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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:34 PM
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Question about motorcycles
How many gallons does the tank hold?

How much money does it typically take to fill it up?

How far can you go before a refill?

How many miles per gallon?

Thanks. :)
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ofrfxsk Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:41 PM
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1. What type of bike are you interested in?
All of the answers really depend on the make and model.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:45 PM
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2. It's bike weekend in Redding
:)

and my mom and I were talking about how we rarely see bikers at the gas station... so what are some averages?
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ofrfxsk Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:49 PM
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4. It really depends
I'd say anywhere from 30 to 70 mpg depending upon how much fun you want to have. :D
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:49 PM
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3. It even varies engine to engine.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-05 08:54 PM by freethought
With V-Twins, those rumbling, loud, Harley types the fuel consumption varies with the displacement of the engine. I think a stock Harley engine on some of the lower-end models is 88 cubic inches. On other models the displacement maybe higher. Some bikers have work done on the engines to hop up the power to over 100 cubic inches. So it varies. I have read about 40 or so mpg on a stock Harley Davidson. On the Japanese road rockets I am not sure, their displacement is measured metricly in cubic centimeters or cc's. Tank size also varies from just a a few gallons, 3-4, to as many 8-10 gals on heavier bikes.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:51 PM
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5. OK
Thanks for the response. :)
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:38 AM
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12. 88 cubic inches??
That's practically the same as my car!! :wtf:
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:37 PM
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25. Yep! That's where it starts.
You can purchase the bikes with larger engine displacement. To 96 cubic inches and higher I believe. There are other makers of V-Twin engines that will take the displacement well up over 100 cubic inches.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:52 PM
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6. check out this link
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:57 PM
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7. Thanks
:)
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:59 PM
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8. Wow! Some these bikes have fuel efficiencies
as high a Prius! Not bad considering. Nearly 50 mpg for a Harley Sportster. Love to get one but I have other priorities.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 09:38 PM
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9. I'd Like to Discourage the Idea of....
buying a bike based solely on the notion of their gas mileage.

I think it is a bad idea to buy a bike because you want to save money on gasoline. You should drive a bike because you want to drive a bike. The ones who get into it to save money will, I believe, give up quickly. Of course, then their low-mileage bikes will be available secondhand dirt cheap, so we do wish to encourage them to buy bikes. I believe your first bike should be secondhand. There is not now, nor will there ever be, a shortage of motorcycles. Prices will not soar in relation to the price of gasoline.

Bikes are not anything like cars. There is no such thing as a carefree trip on a bike. You are **always** on the lookout for danger - an inattentive driver on a cellphone, debris on the road, someone running a stop sign in front of you, an oil slick on the road - anything.

If you intend to get on the road, take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation course first.

Motorcycle Safety Foundation

Here's how it works in Virginia. The introductory "never, ever" course is called the Basic RiderCourse. It is taught at the community colleges. I believe it is taught at community colleges in Maryland and Pennsylvania too. The cost varies from state to state. It may be about $100 in Virginia now. It is not a wise idea to try to save the $100 by having your friend teach you everything he knows. Further, you'll get a break on insurance by having taken the Basic RiderCourse.

You show up on a Friday evening to watch some videos and get some idea of what you'll be doing on the following Saturday and Sunday. On the following, you show up ready to ride - long sleeve shirt, long pants, boots that cover the ankles, and gloves. The motorcycle, helmet, and closed course are provided for you. Bikes are 250s from Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Suzuke, provided via local dealers. Thus is answered the dilemmas of how to learn to ride a bike without owning one, and how to buy a bike without knowing how to drive one.

You learn how to start, stop, steer, and generally how to stay alive on a bike in traffic. The various maneuvers take two days to learn. It is immensely helpful if you already know how to drive a manual transmission. Trying to learn how to shift while trying to learn how to drive a bike is a recipe for disaster.

On the following Friday, you come back to the course, if you so choose, and take the practical portion of the driving test under the watchful eyes of DMV personnel. At that point, if you have passed the written test and the driving test, you pay your extra $1 per year for the motorcycle endorsement on your license and become a licensed motorcycle operator. Then it is up to you to buy a bike.

The courses fill up quickly, but you might be able to walk in at the last minute on a Friday evening and take the place of a no-show. I took the course in April 1987 at Northern Virginia Community College. In July of that year I bought my first bike, a secondhand candy apple red 1982 Yamaha 400. I was a total nervous wreck the first time I went out on a real public road on a motorcycle, but I got over it. A few weeks later, I thought I'd go down to the post office, on the bike of course. The next think I knew I was in West Virginigia. Bikes are like that.

In the US, call the MSF at 800-446-9227.

I have long contended that any guy who goes through life without ever having owned a motorcycle has made a big mistake. I'l like to extend that thought to women as well. There is no reason for them to miss out on all the fun.

Now that I've got that out of the way, I see that my 1987 Kawasaki EX500 has an 18-liter, or 4.5 or so gallon, gas tank. The low-fuel level warning doesn't work, so I have to open the gas cap and shake the bike from side to side to see how much fuel is left. It's a Steve McQueen sort of a thing. I find that when I have accumulated 180 miles on the odometer since the last fill-up, it's time to get nervous. At my last fill-up, I calculated that I was getting 44.7 mpg. This was from mostly city driving. I drive extremely conservatively.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:22 AM
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10. I've got a 1200cc Kawasaki (Ninja) and, commuting,
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 04:26 AM by ForrestGump
I get about 180-200 miles out of a six-gallon tank. On the open road, I get around 245 miles per tank, or about 40 mpg. And that's riding at speeds averaging 90 mph a lot of the time, with an engine the same size as some small cars. Even around town, on local freeways that move really quickly, I'll hit 100-110 mph as a matter of routine. The big gas-eater in town is, as always, stop-and-go traffic. In areas where lane splitting is legal, and when it's safe, you can probably cut down a bit on that if you're being really obsessive.

I agree totally with the points made above, relating to economy being a bad primary motivation for riding a motorcycle. In many places I see people on scooters -- horrible devices, to my mind, far more inherently dangerous than 'normal' (tank between your legs) motorcycles -- who seem to have no appreciation of the fact that they're riding a motorized vehicle that's not just some dinky toy...very dangerous, especially where helmets are not mandated (or not required for scooters and mopeds) and you don't often see scooter riders in gloves and boots, let alone full leathers.

Speaking of leathers, the safety gear needed for riding adds up pretty quickly. Don't drop your helmet, either, or you'll possbly be wanting to buy another for anywhere between $100 and $400 or up. Full-face helemt's the way to go, too. All others are less effective, and don't believe the crap that the anti-helmet f***wits will have you believe about the mythical dangers of a full-face helmet. Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying one of those pathetic little beanies -- 'brain buckets' -- that Harley riders seem to love so much. They're worse than useless and, to top it off, they don't look at all cool...and looking cool is what most harley owners these days seem to be into (and they usually fail quite spectacularly, in more ways than just their goofy-looking plastic yarmulkes).

Bikes can also be expensive to maintain. Harleys are expensive, period, and I'd strongly discourage you from even considering one, unless you're suffering a midlife crisis that demands you pay way too much for too little and then tow it everywhere in a trailer so that you can pose with it at your destination. Other bikes are high-performance machines, much higher-performance than all but a very few prohibitively expensive élite sport cars -- this is true of even small displacement bikes (I wrote something about this here a while ago, but don't have the link) -- and they're often a bit more high-strung than your typical car...mostly, though, bikes of late have tended to be pretty reliable, but when there's something wrong it can cost a bit because of those old supply-demand laws. Also, bikes like mine -- very sleek with full fairings -- can be a nightmare to work on, even for the simple stuff that I used to do myself, because everything's so tightly wrapped. Find a good mechanic, though -- most likely not at a dealer's -- and you can get decent rates and minimize expense on routine servicing.

That higher performance is worth it, though, in terms of economy and the (defensive) thrill ride. Most of us are unlikely to ever otherwise have access to the kind of power that even a small bike provides. I ride my bike as a workhorse commuter, but there is undeniably a magic associated with the times when I go out and move rapidly across the desert landscape, just me, my bike, and a couple of hundred miles of perfectly curved desert highway beneath an endless sky bordered by sere, craggy mountains older than Dick Clark.

Yeah, economy can be a motivation in getting a bike, but you need to be fully aware of the absolute truth that everyone out there wants you dead. Wear a pink jumpsuit and ride an orange bike and people still won't see you. Each and every time you go out there it's not a question of WHETHER you will have to take evasive action to avoid being killed by some dimwit driving (barely, and badly) a car, superfluous SUV, or cell phone, but HOW MANY TIMES you'll have to do so. We take a risk every time we drive anywhere, or walk or -- heck -- even wake up, but few daily transportation activities come with the same degree of risk as riding a motorcycle. Really, though, you can manage most of that risk by being better than the other guy. At that point, though everyones out to get you, the actual risk is a little more sane.

How to get better than the other guy? I did it through experience (no choice, really, though my father passed on good lessons from his long experience) and a natural tendency to be cautious even in the throes of exuberance. I rode a lot off-road before first hitting (literally, unfortunately) the highway years later. Hard to say whether my crashes, all 20 years in the past now, would have been prevented had I taken an MSF course...the worst one, when a driver just about totalled me, couldn't have been. Anyway, such courses weren't around then, where I was, and handling a bike was second nature to me by the time I first rode on a road. If I was starting out as an adult, or if I was just starting as a kid now, I'd not get astride a motorcycle's seat until I'd completed the MSF course. They'll give you a good head start, the benefit of their (and our, collectively) hard-earned experience, and provide a sane and directed context in which you can gain your own experience out on the road. It's a serious matter and not something you should skimp on in terms of effort and devotion -- read about riding, too, but the part that counts most is where the rubber hits the road...the best way to learn, once MSF's got you on the road, is through doing (at full alert, of course, that being the only state of mind a good motorcyclist should have).

Cars are scary, though. Trucks, too. And SUVs, the new threat, are worst of all. I generally take advantage of the bike's superior acceleratory capabilities, when appropriate, and try to stay ahead of every f***er in a motor vehicle...it's safer in front and far away, but you've got to be alert to EVERY little thing, ALL the time. Not just idiots in cars (and other conveyances) but stuff that you haven't had to unduly worry about in a car, like wet or otherwise slick road markings and manhole covers, sand and gravel (lethal stuff, potentially), camber, and prety much anything else that might conspire to come between you and traction (traction between your tires and road) or force you into traction (in a hospital).

One positive side effect is that, if you're a defensive rider (being defensive does not preclude judicious applications of speed and acceleration, necessarily, those attributes and the feeling of wending your way up a canyon being among the bike's prime attractions), you will be a WAY better car driver. You'll look further ahead, anticipate potential situations and responses even in the most innocent of landscapes, and not let the insulation of a car lull you into the shortened and softened view of the outside world that I believe is common to most 'cagers.' if you're a bad rider, or some idiot who can't even handle the bike but insists on doing stunts (or CAN handle the bike but insist on doing stunts in traffic) then you're just a plain f***wit, but if you're a good rider you'll make a far more excellent car pilot than anyone else all things otherwise being equal. I drive cars as if they were motorcycles, within obvious constraints (compared to a bike, trying to pass when in a car can feel disturbingly slow-motion), and it's a good thing.

It builds character, too, does motorcycling. Ask me about riding around the desert, including in traffic jams that even cause my bike to overheat, in black leather from head to toe. And then there's rain, limited ability to carry stuff (you can get pretty inventive here, though), and every other environmental and logistical problem that a car solves. And you're going out? Okay, where are you going to stash your helmet, boots, gloves, and jacket (minimum, and usually fairly expensive, needs for riding if you're sane...leather or mesh pants should also be part of the wardrobe) so that you can change into your going-out clothes, or your work clothes? It's a continual problem, or it can be. I walk around most of the time, when I'm not on foot for the trip, looking like the Terminator. And I refer you again to the effect on such sartorial spendor of temperatures that run 116 F in the shade...

Riding a bike is a far more physically-involving process than sitting in a car's plush, air-conditioned interior. Makes it kind of hard to fall asleep at the wheel. By the same token, if you're exceptionally tired or sick -- problem for me, given that I'm tired most of the time -- you shouldn't ride or should do so within severe constraints. A four-hour drive in a car is nothing; a four-hour ride on a bike is a workout. Well, maybe not if you're on a Gold Wing: those beautiful monsters are more like luxury cars with two wheels missing. Seriously, ride 500 miles on most bikes and you'll be knocked out. No problem in a car. I've often done 1000 miles or more in a car, and come out pretty well...I nearly died (several times through various means but, finally, just from the cumulative effect and hypothermia) and was mostly deaf for two days after I rode from Nevada to Texas one totally insane, memorable day and night (and morning). Don't do that.

Yes, a girl was involved. Don't do that, either.

It's pretty harsh, riding a motorcycle, but there are also advantages -- practical and esthetic/spiritual of being more intimately in touch with the environment. You miss a lot, especially visually and olfactorily, in a car. Yeah, it's potentially more dangerous on a bike, mostly because of car drivers...well, you're more likely to be hurt if you're hit, but your maneuverability and acceleratory reserves, and small size, can also get you OUT of trouble that'd be much worse news in a more ponderous car, that's also a larger target. But perhaps a good summary of what it's like on a bike is that I never used to drive cars for pure pleasure -- not to say that I haven't enjoyed driving, but I never set out with the goal of having no goal -- but I've ridden bikes many thousands of miles, by now, simply for the joy of it. It's a whole other thing.

The MSF courses are an excellent idea. I never took anything like that, because I learned to ride full-size bikes thirty years ago, when I was a little kid, and never got around to taking the course when I got my latest bike. There's always something to learn, though, and MSF offers an advanced course for people like me....there're also courses in how to handle a sport bike on a track, for those who seek absolute mastery of the fine art of scaring themselves sh**less. One day, maybe.

One final thing: American tend to see motorcycles as toys. You've got your car for transport and the bike for fun. A very dangerous attitude, and one that's always greatly offended me. Terrible, terrible view of what a motorcycle is and what it is not. I've been repeatedly hassled by someone close to me because she thinks my riding gear is 'uncool' (come on...black leather is always cool, if not thermally) and she'd always point out other riders who were going around half-naked. Fortunately, I'm her polar opposite in that peer-group pressure, especially when those peers are f***wits destined to eventually bear close resemblance to strawberry jam (the chunky kind), has never affected me and I don't make my choices in protective gear based on what others might be doing. Sick attitudes.

In other countries, motorcycles are accepted widely as a prime means of transport. Make sure you're unAmerican in this respect.

The first thing I usually get asked, especially by young American males, is whether I do wheelies. "Not if I can help it," I tell them. I prefer both wheels on the ground, where they belong, thank you very much. And sometimes when I ride I see groups of the same, giving me that 'wow' look as I ride past and signalling for me to pop a wheelie. F*** off. The sad thing, to me, is that most of these young men express a desire to get a bike soon, most often the 'Gixxer' 750 (Susuki GSXR-750), a very powerfuland lightweight all-out sport bike that also happens to perhaps be the preferred mount of American 'squids' (the current term for brain-dead, underdressed f***wits, when mounted astride a motorcycle).

If you go for it, do the MSF course and take it easy -- you're a target, and the odds are ultimately low that you'll escape unscathed. The trick is to survive the scathings and avoid further ones. Ride carefully. But not too carefully.



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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:05 AM
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16. ForrestGump
Excellent remarks all. If DU ever gets a Motorcycle FAQ page, your post should be a sticky. I sincerely hope that even the lurking Freepers pay attention to what you have said. This goes beyonnd politics.

"... she thinks my riding gear is 'uncool' (come on...black leather is always cool, if not thermally)...."

Let me say this about that:

1952 Vinclent Black Lightning

>>
ARTIST: Richard Thompson
TITLE: 1952 Vincent Black Lightning
Lyrics and Chords


Said Red Molly to James that's a fine motorbike
A girl could feel special on any such like
Said James to Red Molly, well my hat's off to you
It's a Vincent Black Lightning, 1952
And I've seen you at the corners and cafes it seems
Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme
And he pulled her on behind
And down to Box Hill they did ride

/ A - - - D - / - - - - A - / : / E - D A /
/ E - D A - / Bm - D - / - - - - A - - - /

Said James to Red Molly, here's a ring for your right hand
But I'll tell you in earnest I'm a dangerous man
I've fought with the law since I was seventeen
I robbed many a man to get my Vincent machine
Now I'm 21 years, I might make 22
And I don't mind dying, but for the love of you
And if fate should break my stride
Then I'll give you my Vincent to ride

Come down, come down, Red Molly, called Sergeant McRae
For they've taken young James Adie for armed robbery
Shotgun blast hit his chest, left nothing inside
Oh, come down, Red Molly to his dying bedside
When she came to the hospital, there wasn't much left
He was running out of road, he was running out of breath
But he smiled to see her cry
And said I'll give you my Vincent to ride

Says James, in my opinion, there's nothing in this world
Beats a 52 Vincent and a red headed girl
Now Nortons and Indians and Greeveses won't do
They don't have a soul like a Vincent 52
He reached for her hand and he slipped her the keys
He said I've got no further use for these
I see angels on Ariels in leather and chrome
Swooping down from heaven to carry me home
And he gave her one last kiss and died
And he gave her his Vincent to ride
<<

I have tears in my eyes. Seriously. And I'm laughing too.
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:36 AM
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11. I was going to recommend MSF myself, mahatma.
My husband took the Basic Rider Course right after he bought his bike. He has read the David Hough books (Proficient Motorcycling, etc.), that his instructor recommended, from cover to cover several times. And he'll be taking the Experienced Rider Course in a few weeks. He's seriously into safety ... that calms my nerves a bit!

He has a 2003 HD Heritage Softail Classic. It's a beautiful bike. It gets just over 40 mpg. with me on the back. He rides it to work whenever he can. It saves a bundle in gas, but mostly he just likes to ride. It sure gives him a different attitude about the commute!

The gear can add up. We spent several hundred dollars on jackets (summer and winter), gloves, helmets, chaps, and boots. A lot of people down here (FL) ride in shorts, tank tops, and sneakers, no helmet -- NO WAY would we get on the motorcycle dressed like that.

I'd like to get a bike someday. On the other hand, it's sort of nice enjoying the ride while he does all the work. :)
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:52 AM
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15. AirmensMom
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 10:45 AM by mahatmakanejeeves
Your handle leads me to believe you have a son or daughter in the Air Force. If I am not mistaken, military personnel are not permitted to drive a bike on any US military base or installation without having passed the MSF Basic RiderCourse.

Is this so? Anyone?
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:31 AM
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18. Yes, I have a daughter and son-in-law in the Air Force, mahatma.
Neither one rides a motorcycle. My daughter won't even ride with her dad. So I don't know the rules for bikes on military bases. They live in ID and we live in FL, so there's not much chance we'll take the bike up there to find out. It would be a good idea if they required the MSF Basic Rider Course. My husband never stops singing its praises and he's way excited about taking the Experienced Rider Course. He's actually out practicing now. :)
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:49 AM
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19. Mountain Home?
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 10:57 AM by mahatmakanejeeves
Lots of wide-open roads up there.

The "fun" of the experienced rider course is that you get to drop your own bike.

Young, single enlisted guys + bikes = dangerous combination.

Edited to add:

Air Force Safety Center Magazines

Road & Rec

Hey, there's a bike on the cover.
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:05 AM
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21. Yes, Mountain Home.
Too many young, single enlisted guys with bikes. My daughter hates them. It scares her when they zoom past her -- some of them drive REALLY fast. She had a fit when I told her we were getting one. Our son-in-law isn't interested in getting a bike, but he will ride with my husband when he visits. One of the first words our grandson said was "motorcycle" and next came "Harley Davidson." Our daughter has a good sense of humor about that.

Actually, the reason my husband didn't take the ERC earlier is because he didn't want to drop his bike. At least he has engine and saddle bag guards. He did a lot of things wrong in the beginner course and I'm glad he did. The instructor told him that if he did that (whatever the thing was) on that big Harley, he'd be done for. He learned those lessons very well.

I called and made the arrangements for the ERC as a birthday present. Of course, I asked all the usual questions ... then came, "What happens if it rains?" The lady said that would actually be good practice if they had to ride in the rain. Next, I asked, "What if there's lightning?" She answered, "We would reschedule ... this is a SAFETY course, after all!" Silly me.

Thanks for the links! Have you read any of the David Hough books? If so, what do you think of them?
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:16 AM
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22. "Thanks for the links! Have you read any of the David Hough books?"
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 11:19 AM by mahatmakanejeeves
a) de nada
b) no

It sticks in my mind, somehow, that the AF has been particularly strict about the qualifications to ride on base, though I'm sure that all the branches have the same standards. My guess is the AF experienced a series of wrecks where pilots, thinking themselves invincible, proved they were not. A foot was put down, and, as usual, personnel were under that foot.

I don't know if you've been up there, but it's sort of bleak around Mountain Home. When you get up to northern Idaho, around Lake Pend Oreille (I had to look that up), the scenery is off the scale. I drove (in a car) from Lewiston to Lolo Pass, tracing the route of Lewis and Clark. What a beautiful road. It would make a good bicycle trip. That's a long way from Mountain Home.
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:33 AM
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23. I suspect those "invincible" kids behave on base, while under the foot.
Then they get off base and get stupid.

We haven't been up there yet. The kids have only been there since January and SIL was away for 6 months. They were at Eglin and Hurlburt Field before that. It's only 10 hours away from us, but it's a longer bike ride than we were ready to make. We'll end up going to MH sooner or later. I'd love to see the scenery around the lake. We'll let the kids drive us around in their car.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:42 AM
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24. On-base, off-base; didn't matter.
We were stupid all the time.

Yeah, you can look at the scenery, or you can drive the bike. It's hard to do both simultaneously.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 07:52 AM
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13. try a bicycle
they get really good gas mileage
good on calories also

KL
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:09 AM
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17. bicycle
I'm not opposed to them. I own several. But let's say I want to go from northern Virginia to Annapolis to watch Navy lacrosse. Do you think I'm going to take a bicycle? Not going to happen.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:00 AM
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20. Oh, I'm not planning on getting one
My uncle almost ate it on one when he was 18 and I'm scared. :(
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:40 PM
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26. I'll second that! I would love to learn to ride but
I would like to do it safely. One thing is true, you have to be on the look out for others.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 03:03 PM
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28. learn to ride
With the MSF Basic RiderCourse, you can learn to ride without having to own a motorcycle. Later on, if you choose, you can buy a bike.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 10:31 PM
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29. That's why I quit riding...
"...There is no such thing as a carefree trip on a bike. You are **always** on the lookout for danger - an inattentive driver on a cellphone, debris on the road, someone running a stop sign in front of you, an oil slick on the road - anything."

Especially the SUV cargos yakking about NOTHING on their "Friends and Family" toys...

Got tired of arriving at work frazzled every morning, so I quit. After 250,000 miles.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:51 AM
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14. Pretty vague, arent you?
Five.
2 dollars
160 miles
41

There. Hope that was illuminating.
Now, for the specifics....

I had a 1977 HD Electra-Glide.
It held 5 gallons if you drained it dry. It would "go on Reserve" with 1 gallon left, and gas back then was 50 cents a gallon. I'd refill when it went on reserve, usually around 160 miles, and I typically got 41 or so per gallon out of it, but did pull 52 in the desert once.

YMMV....
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 02:00 PM
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27. Been riding for many more years that I care to remember and I think
you should consider something in the 600cc range. Plenty of power, good economy, and the Japanese bikes are very reliable and forgiving of neglect.
That said, some questions;
have you ever ridden before?
what do you expect to from a bike (go fast, girls or guys, pollution, economy,)?
do you live in a warm weather State?
are you the kind of person that will stay aware at all times that you are always a split-second away from disaster?
Can you handle the many morons that will be out to get you?

Answers;
most tanks are 2 - 6 gals
2 - 6 times the cost of a gallon of premium gas
too many variables
20 - 80 mpg

Keep the shiny side up. :smoke:
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