Proverbs 13:24

[coloradodem2005]

"He that spareth his rod hateth his son."

I am not really a big fan of spanking. I always thought that it was bullshit. Occasionally, it might be called for, but I think that it is counterproductive most of the time. What are your thoughts on it?

[swag]

1. I think it's an appropriate punishment

for quoting scripture on DU.

[RetroLounge]

2. LOL!

:hi:

RL

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Not real big on biblical arguments to support ANY position, because...

..inevitably interpretation comes to mind.

One religious group claims it's about spanking and the other says it's an allegory for the rod of the shepherd to "guide" his flock.

Or the "eye of the needle" thing which has like 3 different interpretations:

a) Literally
b) A small gate
c) mistranslation of the word "rope"

[ProudToBeLiberal]

4. he that beats his son will get my fist up his ass nt

[Dookus]

5. I think the sooner

we get away from quoting the Bible as some sort of an authority on anything, the quicker we'll start making some real progress in this world.

[Liberal Veteran]

6. And we have a winner!

:D

[Sandpiper]

7. The bible also says to Stone Rebellious Children

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; and they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.



I'd like to think that we as a society can move beyond parenting tips from the Bronze Age.

[democracyindanger]

8. You'll love this

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/06/MNGJ4B6UE11.DTL

Christian crusaders go to battle over spanking
Tools of discipline horrify some of faithful

Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and "biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.

Twyla Bullock, in Eufaula, Okla., swears by the Rod -- a 22-inch, $5 white nylon whipping stick her husband designed and produced until recently. Named after the biblical "rod of correction," the Rod provides "a faith-based way to discipline children ... and train them as Christians," Bullock explains.

...

"Corporal punishment, when used lovingly and properly, is beneficial to a child because it is in harmony with nature itself," Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, which claims a mailing list of 2.5 million believers, wrote on the organization's Web site (www.family.org).

Joey Salvati, a carpenter from New Kingston, Pa., and a father of two, has been crafting wooden spanking paddles since 2002. The $5.75 implements come with a suggestion as to the number of swats for various childhood misdemeanors: one for disrespectful behavior, two for cursing, three for cheating, lying or "direct defiance."

[Spider Jerusalem]

9. a faith-based way to discipline children ... and train them as Christians

...and give them some seriously fucked-up sexuality issues...don't these people know what sort of twisted perversion the caning in British public schools has led to?

[democracyindanger]

11. caning

You just reminded me: Remember this guy?

http://www.nospank.net/n-b24.htm

Singapore Caning Victim Arrested

WINTER PARK, Fla. (AP) -- The young man who was caned in Singapore four years ago for allegedly vandalizing cars has been arrested in Florida on drug charges.

Michael Fay, 22, was arrested at his apartment Tuesday by a deputy responding to neighbors' complaints about loud music.

...

After returning to the United States, Fay was suffered burns to his hands and face in September 1994, and admitted he was burned while sniffing butane, a fuel used in cigarette lighters. He then went into drug rehabilitation for a butane habit.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Sounds like a NAMBLA motto

[tjdee]

12. I take that quote to mean discipline--I can't spank.

Many Old Testament quotes can be problematic.

But anyway, I *swatted* once, and won't do it anymore. It says "I have run out of ways to deal with this and now I'm impatient and you're getting it". IMO.

My parents spanked me every blue moon...didn't like it, but I'm not eternally scarred either. I do think they didn't have an alternative way of handling what I'd done.

[Liberal Veteran]

13. I prefer Psalm 137:9

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."

:P