What if we attached the 'flux capacitor' to a gas pump?

[Richard Steele]

(Inspired by DUer MissWaverly)

[Huckebein the Raven]

1. We need the technology from Back to the Future 2

Cars that run on garbage

:D

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. ROTFL!!

I love it!!

[Deja Q]

3. Sorry, i'll stick to GD for such discussions.

[Rabrrrrrr]

4. A cogent, thoughtful analysis, and I think you're right

Though I'd also add in that the current administration are almost all oil people, so they have less incentive to try to keep the cost down.

But yeah, I think the biggest problem is America's fucking ADDICTION to oil. We're sick about it. And we'll kill anyone to get more.

We're total oil junkies.

[Deja Q]

5. Excellent point of yours too, the current admin is full of oil lackeys.

Thanks for the good word. I expected to get flamed and called 'freeper' by many so I deleted it out of cowarice...

Here's my original post put back:

I'll admit *'s actions in the ME have hastened the decline of our empire thanks to so-called "insurgents" blowing up pipelines and their own oil wells, but the issue of oil has gone back over 25 years and all who were complacent or actively engaged in decisions that adversely affected (increased) our need for cheap oil are equally to blame. I see only one name up there deserving of any respect. And he, go figure, is on the LEFT.

And it's not just presidents, it's corporations - who have the money and power to get everything they want. Well, they got it. And we're about to get it.

Diclaimer: It's :tinfoilhat: time.

Never mind external influences. Clinton may be respected for $1.26/gal (whatever, I'd rather see usage drop more than price; the former leading to the latter because of our "supply and demand" edict) but did anybody stop to consider the possibility the Saudis kept prices artifically low during the late 80s/90s so we'd use more and more and ultimately strangle ourselves like we're about to have done? Oh, I'm sure they knew. OPEC crippled us in the 1970s with high oil prices, who said they changed their minds and loved us since the end of the embargo? Why not set up a situation that would destroy our economy completely? (like how a drug dealer gives out free samples, slowly raises the price as you continue to get addicted, and them WHAMMO once demand grows beyond supply.)

Witness:

1. Corporate america drives the need for oil and gas. Our improperly devised transport system is another core issue too. Sorry, but Carter was the last president that wasn't so biased towards corporations (DMCA, NAFTA, all done by Clinton. Reagan dropped all sorts of programs, claiming "obsolescence" - with lawmakers and the public brainlessly agreeing with president brainless.)

2. Supply is limited. It is up to governments or at least those in power to be frigging RESPONSIBLE and to find and use ALTERNATIVES, based on societal survival and not fuckin' GREED and PROFITABILITY as determining factors. Once again, Reagan gets the finger here. And like another DUer told me (another multi-thousand DUer who donates, so neither of us a freeper - sorry), when the gas prices go up, the administration CURRENTLY in power gets trashed; the ones behind merrily overlooked. That's partly unfair as anyone bothering to look will notice that Carter was the final President to do ANYTHING about trying to resolve our unending thirst for oil. Every prezzy since has deregulated and/or demolished laws and initiatives to find and use alternative energy sources. Reagan being the first and most noteworthy; he was an idiot for doing so and the public idiots for BELIEVEING in him. (Now I'll admit, President Clinton may have done something to improve on the oil problem, but I haven't heard about it and I can't be everywhere at once. But I recall #3 easily enough, which the repukes WILL use at some point, you can bet your sweet bippy - remember, no good deed goes unpunished:)

3. 9/11 terrorists - a lot of them Saudis, weren't they? Probably wanted to hasten our demise. If oil still exists, find a way to make them need and use more oil. Well, they did it. If that's actually reality and not a cool sci-fi storyline.

4. President Clinton removed the national 55MPH speed limit; states promptly raised speed limits to 60, 65, 70MPH or more! It's also known that a typical car engine peaks at ~35MPH and that 65MPH uses 15% more gas than 55MPH, which was why 55MPH was deemed the MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT when that federal law was passed in 1974 (or 1973?). This is a fact, a factor, and it can't be avoided.

Sorry to focus on Clinton, which is VERY UNFAIR as the whole situation stems from (a) US oil peaking by 1973 (which led to OPEC's powerplay against us) and (b) the political and business decisions starting with Reagan's time and halted by NOBODY that has caused the gigantic mess we are in. And (c) foreign issues, but they're not Americans so they really have no point of view. (which we know is wrong but that's what everyone in power in the US must have thought.)

But back to the pic, we need facts - not petty propaganda like that above. No propaganda from EITHER side and both seem to shovel it royally. Two sides on one coin. And the coin is worthless to all of us pawns in their game of chess. For pawns are the first to be sacrificed. Kerry had offered more ideas than Bush (who had nothing to say except for petty insults that a lot of the people didn't seem to put on their "high priority" list) and I'm appalled more people didn't bother to listen. Oil doesn't grow on trees, it does not magically form from thin air, much how drinking water doesn't either.

[Richard Steele]

6. WOW! I never expected such silliness to inspire actual DISCUSSION.

And I don't think that anything you said requires a :tinfoilhat: