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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:13 PM
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I watched Episode II again last night. I'm starting to like it.
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 12:14 PM by ChavezSpeakstheTruth
I still find Padme doesn't look, or act, 10 years older than in Episode I, however that's starting to matter to me less. And Haydenson (sp?) is growing on me. The scene where he speaks of slaughtering the Sandpeople seems Vaderish. Plus, in the arena, when the Jedis appear - that's still a great battle scene. And, of course, the Yoda scene made me almost pee myself in the theater.

That being said, I still find both episodes to be full of filler stuff (what up Beastman?). You know, pod-races, ascaping a gladiator type arena, riding drones through the city - that stuff.

Now - I can't wait to see A) the Vader transition, B) The Emperor weild a light saber and (having watched the Clone Wars) General Greivous(sp?)!

Discuss
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:14 PM
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1. Those films suck so bad they've ruined Star Wars for me
totally ruined it. Portman should be ashamed.

They ALL should be ashamed.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:14 PM
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2. Duly noted
Next
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:15 PM
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3. Chavez
shame on you for revisionism! :silly:
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:19 PM
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5. How dare I change my opinion!
:scared:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:18 PM
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4. I liked Episode II... Always Have
It's Lucas' dime. He spent it the way he pleased

Star Wars purists make me laugh
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:20 PM
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6. I have a bit of the purist in me, don't get me wrong. But
The evolving story, is making me like the originals even more. Who knew?
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:33 PM
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12. People faulted Lucas for his overly-elaborate and convoluted set up
In Episodes I and II

But they forget that he's responsible for creating the canon of that literary universe

And when you talking about acting or dialog, that's never been a strong suit in Star Wars. Except that all the bad guys and rakes had all the best lines.

Thinks about this, Episodes 4,5 and 6 represent and primitive dark times under the Empire.

Going overboard with political intrigue and a more vibrant societal structure in the first two while juxtapositioning the regressiveness of the final three could be looked at as a stroke of genius.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:21 PM
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7. And don't forget- Jar Jar inadvertently dooms the Republic!
Poetic justice, perhaps!
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:22 PM
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9. Yeah - hesah suppostin be peyoonished moi moi!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:21 PM
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8. I and II both have strong merits to them
But each had something that ruined the overall movie. In the first one was Jar Jar Binks and the bad acting of that little kid who played Anakin. Back off on Jar Jar and hire an acting coach for the kid and it was a great movie with some of the best lightsaber fighting sequences (the end fight with Darth Maul using the double lightsaber)

The biggest problem with II was the love interest between Anakin and Padme. Sucessful love stories work when there is a 3rd person involved - like set it up that Padme was going to marry Obi-wan but her heart really belong to Anakin. That would have made a better romantic twist, create even stronger aminosity between Obi-Wan and Anakin plus kinda builts into IV explaining why Obi-wan was so determined to rescue Leia that he allowed Darth to kill him (long lost unrequetted loves play well).

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:25 PM
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10. I disagree on the second point. The 3rd factor in their love is
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 12:29 PM by ChavezSpeakstheTruth
the fact that it is forbidden - their chosen paths are the 3rd love interest. I like that they were wed in secret and if anyone found out they'd be ruined. IMO - you r sugestion about her being torn between Obi Wan and Aniken would ruin Obi Wan's character and, frankly, it would be tacky. Remeber - Aniken is the Jedi who can't control his emotions.
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Mrs_Beastman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:29 PM
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11. I am withholding judgement until I see episode III
to see if it was worth wading thru I and II, because there was just a lot of filler.

I have this nagging feeling from watching episode I and II that Lucas is a hack...I hope episode III redeems him.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:35 PM
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13. Oh...it will.
Even if I have to drive to Skywalker Ranch, hold him hostage and demand he re-shoot and re-edit all three films.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:45 PM
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15. wow
that is serious fandom! ;)

although, he does love to tinker with them.

I thought 2 was terrible. There were som good scenes, but no emotional meat and Hayden was also terrible. I much prefer 1.
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Mrs_Beastman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:14 PM
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18. Only a month and some till we find out
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:35 PM
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14. From what I've scene in the trailer it looks caliente!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:45 PM
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16. Fast-forward through the Padme/Annakin schlokfest
and it is a passable movie.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:46 PM
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17. i Love episode 2
1 is hard to stomach since i'm not 9 years oLd.

but 2 - fucking awesome!!!
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:15 PM
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19. You are one sick, sick man
The only thing worse than Episode II was Episode I

Gah!

david
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:18 PM
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20. All You Lame Ass Suckas Bashing Star Wars Are STILL
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 02:20 PM by Beetwasher
going to fork over the cash and go see III. Who the fuck do you think you're kidding?

I liked episode I AND episode II! How about them apples! Yeah, there were annoying parts, but overall they were still fun and entertaining! So screw you all!

And yes, the Clone Wars cartoon on Cartoon Network kicks serious ass!!! So do the Dark Horse comics!
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:45 PM
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21. As long as you fast forward through any scene with Portman in it, yes.
Then it's a good movie. Of course, the thing is still chock-full of plot holes and idiocy. From a thread I came across a long while back (sorry, I don't have the link, but at least I admit I didn't write this):

"After two days of training on Dagobah Luke was able to detect Vader's presence across the vastness of space and Han suffering across the galaxy. I feel strongly that Yoda, after 800 years of Jedi training, would be able to detect the evil inside of Palpatine from across the desk in Palpatine’s office."

"Admiral Motti, as you may remember, is the person in A New Hope that becomes frustrated with Darth Vader and says: "Don't try and frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebel's hidden fort..." and is subsequently choked by Darth Vader. Admiral Motti has got to be in his mid to late forties. Being a high ranking officer in the Empire he most certainly remember a time not to long ago (when he was about twenty) when there were thousands of Jedi who wandered the galaxy and were known by EVERYONE. He is undoubtedly from Coruscant, the home planet of the empire and former seat of the Jedi Council. If he really stretches and delves deep into the recesses of his memory he may even remember the Jedi having a huge part in Galactic Government. Admiral Motti is even credited with constructing the Death Star. We now know that he must have received those plans from Count Dooku, a former Jedi master."


"During Yoda and Dooku's battle the sinister Count Dooku decides that he is going to use the force to drop a huge stone pillar onto Anakin and Obi-Wan. When he releases the column Yoda drops his cane and uses the force to stop the column's fall and drop it to the side of the two fallen Jedi. Yoda visibly struggles with this item. His face contorts into a variety of different expressions much like that guy from the beer commercials who drank the bitter beer. Apparently size does matter if Yoda is having so much trouble with this piece of rock. Also one is left wondering why Yoda didn't simply yank Anakin and Obi-Wan out of the way of the giant slab, bringing them to safety. Surely the combined weight of Anaking an Obi-Wan must be slightly less than four tons."

"Why is Obi-Wan always right? He's totally against Palpatine because he's "a politician" yet sees nothing wrong with protecting Amidala who is also a politician. This serves to make Obi-Wan seem like a hypocrite but at the same time makes him cool because he doesn't trust Palpatine who, as we all know, is evil. Obi-Wan was supposed to be a conflicted Jedi who mistakenly tried to train Anakin and did a poor job. Now his character is made to be a wise know-it-all who just happens to get stuck with a psychopath for a Padawan."

"Mace Windu and Yoda write off the idea that Dooku could be behind any murder plots because he was once a Jedi. They don't even consider Dooku as a potential plotter because he was a Jedi. End of discussion. Apparently someone that is good can never become evil. If the Jedi have always been this dumb it's a wonder the Sith waited so long to strike."

"Shmi Skywalker's situation is entirely unrealistic. Anakin is a huge hero. He singlehandedly destroyed the droid control ship, therefore winning the battle between Naboo and the Trade Federation. Amidala tells little Annie: "We owe you everything." You'd think that an entire planet (particularly an extremely wealthy one like Naboo) would be able to front the boy the tiny bit of money necessary to free his mother from slavery. But instead Anakin elects to spend the next decade in misery, wondering about his mother's fate and having recurring nightmares. At the very least he could have gotten the cash to take a taxi to visit his mother occasionally."

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