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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:20 AM
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Teen, (17!!), Not Allowed To Wear His MARINE Dress Uniform To Graduation
Edited on Thu May-19-05 10:21 AM by matcom
on edit: exactly HOW does one go through BOOT CAMP at the same time going to HIGH SCHOOL???

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SAN DIEGO — Steven Kiernan, 17, has two dreams: One is to become a Marine, and the other is to wear his Marine dress-blue uniform to his high school graduation.

Kiernan is close to achieving the first. He has finished all but the final days of the grueling 12-week boot camp in San Diego.

But his goal of wearing his uniform to Petaluma High School's graduation on June 11 appears thwarted.

The principal of the Northern California school notified Kiernan's parents that school rules require that all graduates wear the traditional cap and gown.

Jim Kiernan, Steven's father, plans to appeal the decision to the Petaluma school board at its meeting Tuesday.

"The Marine Corps has traditions, but I guess the school district has traditions too, and the different traditions have collided," he said in a telephone interview.

Jim Kiernan, who works for a vineyard management company, said he was not so much angered by the decision as he was puzzled. Other graduates, he said, will be honored for their achievements, by wearing adornments on their caps or having their names read aloud.

"Finishing boot camp is my son's achievement, and I think he deserves to be honored too," Jim Kiernan said. He's a member of another school board in Sonoma County and says he knows that school boards can overrule principals.

In similar cases this spring involving young Marines returning to their high school graduations in Illinois and Wisconsin, school officials lifted the no-uniforms rule.

Steven finished his course work early at Petaluma High so he could start boot camp. His parents, somewhat reluctantly, signed his enlistment papers.

Principal Mike Simpson said he sympathized with Steven and respects his decision to enlist. Simpson's father was a Marine who saw combat in World War II.

Still, Simpson said, rules are rules.

"The intent of a graduation ceremony is not to individualize, but to show that all the graduates are part of the same class," he said. "If we do differentiate, it's because of academic achievements."

The phone call last week to the Kiernans, after hearing of Steven's desire to wear his dress blues, was not easy to make, Simpson said. He said he remembers talking to Steven when he was taking a metal shop class. The youth was wearing a Marine T-shirt, Simpson said.

"He's a great kid, and we're all proud of him," Simpson said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/la-me-grad19may19,0,202776,print.story
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:24 AM
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1. Bootcamp must be slipping
DI: "Discipline is?"
Platoon: "Sir, Discipline is; Instant, willful obedience to order, and respect for authority, Sir!"

It's the rules, bucky, deal with it. It'll prepare you for the next 180 weeks of F'in in the A you're about to get.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:26 AM
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2. solution:
Wear high school graduation robes to high school graduation, and wear Marine dress uniform to Marine graduation (if there is such a thing).

:dunce:

A person doesn't have to distinguish himself from the crowd all the damn time...
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:30 AM
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7. Marine dress uniform to Marine graduation (if there is such a thing).
Yes there is.
And he wouldn't be allowed to wear a cap and gown there.

I don't know what him and his father are thinking.

I am a little curious how he managed to graduate from boot camp before high school.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:31 AM
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8. There is such a thing
second happiest damn day of my life.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:36 AM
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11. What was the first? :^)
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:39 AM
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14. Getting the hell back out!
:D
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:42 AM
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15. I thought that might be it. *g*
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:26 AM
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3. He probably finished course work a semester early.
:shrug:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:26 AM
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4. and to answer your edit question
There's a program where you can rush your senior year and ship off as soon as you Graduate *it gives the Marines a chance to show off the effect the Dress Blues have on the girls hoping that more dudes will sign up* - there was also at one point a program where you could go through bootcamp during summer vacation between junior and senior years, attend your senior year as a jarhead and then ship off to further training.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:35 AM
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10. That's what I thought
I don't know if it is new but with recruiting being what it is (3,821 in April TOTAL) they are probably becoming very flexible on this.

He might also have finished school early and is just walking with his class or he got a special waiver from school to go to basic and then come back.

Either way it sounds a bit stupid not to let him wear the uniform. IMHO
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:27 AM
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5. The kid isn't graduating from Marine bootcamp on June 11
He's graduating from high school. He wouldn't wear his high school cap and gown to any Marine graduation ceremony, why would he think he can have it the other way around?

TlalocW
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:29 AM
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6. I've heard of people who go through bootcamp during summer vacation
so, I guess this is what this boy did. What a way to spend your last summer vacation before post-high school reality!
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:32 AM
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9. I would let him wear it under his gown
and take the gown off as soon as the ceremony is over. I suppose the young Marine has a problem with that ... but it seems fair to me.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:38 AM
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12. 17??? But, unless you kill someone, you're not legally an adult
according to most laws.

Of course, if you're a Republican, time is irrelevent.

You can have Youthful indiscretions when you're older than Bill Clinton was when he was impeached.

You can make "youthful mistakes" well into your 40s (* included).

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:39 AM
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13. it does not say that he cannot wear his uniform
only that he has to wear a cap and gown over it. There is nothing that says he can't wear a Marine Corps pin on his gown or hat, toget the recognition he so desperatly craves.

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