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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:05 PM
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The Lion King
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 07:12 PM by jiacinto
How does Simba's father die? What do you see in the movie?

What are the scenes like?

What is the funeral like? Does Simba seem him die and see the corpse?

Is it graphic
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:07 PM
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1. His brother Scar throws him over a cliff.
Why do you ask Carlos?
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:10 PM
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2. I thought it was the buffalo stampede?
It's been over a decade since I seen the thing tho'.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:13 PM
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5. You could be right.
It's been a while for me too. I remember that Mufassa and Scar were together, having an argument or something, and somehow Mufassa ends up hanging by his fingernails from a cliff. Scar could have saved him, but didn't.... :( Then you have the Circle of Life, and all that crap.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:19 PM
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8. And how did Scar die? Weren't the hyenas involved somehow?
I thought that was where the cliff came in...

Disney villans meeting their ends on cliffs are common.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:32 PM
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16. Yeah, the hyenas ate Scar.
When Simba took over the pride. I think.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:43 PM
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30. But they don't show that!
Just so jiacinto knows.

They don't *show* what happens to Scar, it's kind of implied/done as a shadow of the fire.
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thom1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:39 AM
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32. You are both right.
Mufassa braved the wildebeast stampede to save simba. Once simba was safe, mufassa clawed his way to the top of the gully where Scar waited for him. Mufassa asked scar to help him, and scar grabbed him by the paws and threw him back down the side of the gully to where the wildebeast stampede continued, and he was trampled to death. They don't actually show him being trampled, only him falling into a sea of wildebeast. Really one of the most poignant scenes in Disney, as far as I am concerned, I still get choked up thinking about it.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:24 PM
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11. over the cliff, into the buffalo stampede
actually he's clawing at the cliff asking scar to help him up
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:25 PM
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13. So does Scar push him down here?
And do you see the corpse?
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:31 PM
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15. IIRC, Scar doesn't actually PUSH him, but
as Mufassa starts to lose his grip, Scar doesn't help him. Lets him fall. And you do see the corpse as Simba mourns, but not for long or very graphically (is that a word?).
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:44 PM
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28. Scar does use his claws
To cause Mufassa to lose his grip.

His 'corpse', supposedly trampled by buffalo, is then shown, but it's clean...no blood, no dirt.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:12 PM
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3. Just curious
I saw the ad for it on TV.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:16 PM
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6. It's enjoyable.
Standard Disney "Orphan-fare" in some ways. Not a bad tale all in all.

Some of the animation was visually stunning for it's day I remember.

Music was a BIG plus.

But as I said I haven't seen it recently.




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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:17 PM
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7. Describe the scene
nt
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:23 PM
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9. Which one?
The memory is over ten years old, but the "Water Buffalo" scene is one that was especially striking because they all moved individually.

The Lion King was one of the first cartoons to use CGI I believe.

Also in that vangaurd was a "Voyager?" sequal. (The mice & the albatross?)

This was notable only because of the stunning animation work. The storyline was completely forgettable.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:24 PM
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10. The one where Simba's father dies
nt
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:31 PM
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14. I remember the buffalo stampede...
Simba escaped. Mourning for father is very, very wrenching.

Far beyond the Bambi thing, because earlier there is a musical number from Simba "I Just Can't Wait to be King" and so Simba has guilt issues with having "wished" his father dead.
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foxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:57 PM
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27. Scar set it up
Scar told Simba to go and wait in the valley for a surprise from Mufassa. Meanwhile the hyena's were instructed to wait for Scar's signal to start a stampede through the valley. Scar then goes and gets Mufassa and tells him that Simba is in trouble and that he should go and save him.

Mufassa gets there in the nick of time to throw Simba from a falling branch to the cliff side just out of danger. Mufassa then falls backward back into the stampede and finally manages to get a hold onto the side of the cliff over by Scar. Scar reaches out and sinks his claws into Mufassa's paws and whispers into his ear that this was a set up and that he was not meant to come out of it alive. Then Scar throws Mufassa's paws away from the cliff and he falls down into the stampede and gets trampled to death.

The part where Scar does this to Mufassa is just out of sight of Simba so he does not realize that his uncle is responsible for it.

Scar then tells Simba that the accident is all his fault because he should have listened to his father better and minded more often. He tells Simba to runaway..far away.. and never return. And then he sends the hyenas after simba to kill him but Simba gets away through the thorny bushes.

And that is the scene where Mufassa dies.

I love this movie and could probable tell you scene for scene.

I will be first in line on the 7th to buy it that is for sure.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:12 PM
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4. I like the kudos given to "Roots" Behold the only thing greater...
...than yourself. While presenting an infant to the infinite.

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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:25 PM
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12. And James Earl Jones as Mufassa was perfect voice casting. nt
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:34 PM
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17. Remember when the fundies decided that the
movement of the clouds (or was it smoke?) spelled out the word "SEX"? Dear God, some people have way too much time on their hands. They really should just go bowling!
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:47 PM
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18. Hey! I'm not a fundie,
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 07:49 PM by Loyal
and I saw the clouds spell out SEX too. See for yourself, on this Urban Legends page

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.htm


See? Told you.

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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:03 PM
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19. No,you didn't tell me.
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 08:03 PM by bunnyj
Snopes lists it as "Undetermined".
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:30 AM
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22. Look at the picture yourself
It's obvious that it's spelling out sex, lol.
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ZenLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:32 AM
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23. This might be my new sig line
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 12:46 AM by ZenLefty
I love it!

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ZenLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:46 AM
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24. Rats, they don't allow hyperlinking
I'll edit my post so it's just a big red X. But I do love that .gif :)
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:49 AM
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26. Yeah, it's awesome
:)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 04:40 AM
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31. Or SFX for Special FX, the group who did work on the film...
it isn't uncommon for people who work on films to leave trademarks embedded in the final product.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:19 PM
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20. Here's how it goes.
Scar tricks Simba into going into a small valley. Scar and the hyenas scare a heard of wildebeasts (it ain't no buffalo, you ignoramuses) into stampeding into the valley straight for Simba. Which is a beautifully filmed sequence, and likely to soil the underwears of anybody under the age of five, if that's what your worried about.

Mustafa runs in and saves Simba (throws him into the tree?) and then runs through the herd, getting pretty banged up in the process, that could be pretty frighting too. Mustafa leaps up some rocks and ends up hanging by his four paws. Scar comes along and Simba begs him for help, Scar flips Mustafa some shit and claws Mustafa in the paws (there maybe a small amount of blood letting, don't think so though). Mustafa falls off the cliff into the heard and is lost in the dust. Afterwards Simba approaches his fathers corpse, which I believe is shown, although there is no blood or gore, and tries to wake him up.

Take the four year old to Winnie the Pooh, but Lion King is great for anybody older.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:24 PM
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21. The look on Mufasa's face
When he realizes that his brother, Scar, has betrayed him is really haunting. Also, when Simba curls up against his father's dead body and falls asleep while waiting for Mufasa to awaken -- a real tear jerker.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:34 AM
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25. Interesting
nt
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:38 PM
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29. SEE THIS MOVIE.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 09:45 PM by tjdee
If you never see a Disney animated movie again, see this one. It is the very best one ever made, IMO (I don't count Nemo, as that's Pixar, and it ain't got no songs, LOL!).

The casting is terrific--Jeremy Irons, James Earl Jones, and Matthew Broderick as the adult Simba (the Lion King of the title). Also Whoopi Goldberg, Cheech, Nathan Lane....great cast, really great. Even without the songs, which also add a lot. That first scene, really wonderful.

I saw it first when I was 18, and I was *very* choked up when his father died, and I didn't get choked up about films. Though you do see the dead body, it is very clean--no funeral. Yes Simba sees him die, it is very heartwrenching. It is probably also the most adult of the Disney animated films, IMO, for that reason (and the ending).

I'm not letting my kid watch that for some time. But I thought it was fantastic, and deserved to be the big hit it was.
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