Favorite Fowl?

[Chicago Democrat]

to eat for dinner...

[Moochy]

1. A Pesto-Quail Smoothie for me!!

when you are in a hurry and need some basil flavored nut and quail drink!

[flvegan]

2. Tofurkey.

Cuz, well, you know...

[PittPoliSci]

12. I've never had it...

but i heard it tastes like chemicals and grass. true or false?

[flvegan]

17. I don't know.

I've never eaten chemicals and grass. However, Tofurkey tastes very good. Like turkey, but a little different. The stuffing rocks, though.

[PittPoliSci]

51. i will have to try it then.

i was going to anyway. oh well, i'll let you know what i think when i get it.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

3. Tofurkey or Chik Patties

The only feathered bodies in my abode are quite alive & not to be eaten for dinner.

[hobbit709]

4. As Jay Leno said once

"Why do all the vegetarians want their food to look like meat?
You don't see the carnivores cutting up their meat to look like broccoli."

[Kali]

5. ha

:toast:

[trof]

6. touche'

[flvegan]

18. That's a very good point!

I guess that it's because meat does taste good. Hell, I ate meat for 25 or 26 years. Also, if it looks the role, it's probably easier to accept. However, having realized the bs I've been fed for that same amount of time, as much as I can...
I refuse to be a part of the cruelty to those animals;
I refuse to be a part of the elimination of the Amazon;
I refuse to be a part of famine;
I refuse to destroy the environments of small towns, ruined by animal agriculture;
I refuse to be a part of wiping out ecosystems;
I choose to leave a smaller footprint.

So, as a veg, I get the great taste AND the health benefits, the conscious benefits and the karmic benefits of a more compassionate diet.

I also don't put a lot of cred in the judgment of a man that drives a Lamborghini getting 6 mpg. That's just me.

[smbolisnch]

21. Exactly.

Very well said flvegan. :applause:
And since when is Jay Leno an authority on anything at DU?

[flvegan]

22. Since he pushed for Ah-nold and emceed his victory party?

Oh, wait...Arnold is a Republican. My bad.

[smbolisnch]

23. As long as he is bashing vegetarians

he could be riding bikes with Bush and he'd be cool around here. :eyes:

[flvegan]

24. At least Jay can ride a bike. He's a Harley nut, and Bush

runs his bike into the nuts of others. "Sorry, officer."

It's hard work (riding a bike, that is). Wow, I just had a really bad thought...imagine Bush on a Harley. Oh, God...

[Kali]

52. Might want to look into impacts of soy farming.

Lots of small family farms raising healthy even organic livestock on healthy land right here in this country - probably even in your state.

You can still enjoy animal protein without being detrimental to the planet, while helping to preserve open space and small family agriculture.

[friesianrider]

26. Because who knows a good diet better than Jay Leno!

Boy, maybe we should run him for President - he sounds smart. :eyes:

[xchrom]

7. i can't decide?!?!?!

duck or chicken, what about capon?

[Chicago Democrat]

30. Capon is a rooster whose balls are removed when young

which makes it

nonviolent and fatter...

they are delicious, best from Amish people in Ohio

[trof]

8. I really like chicken, but voted "duck".

Day in, day out it's chicken.
But I really do love a well roasted duck.

[Rabrrrrrr]

9. I chose duck, but a well done pheasant is incredible

But I really, really love duck. Oh, God, do I love duck!

I was just at a Chinese place in Cleveland last week and a dish made of duck breast that was FUCKING INCREDIBLE.

[Chicago Democrat]

15. Did you know that duck fat is more similar to olive oil than other

meat fats? Its low in saturated fat and actually healthy to eat.

As for pheasant, I had a wonderful version at that glass restaurant in Central Park... oh yeah Tavern on the Green.

Never been able to match the tenderness of that version.... Its a hard one to get right. The meat gets tough very quickly.

[tibbir]

10. Turkey - I'm really getting tired of chicken.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

11. Pigeon can be very good - cooked with green peas and onions

In French cooking and in Chinese there are great recipes for pigeon.

But duck smothered with olives, braised in olive oil, with bacon and spices is fantastic. There are recipes for it from throughout the Mediterranean. Duck a l'orange is also wonderful.

And there's an entire category of French cooking based on goose fat that is out of this world, like the dish they call Cassoulet, with white beans and pork sausages.

[Chicago Democrat]

13. Yes! Mourning Doves too...

all white breast meat, tender..

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

16. I've never tried that but it must be good

Pigeon I know is hard to cook right, because it's meat can be like rubber if you don't know what you're doing. Good chefs are almost expert chemists in the kitchen.

[DemGirl7]

14. Chicken is my fave

but turkey is a very close second. When it comes Poultry as a group is my fave kind meat...and I love the skin even more.

[tedoll78]

19. I could live on chicken..

fry 'em, roast 'em, make a pot pie outta 'em, nugget 'em, put 'em atop a salad, let 'em roam your garden and eat bugs.. chickens ROCK!

[WCGreen]

20. That is a fair question my friend...

I prefer Chicken.....

[friesianrider]

25. My favorite fowl: FAKE!

Morningstar Farms Parmesan Ranch Chik'n.

Save an animal and do something good for your health and the environment :)

[bertha katzenengel]

27. "Other" doesn't cover it because "NO MEAT" isn't a fowl

or any other kind of creature with a heartbeat, a brain, two eyes, capable of locomotion . . . .

But apparently, that's just me.

[Chicago Democrat]

28. I'm sorry for killing

I honesty ask forgiveness to the animal I'm about to eat. I swear I just can't eat other foods exclusively, I've tried. I'm like a vampire that way and I guess it does make you better than me. I try to buy organically fed, free range, and unmolested animals killed in the most humane way and pay alot more for it.

I would ask your indulgence this life until perhaps I'm more evolved.

[flvegan]

32. Whoa, wait a minute here...

Nobody is "better" than anybody else.

As one of those "holier than thou" vegans, I appreciate that you not only realize what your diet entails, I also appreciate that you try to purchase a more humane alternative to our factory farms (organic, free-range, etc). Not that what I say/think matters, I just wanted to make that statement.

[Chicago Democrat]

34. I can't become a vegan, maybe that's why I will not attain enlightenment

this time.

I'll never know. I admire those who can do without what I regard as a treasure of this earth that i can't seem to forgoe. As a Buddhist I am often put to shame by how far my life is from my ideal. Life for me is a series of endless comprimises and disappointments. Looking up to people for certain attributes is healthy or maybe it isn't, but in this case I think it is.

Humanity evolved to domesticate animals. Thus a myriad of diseases and also immunity to diseases were unleashed. Furthermore for me to live animals die. I am part of a certain culture and time, my family ate meat and I grew up in the town that had the first McDonalds. So anyway for me to give up cheeseburgers for ethical reasons is quite a sacrifice. I mean I already have taken spiritual vows against certain things like certain drugs.

sory a bit long

[flvegan]

42. Are you bodhisattva?

Good conversation. Not confrontation. You'll get no ugliness from me.

[bertha katzenengel]

33. "I guess it does make you better than me."

Where did I say I was better than you?

Where did I IMPLY I was better than you?

My opinion is that for me (see where I wrote "that's just me"??) NO FOWL is right.

I've been at this vegetarian thing for three weeks, child, and it is a picnic -- until I run up against people who can't handle it. Had one at work the other day and now one here.

I think the lounge should have a disclaimer: "Vegetarians/Vegans - do not reveal yourselves here."

[Chicago Democrat]

35. I meant it as a compliment

sorry

[bertha katzenengel]

36. It sure didn't sound that way

and I confess I am feeling particularly raw tonight. Just got done watching "Supersize Me," and knowing that film has some excellent information, and knowing the bush admin doesn't give a SHIT . . . I'm really angry.

So. I apologize for jumping all over you.

But for the record and for everyone else, although I've only been at this for three weeks I think I can say that vegs don't think they're superior to meat eaters. Healthier, maybe. ;)

[Chicago Democrat]

39. Not killing animals is excellent karma...

Animals are life.
They are less evolved..
Buddist believe that all life is the same and evolves up or down. So cows are less than dogs and dogs are less than monkey.. Or more accurately a dog can become a monkey if its luckey..

So by not killign a chicken maybe that chicken will save the universe in 1000 years when it becomes a Buddha

[bertha katzenengel]

40. That's similar to an argument anti-choice religious fundamentalists use

"What if that baby you're aborting knows the cure for cancer?!"

But certainly, one can't draw an analogy between Buddhists and FECs.

I'm not disciplined enough to be a Buddhist, BTW. I can't even bring myself to complete the slimmest tome about the basics. :(

[Chicago Democrat]

44. For a chicken to become a Buddah would take many lives

and be as likely as a golden yolk floating on the ocean to intercept a turtle that surfaces every 1000 years for a breath.

[flvegan]

47. Actually, that's not the case, I don't think

A chicken is closer to enlightenment than the average bodhi. A chicken already lacks ego, lacks self. Additionally, a chicken would likely not be looking to become a buddha. Why is that?

[Chicago Democrat]

49. Ok this is funny.. Chickens as very very very very dumb..

so for a chicken to become a buddah, I think it would at least have to become human. for it to become a human, it would have to have done something really good Karmically. So ok.. a chicken crosses the road and scares a truck full of Al Q!ueada terrerists with bombs and they crash and dies. That chickfen would get a great benefit and the choice of lives to live...

So that's how a chicken might attain enlightenment.

[flvegan]

50. Good luck on your quest.

It's a long road. Made longer by thinking that one must be human to "attain enlightenment" as it's a relative term.

[Chicago Democrat]

38. There was a cool religion I wanted to explore, but you had to be

vegan. So I couldn't join. It was a bit of a drag.

Also I'm a Tibetan Buddhist. Tibet is a snowy country and people eat meat there. So anyway some monks give up meat. Its like a very great sacrifice in tibet since theres little non meat things to eat. Mostly Yak Butter. (gross) not even vegan.

So I associate veganism with a religious sacrifice, so a little envious.

[bertha katzenengel]

41. Don't be jealous. I wouldn't even have the nerve to TRY

Yak butter. :7

I haven't told my eldest sister yet, close as we are. To her, everything I do is a fad. She still expects me to "move home" -- after five years, after I've bought a house . . . :eyes: I guess some broken hearts heal more slowly than others.

[friesianrider]

37. It is tough at first, Chicago Dem.

It was for me - I ate meat for 18 years before becoming a veg.

The adjustment period is tough, but gets easier pretty quickly and after that you won't even have the desire for meat anymore (coming from someone who used to loooove steak, chicken cutlets, etc).

You should definitely give it a shot again! :) There's so many awesome veggie foods out there, I've really hardly missed meat. I also find myself experimenting making all kinds of yummy vegetarian dishes. It really is much, much better for your health and the environment. :hi:

[Floogeldy]

29. Well, since the Do Do Bird is extinct . . .

. . . You know, according to those who wrote about the birds when they existed on the planet, they were the far superior dining fowl. Better than turkey, chicken and goose. But we will never, ever, ever, never, never, ever have the opportunity to taste the infamous Do Do Bird.

Unless of course, they can be revived through DNA science which, I presume, is doubtful, at best.

For these reasons, I refuse to participate in this discussion.

In protest,

Floog

:cry:

[Chicago Democrat]

31. Do-Do! Tragic stupid sailors!

Should have been domesticated... but stupid sailors.

[Floogeldy]

43. Yes, you are correct.

Mankind's stupidity, or God's naivety.

:(

[Chicago Democrat]

45. Thus the danger of tasting too good! Oh poor Caspian Beluga Caviar

producing ancient paddlefish.

[sleipnir]

46. Personal Foul

[Chicago Democrat]

48. Best Chicken in World: White Fence Farm

Even better than Harolds. Better than Browns. Why?

They shake the oil out of the chicken. Violently smash the oil basket down and thus remove alot of fat. The result is the best Southern Fried Chicken north of the Mason Dixon line.

Bad News: Owned by Robert Hastert, Dennis Hastert's brother. Oh well. Politics should never get in the way of the best food on earth.