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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:19 PM
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Ghosts.
Do you believe in them?

Share your favourite stories and pictures.

My cousin was told by my grandmother that our family shouldn't argue and quarrel so much about her funeral. Oh by the way, she had been dead for almost a week at the time.

Here's my favourite picture:



The Raynham Hall ghost, also known as The Brown Lady. Probably one of the more famous ghostpictures, probably because no expert has been able to debunk it as being fake or manufactured in some way.

My favourite :)

PS: Please reccomend to keep this thread alive. No pun intended ;)
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:21 PM
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1. A ghost cleverly disguised as a red X. Who can argue with that?
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:22 PM
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3. Right click on it
And click "view image".
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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:22 PM
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4. Really? Works fine here.

Try this:

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:59 PM
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20. Works there. Though frankly
I can't see why any expert would bother debunking it. Not very ghosty-looking. More dirty lense- or glare-looking.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:25 PM
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32. woooooo!
scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrry!!!!
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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:21 PM
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2. My sister
was taking pictures at a revolutionary era church and graveyard. A picture of the inside of the church revealed the back of a young girl's head with ribbons seated in one of the pews.
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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:22 PM
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5. Ooh, got a scan of that? nt
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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:24 PM
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6. Not on the internet, sadly.
It's really creepy though, even my skeptic mother thinks it's interesting.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:33 PM
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7. Tolomoto Cemetary in the Oldest City


This was taken by a tourist on a night time walking tour.
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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:36 PM
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9. could be a firefly very close to the camera.
Seems to be a lot of them there.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:30 PM
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33. Not fireflies. There are very few fireflies in this part of the country.
They are called "orbs" although some call them "spirit balls".

Here's a better photo of them. Check out the one behind the lamp just above the man's head on the left. It is bigger than the others in the photo.



Another one here is seen just inside the fence.



And just inside the city gates. If there were that many fireflies around, I doubt that those children would have been so intent on the tour guide...



There have been quite a few similar photos submitted by different people from all over the country.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:36 PM
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8. Alas
Lack of being able to debunk something does not equal that it's real. The onus is on the believers to prove this ghost exists - not for skeptics to prove it does not - and a photograph isn't proof enough. It's quite possible there was no tampering, and it's a simple light effect.

I can't prove Santa Claus doesn't exist. It's very hard/impossible to prove a negative. However, if someone were to bring forth a fat, bearded man surrounded by eleves in a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer then there's the proof.

TlalocW
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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:39 PM
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11. I couldn't agree with you more, BUT

Ghost pictures are usually extremely easy to debunk so when one like this has all experts baffled turns up, it's very unusual.

Anyway, that's not the point. Maybe it's all make-believe, but why not let it? It's all about the stories and the wonderful tinkly feeling at the back of your neck anyway. It's about stories around the campfire, not scientific evaluation and statistics.

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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:53 PM
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16. I believe the opposite
I think that with the amount of evidence and also personal experiences with metaphysics that is out there, it is the positive and the non-believers have the burden of proof to show the believers that they are wrong.
The documentation of "ghosts" have been around much longer than "science" and science was basically started to disprove the existence of things that weren't understood, but were believed in. Science has yet to prove that there are no such things as spirits, ghosts, an afterlife or anything like that.
In my experiences, I have witnessed things that people are skeptical about, but I feel no need to prove anything to anyone. But if someone says I am wrong, I want them to prove to me I am wrong. By simply stating "I don't believe you", I don't believe that to be proof I am wrong in what I experience.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:39 PM
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10. When I first got my license
every few times I would be out driving at night I would glance in my rearview mirror and see a silouette of a humanlike shape. Then I would look again and it would be gone. It happened about 10 times or so, then never again. I can't say it was a ghost, but who knows :shrug:
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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:42 PM
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13. Wait, is this you?
:)

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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:50 PM
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15. Hey, where'd you get that pic of me?!?
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 01:51 PM by mutley_r_us
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:57 PM
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17. you mean inside or outside your car?
outside i would just shake it off and go on, but inside the car would freak me the fuck out. lol.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:58 PM
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Inside, while I was driving. Usually on the highway.
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:00 PM
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21. damn
:scared: id have a freakin heart attack if i saw somone in my back seat from my rearview when i know for a fact that i was the only one in the car.

and if it was when i first got the liscence, hell you can bet id give it up and wouldnt drive much after that.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:05 PM
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24. It wasn't in the backseat.
:scared: I probably would have crashed!

It was on the side of the road. It looked like a man just standing there watching my car. I never actually saw it directly but only through the rear view mirror.
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:06 PM
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25. ooh ok.
that still woulda freaked me out.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:11 PM
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26. Oh. Yeah, when I answered your question I thought you meant
was I inside or outside the car. :D
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:42 PM
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12. My son's apartment
He just moved to a new one but at his old apartment a kid had been killed by some drug dealers the year before. Weird things kept happening. Strange sounds coming from the stereo speakers when the stereo was off. A video they shot showed what looked like a pool of blood in the living room.
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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:43 PM
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14. Eew. Nothing like a pool of kids-blood to boost the ol marketvalue. NT
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SouthoftheBorderPaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:58 PM
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18. one time, in space
I saw a ghost:

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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:58 PM
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19. you can see him
coast to coast.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:24 PM
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30. University leased housing
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:04 PM
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23. Shades of "White Noise"
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:23 PM
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28. He was too freaked out to go see that movie
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:23 PM
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29. Not that scary, really. I'd be more freaked out if I left
a tape recorder running overnight and actually received a message!
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:03 PM
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22. Not really, no
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 02:04 PM by primate1
Most hauntings can easily be explained by natural phenomena (low frequency sound and such; I can get you links and stuff if you're interested).

I've always been interested in ghost stories and stuff though. Love that shit.

Now the ghosts in Silent Hill 4, those things are goddamn relelntless. Quite frustrating when your health is almost gone and you have three ghosts chasing you.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:14 PM
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27. Ghosts Are Bullshit
Did anyone see the recent Penn & Teller show about ghosthunters and ghostchasers? As always, it was entertaining and informative! That's a great show!

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:25 PM
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31. So what does happen to all the energy encapsulated in a dynig body?
That's the age-old question, innit?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:32 PM
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34. What Energy Are You Talking About?
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 02:49 PM by arwalden
You'll have a difficult time in convincing me that any energy is "encapusulated" in anyone's body. In order to answer your question one must assume your "facts" which are not yet proved. First things first. Describe for me what TYPE of "encapsulated energy" you're talking about, then show me where it's "encapsulated"... and if I'm convinced, then perhaps we can figure out where it "goes".
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