Surprised I haven't heard much talk of "Scorsesese Snubbed"..

[vi5]

I thought for sure if he lost to Eastwood that Martin S. getting snubbed again would be the talk of the town.

Maybe the academy thinks like I do and gets annoyed when someone comes across as making art specifically to win awards rather than just doing what they do best and if the kudos come then fine.

Scorsesse should have won for Raging Bull or Goodfellas but both Age of Innocence and the Aviator came across to me like blatant Oscar Baiting. In fact even while both of those movies were being made and before anyone even saw them there was talk of this.

I guess I'm just not a fan of giving lifetime acheivement awards under the guise of awards to specific pieces of work. At least with Scorsesse if they are going to do that they should do it for a film that is more indicative of his overall body of work.

[Magrittes Pipe]

1. Never seen "Million Dollar Baby."

"Unforgiven" was a great film.

Still, films like "Mystic River" and "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil" strike me as overwrought.

You're right that awards should not be given out for lifetime achievement (except for lifetime achievement awards, natch). Still, I find it humorous that Marty Scorcese has no best director statues, while Clint Eastwood has two.

[vi5]

4. Clint only won for Unforgiven, right?

Then that makes sense. I can see your points on Mystic River and Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. But he didn't win for those so I guess that makes sense.

[4_Legs_Good]

16. I thought Mystic River and Million Dollar Baby were both great

in years with pretty sh*tty other films.

Agree on Unforgive and Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.

david

[terrya]

2. He'll probably get a Lifetime Achievment Oscar.

There appears to be some animus towards Scorcese in Hollywood vis a vis the Oscars. He did deserve an Oscar for Raging Bull and Taxi Driver (both superb films). Not necessarily for "Age of Innocence". Definitely not for "Gangs of New York" (not one of Scorcese's better films)

I haven't seen "The Aviator" yet, but I thought he would win last night as a recognition of his overall body of work.

[LibDemAlways]

3. The actors branch of the academy will

vote for an actor/director every time. Kevin Costner, Warren Beatty, and Robert Redford all have best director Oscars on their mantles, too.

[joeybee12]

5. Haven't seen either film..will probably see The Aviator, NEVER gonna

see Million Dollar Baby.

Clint is the lamest director in Holywood, in my humble opinion. Every movie (even the dreadful Unforigiven) has been uneven, boring, and emotionally void. He simply cannot direct.

Last night was not so much a snub of Martin (it was, partially--I really do think they hate him) than the Academy members had no firggin taste! I am also really pissed Hilary Swank won again--why is she getting two Oscars for the same character?

That's my rant for today, and I feel better! Thank God I didn't stay up and watch that tripe!:)

[SCDem]

6. So many harsh words for a film you've never and are never going to see

What words do you save for the films you hate that you have seen :shrug:

[joeybee12]

7. Read it again--most of my harsh words are for the movies of Clint's

I have seen--Midnight..etc., Unforgiven, Mystic River...I refuse to see Million $ because I refuse to believe this talentless hack has somehow learned to direct.

[shadowknows69]

11. I didn't think I'd like Unforgiven

another Eastwood western? Who hasn't been there done that. But that was truly a great film. the beginning and ending with the captions about his wife were pure art. It was so awesome to see Morgan Freeman get his due finally too.

[fishwax]

8. They've said that about EVERY SCORSESE movie since Goodfellas

I haven't seen The Aviator, but it doesn't seem too out of step for scorsese to me. He's done biopics well before, and his movies have often considered powerful/successful/romanticized men who were hiding or avoiding inner demons. And he loves Hollywood and film more than anything else and has dealt with those themes extensively in documentaries and in his personal work with film preservation, so a film concerning the glamor and glory of early hollywood doesn't seem out of step to me at all. I haven't seen Million Dollar Baby either, but I was hoping Scorsese would win.

You've singled out The Aviator and Age of Innocence, but every movie of his since Goodfellas has been criticized for being calculated to win the Oscar.

With Casino they mentioned (I remember Newsweek, specifically) that Scorsese brought back the cast and screenwriter of Goodfellas, figuring maybe it would be enough for the Oscar this time around.

With Kundun they said Scorsese was using the Dalai Lama for an Oscar nomination.

With Bringing Out the Dead they said "well, remaking Goodfellas didn't work, so maybe Scorsese thinks remaking Taxi Driver will," since BotD and TD had the same screenwriter.

With Kings of New York, a film Scorsese had been trying to make for 25 years, they said "Marty sure seems to want that Oscar."

I hope Scorsese wins it someday, but I don't think he's desperate for it or tries to win it with specific films. I think he just finds subjects and themes that appeal to him and then, nearly always, does a marvelous job of bringing his vision to the screen.

[joeybee12]

9. Exacamente....

...people are gonna bitch about Martin no matter what. Perhaps its jealousy--he is, without a doubt, the greatest filmmaker of his generation.

[shadowknows69]

10. Scorsese has been robbed

although he's always had some fierce compettition. I really thought they were going to give it to him this year. I think it almost gets to a point with a director like marty where he has done so much spectacular work that the academy kind of pigeonholes them for a lifetime acheivement award in lieu of an annual oscar. Clint Eastwood is a fine director but I don't think he has the unique style that is Scorsese's signature. Am I mistaken in the belief that Lumet had never won one either despite his body of work?

[Gothmog]

12. Backlash against Limbaugh helped Eastwood

Rush has been attacking Million Dollar Baby for about a month due to the treatment of assisted sucide. Some think that Rush's attacks may have pushed some Academy voters into supporting Eastwood over Scorsesese. My son won his dorm pool based on going with Eastwood over Scorsesese.

[sleipnir]

13. Aviator was a hack film, IMO

He deserved to lose for that piece of garbage. While the movie was decent, but with the level Martin S. works on, it was garbage. WTF was he thinking? Taking over a Michael Mann project?

One reason people voted for MDB, and I think a major one, is that it's not a damn epic. We've had our fill of epics to last for the next ten years. It's about time that a "normal" movie won for Best Picture and not just some effects/moviestar-loaded 3 hour overbudgeted film.

[vi5]

14. My feelings exactly...

I despise epics.

[4_Legs_Good]

15. I want to see him win for a more Marty film...

Next time a Goodfellas, Mean Streets, Raging Bull or Casino comes along, I'm on board 100%. I'm glad, however, that he didn't win for one of these "sweeping epics" like Aviator or Gangs of New York.

He's a genius, utterly, and I'd hate his victory to come on one of his mediocre films.

david

[vi5]

17. Thank you...

...a much more succinct way of saying what I was trying to say.