JACKO IS INNOCENT!

[justy387]

The parent of the kid who claimed to be abused by Jacko is just after $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. She is of questionable intergrity.

[Goldmund]

1. Huh?

[Floogeldy]

2. Since I wasn't there . . .

. . . you might be correct.

[donheld]

8. I wasn't there either

I just hope justice will be done. I have no idea what really happened. Michael's weird, but last i knew we don't lock up people for being weird. If he's harmed a child however, may he get the sentence he deserves. I only wish Michael would have taken the money he spent on his face, and spent it on a good shrink.

[lenidog]

47. Michael is more than weird

I think the man is mentally ill. The sad thing is that he has NEVER gotten any help in his entire life because he has always been surrounded by ass kissers and people who saw him as a meal ticket.

[Dookus]

3. And Michael's integrity

is unsullied. :eyes:

[Bluebear]

4. Well, we shall see what the jury says

May he get a fair trial.

[sasquatch]

5. WHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CARES!!!

:shrug:

[boneygrey]

7. I second that n/t

[tyedyeto]

9. I 3rd that........

Who cares?

[realisticphish]

16. fourth it nt

[donheld]

57. IIIIIIIIIIIIIII Care

If Michael is Jailed unjustly we all lose. If Michael is freed because he's rich we all lose. In the name of justice i care.

[maveric]

6. How will she get $$$$$$$ from a criminal trial? Sue him after he's

convicted?

[mermaid]

11. Why Not? What Do You Think Happened To O.J.?? n/t

[saltpoint]

10. Seems like U.S. citizens are innocent until proven guilty.

What is troubling about the media is that they want these celebrity trials tried on their networks and not in the courts.

Kobe Bryant, the Jackson trial, etc. Media circuses. Ratings bonanzas. Not really healthy to try someone by media. Doesn't help the defense or the prosecution.

[MADem]

22. Unless your name is Jose Padilla... n/t

[saltpoint]

32. Very angry about Padilla and other "enemy combatants" --

-- imprisoned without charge or representation.

The courts have now ruled that Bush cannot continue this pre-Magna Carta attitude.

Even with an appeal, his armor is dented on this issue.

I don't know the inside scoop on Padilla, but Bush/Ashcroft's decision to hold him without charge or representation is, in my opinion, criminal tyranny.

[MADem]

45. My personal opinion on Jose

...is that he is a crazy, manipulated, stupid, perhaps foolish, fucker, and probably guilty. But I cannot get behind the "rush to faux justice" that they are pushing on this kid. Makes us look like one of those rogue nations in Africa, with an Idi Amin-type leader, who just figures that everyone is guilty, kill 'em all if they get rounded up.

Even if they had initially bailed him out with a LOJACK on his ankle, and had a bunch of spooks tailing him and surveilling him, I would feel better about it. But locking him up and denying him basic, essential, AMERICAN representation is just fucking stupid. Makes us look like thugs. You'd think if our country was gonna be evil, we'd at least be halfway good, and halfway SNEAKY, about it. This is just inept thuggery. Makes us look SO BAD in the eyes of the rest of the world....

[saltpoint]

53. Yes, it does make us look bad. Hard evidence is --

-- one thing, but imprisoning someone without hard evidence is another altogether.

And just these last two days we're lecturing Venezuela and Syria and Egypt etc. about rights abuses.

We've got to get our own house in order first. As the t-shirt says, "People who live in grass huts shouldn't throw lawn mowers."

[MADem]

59. Heh heh!!!

Either that, or "People who live in grass huts shouldn't throw flaming torches!!!"

It is humiliating, though, how "we" (not we, but those assholes in power) embarass us around the globe!

[JohnnyCougar]

12. I hope Jackson gets put to death.

I'm against the death penalty, but man, is this guy ever a cancer on society. Molesting children...

[Floogeldy]

14. You know that for a fact?

Were you a child that was molested by MJ?

[JohnnyCougar]

17. Am I wrong, or did he admit to giving children alcohol?

And sleeping with them for that matter.

This is the same guy that was dangling a baby over a balcony. He clearly has no regard for children. If he's getting them drunk and holding them over balconies, that alone is grounds for imprisonment.

It's not hard to believe that he molested them after what he has ADMITTED to.

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[JohnnyCougar]

27. Your passive-agressive tone is not impressing me.

You defend someone that dangles children over balconies, and then tell me that I have personal problems. Please stop projecting your insecurities onto me.

[sniffa]

68. bwahahaha

i'm amazed the guy has fans, much Less defenders.

[revolve]

15. Your post is sarcasm right?

Because if not it is one of the dumbest things I have ever read

[JohnnyCougar]

18. See above.

If he did any of the stuff he has openly admitted to to my children, I would have shot him myself and faced the jail time.

[revolve]

24. How can you say your against the death penalty

when you would have shot him yourself without any proof?

He gave kids alcohol and slept in the same bed with them, that sure as hell demands death in my book. Do you realize the hypocrisy of your statements?

[JohnnyCougar]

25. I have proof of him daingling a child over a balcony.

It's on video. Hello!

If that was my child, I would have killed him just for that.

[Floogeldy]

28. What other things would you kill people over?

I mean, since you are against the death penalty, and all.

[JohnnyCougar]

29. Not much...endangering children is my hot point.

Giving them liquor and dangling them over a balcony where any second they could fall to their death and splatter their infant brains on the concrete below would be enough for me to personally kill the person who was doing it.

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[JohnnyCougar]

43. Bye Bye!

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[Floogeldy]

49. Just follow the logic

He's against the death penalty, but wants MJ put to death for molesting children. He has no proof that MJ molested children, but he admitted to giving them alcohol. He has no proof that MJ admitted to giving children alcohol, but he slept with children. Now then, now then, he dangled his kid over a balcony, and that is enough to kill MJ, but apparently only if it was Johnny's own kid.

Makes sense to me! :crazy:

[revolve]

52. I'm sorry but I truly can not follow the logic

since there is none there. I understand the heat and emotions that are brought to the surface in a case such as this but that does not mean that we must forgo our logic or sense of justice.

[JohnnyCougar]

55. You got it!

You're beginning to see the pattern. Obviously he is a danger to children. What if his hand slipped, and that child fell to the concrete and splattered its brains all over? What if he decides to do that again? This guy has kids half my age sleeping over. Why would someone...ahhh forget it. You wouldn't spot a child molester if one smacked you in the face.

[Floogeldy]

61. You should get a job as a professional child molester spotter!

[JohnnyCougar]

64. I'm sure there is a demand.

Sadly enough, many people aren't tuned in to these things. And they don't care to make judgements uopn people's behavior because it is the "court's job." Well, if it comes to someone molesting my child (or any child I care about, for that matter), you better believe I'm not waiting for any fucking court. And you better belive I'm taking the judgement in my own hands. Even if it's endangering my child's life in any way (such as dangling it over the balcony) you better believe the person would be beaten within an inch of his life at BEST.

[Goldmund]

48. Huh?

This thread is a riot.

[mermaid]

13. Dunno....And DON'T CARE

Michael's weird.

Well, we don't lock people up for being weird...but, this is not the first time he's been involved in something like this, now, is it? I'd say the circumstantial evidence is against him.

If he's innocent, then he's also stupid, to keep putting himself in a position where he could even get accused of shit like this.

And that is all I got to say about it.

[Technowitch]

19. Let's wait to see what the jury says

[autorank]

20. justy387, Welcome to DU!!! Now, go get an education on child abu

What part of haveing teenagers over to your house as an adult for sleep overs don't you understand? It's just that simple.

And, I don't want any dumb ass responses. This thread is flame bait.

[revolve]

26. This thread may be flame bait

but you took the bait so im gonna provide you with some flame.

First of all just because teenagers were at his house doesn't mean they were molested, Ive had teenagers at my house and somehow resisted the urge to molest them

And second, who are you to be judge and jury of him, it seems very presumptuous and judge mental to me.

[autorank]

39. I'm somebody who knows a hell of a lot about this and this guy

is a real mess, particularly since he was on notice. I'm sick of wealthy people who think teens and younger are their toys. It is truly pathetic. If you get 10 experts with real long term experience in child abuse from a variety of credible sources, tell them the story, every single one of them will say the guy is dirty.

Who am I to judge? A free American...a citizen who believes that law enforcement needs to go after people who are hugely suspicious. The first case was settled in a way that prevented the police from acting. That law has changed. Now settlements don't save a perv's ass.

This shit happens at an alarming rate--30% of female teens and about 15% of male teens report sexual abuse in survey after survey -- that's unwanted sexual contact by someone five or more years older. Nice country huh. Enabled by Johnny Cochran logic when someone is charged with this filthy crime.

N.B. By your logic, because * hasn't been impeached, 'who are we to go after him...'

[revolve]

44. No, by my logic * should be tried by a jury

Not by someone who thinks they know more than they do because they watch too much court t.v.

[autorank]

65. Welcome to DU!!! ...and by that you mean?

[justy387]

31. The child in question was suffering from cancer.

Jackson slept on the floor while the children were in his bed. Jackson truly has the heart of an angel. He cares deeply about suffering children everywhere, and just wanted to help. Jackson will be vindicated in court.

This is not flame bait. I am just trying to set the record straight.

[autorank]

42. No you're not. Why not defend Lieberman or something. Amazing

[JohnnyCougar]

54. I think I just peed in my pants.

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[donheld]

62. Just in case

:evilgrin:

[realisticphish]

21. Breath in.... breath out....

this is not even the trial of the hour, let alone the century

[MrSlayer]

34. Yeah ok dude.

Like you're even real.

[justy387]

35. I am real. n/t

[autorank]

40. Real naive. Nice entre into DU. Defend a child molester. Excellent!

[donheld]

60. justy387 i'm on your side

Welcome to DU :hi:

Long live "innocent till proven guilty." Yes even for Weirdo, Michael Jackson. Yes he hung his child over a balcony :spank: Michael's far from the only one to do this. None of us, yes i said NONE of us at DU know whether or not Michael ever harmed a child. I will NOT say he's innocent, but i will NOT say he's guilty either. I do not believe in trial by media.

[roguevalley]

37. no matter what, he's a fucker for sleeping with kids. anyone who

thinks that's not so bad better be ready to let your own kid sleep with an old guy down the street. And it doesn't matter if the mother is a dick or not. the question is, did he molest a kid? that is what is at stake here, mother be damned.

[autorank]

41. Great taste in candidates and impeccable logic.

:yourock:

[autorank]

66. like your style MrSlayer

[Lex]

36. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .

huh? whaaaa?

[qnr]

50. Of course he is. Of many things-For example, my eyeglasses were misplaced

earlier today, and he had absolutely nothing to do with it.

[fleabert]

51. I get to use one of my new pics!

[qnr]

56. heheh n/t

[LiveWire]

58. He's a pedophile, not to mention a nutbar

He thinks hes peter pan, and gave a kid with only one kidney alcohol. That is a close enough defintion of insanity as I can get. Just because hes famous does not make him innocent.

[realisticphish]

63. and just because he's crazy

does not make him guilty :shrug:

i honestly couldn't care less, but i'll wait to see the actual evidence

[Bluebear]

67. So being tried by the media is enough for you?

And because the allegation is there about giving the kid alcohol you convict him on what you have only heard fourth-hand? Is this not America anymore?

I am no MJ fan and he is weird as shit but I can't believe people don't believe in innocent until proven guilty anymore.

[Bertha Venation]

69. I don't give two shits about the whole thing, but I will say this.

If he's guilty I hope he's convicted. If he's innocent I hope he is not convicted.

Either way, the man should not be persecuted or hounded or papparazzied to death or otherwise harrassed in any way just because he is weird.

[progmom]

72. I love it when my fave DU-ers weigh in

Thanks for the words of wisdom. You captured my feelings about this trial pretty well. I was a huge Jackson fan as a teen, but really want to know nothing about what is going on now.

[Beware the Beast Man]

70. Here's a coin. May I cross the bridge now?

[progmom]

71. That was beautiful

...and exactly what I was thinking.

[Moderator]

73. Locking

This has turned into a flame fest.