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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:28 PM
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House of Flying Daggers is a better movie than Hero.
True or false?
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:33 PM
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1. False, but they're both really good
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:44 PM
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3. I like them both, too
Although I much prefer HoFD. It has a more linear storyline and I enjoy tragic romances (Hero had one but it was not the main focus). I also liked the music better. :)

Hero was interesting, and the use of color was brilliant, but I felt the disjointed storylines didn't allow us to get to know the characters well enough to sympathize with them. In particular, I felt Sky (I think that was the first assasin's name, the one that Nameless fought at the beginning) was underused.
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:53 PM
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6. Hero was highly dervative
particularly of Rashomon, but I enjoyed the narrative structure and the way it showed the subjectivity of truth--something that is highly relevant in today's world.

I loved HoFD as well, but I thought the last scene in the film was so corny that it ruined it a little bit for me. I was the US premiere, attended by Zhang Yimou and Zhang Ziyi themselves, and the entire jam-packed audience giggled during the ending in the snow.
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:02 PM
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8. Regarding Hero
The more I see it, the more it grows on me - I always catch something new which gives me a lot to think about. House of Flying Daggers is a nice "escape" movie which I enjoy watching after a stressful day. (Heehee - I liked the ending, I'm a bit of a sucker for the sentimental :blush: )
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:44 PM
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4. double post - deleted
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 09:44 PM by SocratesInSpirit
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:40 PM
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2. i haven't see HoFD
but I say, Hero is better.
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:49 PM
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5. No fair!
:P
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LeftyDarthBrodie Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:00 PM
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7. Both interesting beautiful movies
but I prefer HoFD more because you felt more for the characters due to the linear storyline. I think Hero was trying to be more than it needed to be a good movie.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:03 PM
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9. ture...
if reminiscent of crouching tiger somehow :shrug:
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:34 PM
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10. I think Hero is more powerful
if somewhat more abstract.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:52 PM
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11. They all become one slo-mo kung fu fight for me with lots of cool
stacked furniture getting destroyed. Will say one thing... the girls always make my heart skip a beat. So gorgeous.
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 05:44 PM
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12. yes they are gorgeous
and the guys can be pretty hot too....the actor who played Jin is like the Chinese/Japanese Orlando Bloom. :loveya:

Regarding the kung fu stuff, I had a hard time buying that Mei was blind, even though in Wuxia movies the laws of physics are often bent or repealed completely...so I wasn't all that surprised when it turned out she wasn't actually blind.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:03 PM
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13. True--for two reasons
1. HOFD is home to one of the most beautiful love stories in all of cinema (the meadow scene, wherein Wind collects flowers for his beloved, had this guy in tears).

2. HOFD encourages individualism (both warring factions, you might recall, were corrupt); "Hero," on the other hand, is of a faintly totalitarian persuasion.
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:08 PM
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14. Well said!
:applause:

I'm glad there's one person who doesn't roll their eyes over the love story...I enjoyed the meadow scene too. I was also pleasantly surprised at the way the love story ended...I was expecting as per usual in movies like this that Jin and Mei would end their relationship in keeping with "the greater good." So even though they all died (or were about to die), the glass is still half full!
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:32 PM
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16. Romances of the fantastical kind are my favorite
"Beauty and the Beast" (Cocteau and Disney versions, both), "Wings of Desire," "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon."

In fact, my most depressing movie experience was "Attack of the Clones." I had longed to see Dante and Beatrice in space, and got "Dawson's Creek" instead.
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:34 PM
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18. Agreed...
I was expecting much better with Padme and Anakin but the dialogue was so bad it makes me laugh and cringe whenever I see AotC. I must say, though, the scene in Revenge of the Sith where Anakin turns against Padme was decent, it was almost exactly the way I had imagined it.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:45 PM
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20. Thankfully, the (truncated) love story in ROTS got the job done
One such scene, in which Anakin and Padme reach out to each other from across the capital, is one of the series' finest.

I can't prove this, but I think the artistic success of the LOTR films put a fire under Lucas's ass.


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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:01 PM
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24. I'm glad SOMETHING inspired Lucas...
the Padme/Anakin romance was much improved...although lines like "hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo" made me giggle.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:12 PM
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15. Agreed.
I'm such a sucker for a good love story.
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:34 PM
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17. I prefer Hero
But both are really good! Hero was so beautiful and colorful and well-acted, I think it was more effective than Daggers.
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:54 PM
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22. Effective in what way?
Plot cohesion? Believability? Characterization? Overall story? I'm interested in hearing more. :)
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:40 PM
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19. For me those movies are about beautiful actors and great production
The plots are always a bit cheesy and loopy. At least one person has to say "You killed my father, and thought I was secretly posing as a soldier of x, but really I am a covert supporter of y and have led you into my trap" &c during the course of the film. They're brilliantly made and a lot of fun though.
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:49 PM
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21. Heehee
I am somewhat new to the genre and so spent most of the movie yelling at Mei not to trust Jin and expressing the opinion to my husband that Jin was a "douchebag" so the twist threw me off completely. :rofl:

Leo still pisses me off, though. :mad: His attempted rape of Mei (I know, Jin tried to rape her too but he was drunk, and when she told him to stop later he did, unlike Leo who kept on going) and dagger to the heart destroyed any sympathy I would have had for him.

The aerial ballet-style fighting took some getting used to, but now I'm a big fan and I am always on the lookout for a good Wuxia movie.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:56 PM
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23. False, it kind of bored me
I liked Hero better. I liked the story line and the use of color.
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