Did you know the Lounge was full of "Fat Haters"? I didn't.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

Wow: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=299

Ya learn sumpin' new every day.

[WoodrowFan]

1. I don't hate the plus-siized

I am plus sized.


I do dislike bee-heads though. freaks.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

3. I don't recall ever hating anyone for their appearance.

I must be wrong.

[Richardo]

2. Leave it alone, Chavez

Free advice - and worth every penny. :)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

4. You're probably right. I just wish we could all get along

That's all.

[sniffa]

5. it's true

haven't you seen the 'godhatesfatpeopLe' web site?

[sui generis]

11. it's www.godhatesfats.com

I just had to go there!

[Cooley Hurd]

6. I have to be honest...

It's clear that there's a contingent of DUers that finds some of the threads mocking overweight people very offensive. IMHO, maybe we should refrain from posting such threads because, like I said, it's bumming some DUers out.:shrug:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

10. There's alot of posts that are "bumming some DUers out"

[BigMcLargehuge]

7. common knowledge chavez my man... I tombstoned this guy when I was a

mod for that very reason.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

9. You sayin' I should call you Ishmael?

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. No, but there does seem to be a large contingent of

John Denver haters here. :P

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

14. And in the greater society

[Bertha Venation]

16. No one BETTER hate John Denver.

He was my cousin, though I never knew him. He rather resembled my uncle Bill. :hi:

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. I adore John Denver and have worn through several copies of "An

Evening With John Denver"...it's what MrG and I listen to when we have our evening chats. :hi:

[Bertha Venation]

22. LOVE that album.

:hi:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

23. But he also did "Please Daddy (Dont Get Drunk This Christmas)"

Please Daddy, dont get drunk this Christmas
I dont wanna see my Mumma cry
Please Daddy, dont get drunk this Christmas
I dont wanna see my Mumma cry

Just last year when I was only seven
And now Im almost eight as you can see
You came home at a quarter past eleven
Fell down underneath our Christmas tree

Please Daddy, dont get drunk this Christmas
I dont wanna see my Mumma cry
Please Daddy, dont get drunk this Christmas
I dont wanna see my Mumma cry

Mumma smiled and looked outside the window
She told me son, you better go upstairs
Then you laughed and hollered Merry Christmas
I turned around and saw my Mummas tears

Please Daddy, dont get drunk this Christmas
I dont wanna see my Mumma cry
Please Daddy, dont get drunk this Christmas
I dont wanna see my Mumma cry
No, I dont wanna see my Mumma cry

[Bertha Venation]

28. OH, yeah . . . definitely related by blood to this man.

:7

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

71. HA!

:thumbsup:

[arwalden]

27. It Was Nine Feet High And Six Feet Wide And Soft As A Downy Chick!!

It was made from the feathers of forty-leven geese. Took a whole bolt of cloth for the tick. It'd hold eight kids, and four hound dogs, and a piggy we stole from the shed. We didnt get much sleep but we had a lot of fun on Grandmas feather bed!

[WI_DEM]

12. so why bring attention to this group?

more power to them and I hope they get the support they deserve.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

13. You are correct.

[Bertha Venation]

15. EDIT: I totally mis-read you. So sorry.

:dunce:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

20. Didn't see what you said originally so it's all good

:thumbsup:

[Misunderestimator]

24. She said that you totally suck...

just kidding :D :bounce: (sorry, Bertha, couldn't resist)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

25. That would have been true

:)

[Misunderestimator]

26. Hahaha... nah

:hi: You're ok in my book.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

29. Aww you!

:)

[Bertha Venation]

87. My book, too.

CStT rocks.

[Bertha Venation]

30. LOL

You ain't right, Mis. :bounce:

[mondo joe]

18. I didn't read through it all so I wonder if you could just point out

where someone was hated for being fat.

Thanks.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

19. Ya got me

[Divameow77]

21. I would really like to know what fat is?

Honesty what size is unacceptable?
I'm a size 10 and am trying like crazy to lose weight because I feel overweight, but I'm sure there are people who think I'm ridiculous. Are you only as fat as you feel?

[MissMillie]

31. I find it a bit ironic

That this group prides itself on "acceptance".

They are comfortable with their size, and that's terrific. I truly am happy for them. I would never put them down for what they look like, what they eat, or how they choose to view their weight.

For some of us, though, the weight got to be health-threatening.

I had WLS. It has done wonders for my health. After 6 months, I've lost nearly 80 lbs. I no longer need to take blood pressure medication. The severity of my sleep apnea has lessened. My feet don't hurt as much. My back doesn't hurt as much. I have more energy and more self-esteem than I have in YEARS. I have (thus far) suffered no major complications due to this surgery.

It's been a positive thing for me.

But to read the posts over there, you'd think that this surgery is the worst thing anyone could do for themselves.

Yes, there are complications for many people who undergo the surgery. And yes, those who do not follow the rules can gain all their weight back.

But for every horror story, there are plenty of success stories.

I hope we're all still around here in a few years so that they can say that they know someone who had some success w/ WLS, and that it's not the butchery they once thought it was.

[CO Liberal]

32. "I hope we're all still around here in a few years..."

For your sake, I hope so too, Miss Millie. but I've known too many people who have died after WLS for me to consider it a safe medical procedure. And I wouldn't wish the side effects on my worst enemy.

[MissMillie]

34. I meant posting on this board

but I assumed you knew that.

I'm healthier than I've been in years. But I'll bet I'll never convince you of that.

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[MissMillie]

37. Care to hear thousands of success stores?

Or is your annecdotal evidence enough?

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[MissMillie]

41. There are lots of stories that go back "several" years

but also remember that the surgery has improved over the years. The surgery that is performed now is not the same as the surgery performed even 10 years ago.

I can't wait to prove you wrong about the "time bomb" thing.

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[kick-ass-bob]

45. As they are against you as well.

[MissMillie]

53. What odds?

You mean the ones published by the Fat Acceptance groups?

I'm sure they don't have any bias in this situation at all.....

[Name removed]

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[Misunderestimator]

56. Unbelievable.... you didn't just say that did you?

Telling someone that the odds are against her?!? Please, there are plenty of success stories of people who would otherwise be much worse off physically. It's not very constructive to say something like that to ANYONE, much less someone who has already HAD the surgery? Or did I misunderstand that?

[CO Liberal]

61. I'm Just Stating The Truth

Many people don't learn the truth about WLS until it's too late.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

92. Once again, horribly insensitive

[kick-ass-bob]

44. what good is this doing?

The decision is done. Now you're just being a prick.

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[Misunderestimator]

59. Free will man... you can be opposed all you want but to insult

someone who as chosen this as a viable and healthy option for herself, all you do is damage.

[CO Liberal]

63. If I Can Get ONE Person to Not Have This Surgery.....

...then it's worth it.

[kick-ass-bob]

68. so you ridicule and tell someone who has already had it that

they are going to die because of it?

That sounds like fundies telling me I'm going to hell because I go to the "wrong" church.

[Name removed]

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[kick-ass-bob]

79. editing this title so it won't be deleted...

You can't change her mind - its already done.

Look - with you it seems like you just like to complain - about this or that or the other. You say people are always attacking you and your wife - but it seems to be that it happens a lot - and for a lot of different reasons.

That should tell you something. Is it everyone else? Or is it me?

Think long and hard about that.

[Cyndee_Lou_Who]

70. Right, cuz you know the risks for that ONE person better than

their physician....

:wtf:

[Misunderestimator]

Seems akin to people who force an anti-choice agenda to me.

Look, it's perfectly fine to criticize it, and there certainly have been many cases where it has proven to be a bad choice... and people should ONLY choose this option when there are no alternatives and remaining severely obese would result in more severe health problems than the risk of the surgery.

That said... to directly respond to someone who has already made that choice and already benefited from it, is personal. You can't stop this one from happening, so it's a waste of your time. There are plenty of other opportunities to discuss the risks of it elsewhere.

[chickenscratching]

75. right

even if you have to beat your ideas into their system it's ok right?

[Magrittes Pipe]

77. I wish someone had talked Gram out of her open heart surgery...

...when she had 95% arterial blockage. Wow, she only lived 16 more years. It could have been....

NONE. If she hadn't gone under then knife, she would have been dead within the year. No, a quadruple-bypass is not the same thing as WLS, and it's an older procedure. But the thought of someone going around telling people not to have potentially life-saving surgery, just because of the POSSIBLE side effects, is just fucking sick.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

64. Imagine that

[kick-ass-bob]

40. Lay off. Like being so overweight that the surgery would be an

option is not dangerous and causes disability and premature death?

I've known a lot of fat people who die young simply because they were overweight.

[CO Liberal]

46. Precisely!!!!

In my own family, I had an aunt who spent most of her adult life between 300 and 400 pounds. She lived to be 73. On the other hand, my mother aleays watched her weight. She lived to be 72.

[kick-ass-bob]

51. precisely what?

My grandfather smoked every day from age 17 to 83. Never got lung cancer. Would you say that the link between smoking and cancer is crap?

That is just anecdotal evidence - which is not evidence at all.

[Name removed]

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[kick-ass-bob]

72. and how do you know they don't die early?

How do you know your (grandmother, aunt, I forget who) wasn't going to live to be 95 instead of 73?

[CO Liberal]

76. I'm Gonna Drop This Right Now

This discussion isn't going anywhere. Besides, I get the feeling that this thread is destined for a locking.

So I will no longer respond, and I'm gonna hide this thread so I'm not tempted to respond. I didn't mean to sound so brutal, but I've lost too many good friends to WLS and I'm very passionate about my oppostition to it.

[Magrittes Pipe]

80. Destined for a locking? Why?

Because you, and you alone, have hijacked it and turned it into a flamefest with your insults, degradations, and vendettas?

Well, then, I suppose it is. :eyes:

[kick-ass-bob]

85. and that he posted in ATA to have it locked.

Nice, eh?

Want it locked but want to turn it into a die, MissMillie, die thread.

[sniffa]

86. stay tuned then

for the next episode of ask the adiministrators to find out if this thread wiLL get Locked...

[kick-ass-bob]

91. its already there!!!

:7

[kick-ass-bob]

84. why? because you requested it to be locked?

Yes I saw that.

Don't think you are fooling anyone.

:eyes:

[sniffa]

88. how about that?

i'm psychic! :D

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

90. If it's locked it's from your persistent hijacking. And you've been spoken

to about it. Don't think your threads in ATA aren't noticed by everyone.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

69. You sayin' she's doomed?

[sniffa]

39. i'm very proud of you

i know it's hard, and i try to compLiment you often. :)

[MissMillie]

48. Yes, you do

And I thank you for that.

I've fallen into some bad habits of late, but my blood work came back from the doctors all normal (so despite a lag in my weight loss, I'm still getting all my nutrients in).

I wasn't going to accept high blood pressure, sleep apnea, plantar fasciitis, back pain, bursitis in my hip and eventually diabetes--not without a fight.

I've yo-yo dieted for years. Nothing worked.

So far, this has. And given the drastic nature of what I've done, I feel much more motivated to continue w/ the healthy habits involved w/ WLS (proper eating, exercise) than I've ever felt before.

[sniffa]

62. good

i didn't know you before, but your confidence seems high now. :D

i hope your feet don't hurt anymore either. :P

[Misunderestimator]

78. I'm so glad that it's been successful for you!

You sound like you're handling it properly and doing the right things. Nothing like feeling and being healthy to keep your motivation to stay that way. :hug:

[kick-ass-bob]

33. *shrug*

my wife lost 120 pounds because no one would give her health insurance - called the state to ask if that was legal and they said being that overweight is the same risk as having cancer.

Huge health risks.

[MissMillie]

36. Absolutely

My own primary care doctor said that the risk of being my highest weight was HIGHER than any of the risks of surgery.

Mind you, she did not refer me to a surgeon. I approached her. She just backed my decision. She had no incentive to make such a statement about the surgery.

[kick-ass-bob]

42. Congrats. I'm glad it went well for you.

And just ignore some others around here...

[Jessica]

57. I'm glad everything has gone well for you, MissMillie.

It can't be an easy road. And, I've often wanted to apologize to you for something I posted when I first came here. You were talking about wanting cake & I posted a big old picture of some. I didn't know about your surgery & what you've gone through. Might not be that big of a deal, but I am sorry. :-( :hi:

[Name removed]

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[sniffa]

49. fatists

practicing fatism. being fat is just Like being gay... or so i've heard.

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[hollywood926]

50. There are far more vegetarian haters than fat haters, even though

vegetarianism and veganism are healthy and disciplined lifestyles, while fat-ism (if you will) requires laziness and overindulgence.

[sniffa]

54. being a vegan

is aLso a Lot Like being gay. i'm aLways reading about vegans who were beaten up or kiLLed for not eating meat.

[Misunderestimator]

81. LOL

[sniffa]

83. ;)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=299x56

[emhcee]

67. Agreed.

The simple fact is that it takes no discipline or effor to get fat and stay that way - quite the opposite... Being fat is a choice, insomuch as every individual has the free will to put down the ho ho's and get on a treadmill!

It's far too easy to sit and (get fatter) complain about everyone else.

[KitchenWitch]

73. There are some cases in which obesity is a medical problem

not a willpower problem...not attributable to laziness and overindulgence at all.

[emhcee]

82. naaaaah.

It's sad to think that some people might be prone to it, but the simple fact remains... if you burn more calories than you take in, you will not gain weight.

The genetic predispostion to fatness is a crutch.

[seaglass]

60. We all see things through our own filters. Probably if you are

not fat you are not attuned to what is hurtful and hateful to people who are. I admit that I'm not fat so I don't necessarily see it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am willing to be enlightened.

I am a parent who feels hated when I see long threads about "breeders" and nasty generalizations about kids. Maybe those who don't have kids don't see the hate, but I do. That's my prism.

So you can either care about how others feel or not.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

66. I think, by and large, we're all here on DU because we care. Isn't that

why we're Liberals in the 1st place?

[JVS]

89. I disagree. I think that it is quite possible to be liberal without caring

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

93. HA! You're probably right

:)