If the Church was trying to bring me back, well THEY FAILED!!!

[rene moon]

I was hoping they would go more progressive and pick a Latin American or African Pope. Instead, they pick this guy, Mr. Conservative Ex-Nazi.

I am sooooooooo disappointed.

Good thing there's the Virgin Mary, otherwise I wouldn't care about the Church at all.


On Edit: Ok, Hitler Youth, not nazi---still, he's way more conservataive than JPII---it sucks

[matcom]

1. nevermind

not worth it

[rene moon]

3. Bite me

:mad:

[chickenscratching]

8. please please

say what you were going to say

[Bouncy Ball]

10. ACK! No!

If matcom deletes something of his, you can bet it probably needed to be deleted.

Trust the man's judgement. :hi:

[chickenscratching]

12. i know i know

i just like a little excitment

[matcom]

11. ok. here it is in full throttle

"the church has FINALLY left me" (and other such quotes)

really?

so you were WITH them when they told women they were second class citizens?

so you were WITH them when they preached AGAINST birth control?

so you were WITH them when they hid sex offenders (against CHILDREN) who should have been thrown in jail?

so you were WITH them when as women, they told you you had NO RIGHT to your own body?

so, now they elect a Nazi and THAT is what it took to make you throw your arms up?

:eyes:

[chickenscratching]

13. thanks matcom

we need more bluntness around these parts.

[VelmaD]

16. hey matcom...

I know we fight sometimes, but you make posts like that I wanta have your lovechild. :loveya:

[rene moon]

37. NO, I left the Church a looooonggg time ago

I left when after my confirmation at 16. And it looks like they will never bring me back. Their loss.

[Pawel K]

41. So many distortions, where should I start

I am getting tired of responding to about 100 Pope posts today (I seem to be the only one defending religion here which is sad but whatever) so here is another one.

"so you were WITH them when they told women they were second class citizens?"

Really, I don't recall them saying this? I remember John Pope II fighting for their rights, maybe you can find me some sources. Unless of course you are reffering to the 2,000 year old tradition of men preists and women nuns. Yeah, what bastards for not changing tradition that has been with the church since the beginning. You must also forget that people can always seperate from that belief and start their own sect.

"so you were WITH them when they preached AGAINST birth control?"

I disagree with this preaching and I DO use birth control; however, I highly doubt anyone in this world doesn't use a condom and then their excuse is my religion said I shouldn't. I think our population would be unmanagable if this were the case.

"so you were WITH them when they hid sex offenders (against CHILDREN) who should have been thrown in jail?"

Yeah this problem which was mostly in the US with Cardinal Law. I might also add that the ratio of sexual abuse in the Catholic church isn't any greater than any other church. I'm also not sure if you are saying the pope hid these people as he came out very strongly against what was happening (mostly in the US).

http://www.telegram.com/static/crisisinthechurch/072902.html

"so you were WITH them when as women, they told you you had NO RIGHT to your own body?"

No, they said that abortion is against the catholic religion and they are right; if you don't like this fine, get a different religion.

"so, now they elect a Nazi and THAT is what it took to make you throw your arms up?"

You are a bigot. No they did not elect a Nazi, read up on some facts before you try to slander someone simply because you disagree. I said this to others, you are no better than a stinky ass republican when you do this.

[Pawel K]

2. Ex nazi, another load of bullshit coming from someone who doesn't like

religion.

What makes you think they give a shit about you. With their 1.1 billion members they can careless what some Americans think. And again, read up before you say ex-nazi which is a completely idiotic claim, this shit pisses me off.

[Crunchy Frog]

5. He was a member of the Hitler Youth.

And I have absolutely no problem with religion, in fact, I had a great deal of admiration for JPII.

This Ratzinger guy scares the hell out of me, precisely because he's the spiritual leader of 1.1 billion people.

[StopTheMorans]

7. not someone who doesn't like religion; someone who doesn't like

a conservative fucking monster being the leader of an organized religion with over 1 billion followers. sounds pretty goddamned reasonable to me :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[chickenscratching]

15. it's an outrage

when repukes start enforcing you to live by the bible.
on edit: or rather their interpretation of the bible.

[Pawel K]

17. Exactly. And it is an outrage when someone tries to tell someone

how to live their religion as that poster clearly is trying to.

[StopTheMorans]

21. "how to live their religion"? you're totally misreading what I said

I said Ratzinger was a fucking conservative asshole, and should be treated as such. when did i "tell people how to live their religion"? if you want a conservative asshole who is wholly against progressive reform as the leader of your church, then you're on the wrong message board.

[Pawel K]

25. No, I am on the right message board

thank you very much.

I do not need you to be telling me that the leader of MY religion is a fucking monster. I ask you, would it be okay for me to say to you that you are the fucking devil because you don't follow the Catholic faith?

[StopTheMorans]

30. he is; deal with it. if you like regressive, oppressive views

then find a site that supports such views. i didn't say shit about the catholic religion; i INTENTIONALLY confined my comments to ratzinger. do you have any friends that aren't made of straw :shrug:

[StopTheMorans]

19. so, pray tell, what are your views on the subject?

how do you feel about the right to choose, about contraception being a sin, and about women being treated as if the only point of their existence is to procreate and serve their men? Ratzinger's views are extremely conservative, and, if you agree with most of them, then you are certainly not in the right place.

btw, many of these 1.1 billion people have been brought up in 3rd world countries knowing nothing other than the church, and, as such, i'm certain that many of them can't even fathom the concept of being able to leave. fuck Ratzinger.

[Pawel K]

22. Do you not comprehend how you sound just like a repuke?

You are telling me that my religion is not right. This is odd since I bet you love to say when someone sitting next to you starts quoting the bible you would say don't force your views on me. This is exactly what you are trying to do.

I am a Catholic but I CHOOSE to disagree with a lot of the teachings. These are my views and frankly you don't need to hear them just like I don't need to hear yours about how I should live my religion.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in your statements?

[StopTheMorans]

23. i never told you your religion is not right; stop putting words in my

mouth. if a wind kicks up in here, i wonder where all your straw men will blow to :shrug:

[chickenscratching]

26. *blllloowwww

[chickenscratching]

24. what the fuck

where did he say anything about your religion not being right??

[Pawel K]

27. Here you go, a quote from his post

"Ratzinger's views are extremely conservative, and, if you agree with most of them, then you are certainly not in the right place."

What he is telling me is my views are wrong and I am not allowed to be a Democrat.

Let me change his quote around a bit to what a repuke would sound like.

"Darwin's views are extremely liberal, and, if you agree with most of them, then you are certainly not in the right place."

He is clearly not talking about political views, he is talking about religious views saying I am not in the right place for having those religious views. If that is right in your opinion you are a hypocrite if you ever criticised a religious fanatic that wanted to influance your views.

[chickenscratching]

28. i still don't see

how is saying that one doesnt like ratzingers views saying that your religion sucks?

[Pawel K]

32. Read what he just said in his latest reply to me

Look, if you disagree with him fine, I do too in many ways.

However, what he is telling me is that if I following the traditions of my religion like so many do I am not allowed to be a democrat. This is a direct attack on me personally and an attack on my personal religious views.

So by his logic if I personally disagree with abortion and would never do it myself but I don't agree with the government banning it I am not supposed to be a democrat.

[StopTheMorans]

29. sorry, it's the truth. if you do agree with MOST (key word) of Ratzingers

views, then you shouldn't be here, because they are not even remotely progressive, and this is a site for "progressives of all stripes." i told you that one member of your church's views are fucked; i did not say a goddamn thing about your religion as a whole. the straw man army is on the march; ONWARD STRAW MAN SOLDIERS

[Pawel K]

33. Read what I said to chickenscratching

you are wrong if you think I shouldn't be here because I believe in living RELIGION in a conservative way while my views on government and politics are progressive. Again, you are attacking my religion and me personally, not simply disagreeing with the church.

[StopTheMorans]

34. your views on government and politics can't be progressive if you agree

with all of Ratzinger's views, because all of his views are regressive. they're mutually exclusive.

[Pawel K]

36. Ok, forget it, I don't have the patience for this crap.

Yes, you are 100% correct. If I PERSONALLY would never have an abortion but I would never support our government banning abortions as I believe in people's freedom to follow their own beliefs by your logic I am a conservative. If you think this logic is rational (I think it is idiotic) fine, we'll leave it at that.

Also, I will continue to stick around this message board as I still consider myself a progressive despite your opinion that my personal RELIGIOUS (NOT POLITICAL) beliefs are wrong. Thanks.

[Renew Deal]

40. Including what are likely to be staunchly anti-war views?

[Renew Deal]

39. That's not right.

How can you say "if you do agree with MOST (key word) of Ratzingers views, then you shouldn't be here, because they are not even remotely progressive"

And then say "and this is a site for "progressives of all stripes."

That doesn't make sense. Obviously you don't believe that.

[Squatch]

4. He was not a Nazi

[woo me with science]

6. Hitler Youth was compulsory

Try reading something before you shoot off your mouth.

[rene moon]

9. I'll shoot it off whenever I want to

Thanks

[Renew Deal]

31. .

[KFC]

18. Exactly. Bringing up this weak shit is stupid.

Like he had a choice at 12 years old.

[tjdee]

20. Has he ever denounced it/talked about it?

?

[derby378]

35. Can we assume...

...that Benedict XVI won't support "Buddy Christ?"

[Redleg]

38. I'm sure they had you in mind when they picked Ratzfucker

or whatever his name is.