"Don't Put us on a secular humanist altar of sacrifice!" Fundie talk

[Zuni]

This is a live one! More Anti-Xmass accusations from a deluded Christian RWer who supposedly endures constant harrasment from liberals and secularists



Last night I stood in line at my local Border's bookstore waiting to buy a Christmas gift. A charming brunette woman standing next to me struck up a conversation and politely asked me to consider a book on the shelf. The title of it attacked Christmas and angels. As nicely as I could, even wincing in apology, I said, "Well I probably wouldn't like it, Christ is pretty precious to me." The woman's voice raised a notch as she quickly insisted it was a great book, that even Christians would love it and it was just humorous sarcasm. After listening to a long rant as she forced the book in my hand, I politely said, "No thanks, I don't think I'd like sarcasm about things that are holy to me." With a shocked look, her voice became louder as she started berating me, calling me clueless. (I couldn't take too much offense, that's one of my favorite descriptions of myself).

She wasn't quite yelling at me, but in the quietness of Border's bookstore it created a scene. Just then a cashier opened up on the far side of the room and called her over. I think that whole section of the store overheard her rattling off about how embarrassed she was for me. I was stunned. I suppose THIS is one of the enlightened tolerant of the liberal left coast. Perhaps it's all my fault because I forgot to wear my cross necklace, a sure signal that I might not share her sentiments, warding off the whole situation.

Curious, I looked up the book on Amazon.com and read the reviews. All were favorable, calling the book perverse and blasphemous which was why everyone who wrote a review loved it. The previous book by the author was about Jesus as a boy and I can't even repeat how the book began.

Every year the ranks of society are being replenished with bright young adults reverberating their lessons in public school, that Jesus Christ is an acceptable topic only if we are ripping Him apart in the negative. In Chicago, a school bus driver lost her route for objecting to the new Christmas song, "I Hate This Holiday." Driver Carmen Brown said, "I'm a churchgoer. I believe in Jesus and believe Christmas is a Christian holiday, but when they hand my child a piece of paper to learn a song that says, 'I hate the holidays and everything it stands for,' my son is confused."

At the University of Louisville, Professor John McTighe was quoted by columnist Brian Yates as saying "It was the religious zealots who say they were voting on morals. I think we should all buy AK47's and shoot them all! That's what I would suggest, if it were allowed."

And in San Luis Obispo, a woman was shouting at me because I didn't want to join her in ridiculing Christ. I suppose she realized I'm one of those religious fanatics that voted for Bush. (smile) I am. This is the so-called tolerance of atheists and secularists, forcing their hatred and censorship of God on society, demanding only their ideology rule the nation. Humanists, secularists and pluralists demanding we adhere to THEIR hate-filled religion, and anyone who opposes their view will not be tolerated.

I am proud of the majority of our nation. Most of us don't have temper tantrums demanding our way. We have been heard in the voting booths and by our representatives. We have been extremely tolerant as a small minority shrieks to enforce their beliefs. But I say the line is drawn when it comes to our children and public school. We absolutely must defend their religious freedom, including the right to be Christian without being mocked, pressured or reprogrammed into whatever our atheist school system decides to make them. Push me in a bookstore and I will silently take it. Push my child in public school and you will hear from me and my lawyer. I pray all parents rally to the call. Our children desperately need protection. Don't imagine someone else will do the job for you. Carmen Brown won't be able to last long fighting our battles alone. Neither will the Eklunds, or Darla Dowell, people you probably never heard of who have valiantly fought for our children.

Before "The Passion of Christ," Mel Gibson played a courageous and godly man in "The Patriot." At first he refused to get involved with the Revolution, but after his son lay murdered in his arms, after evil and oppression overtook his world, he attacked the soldiers who intended to unjustly hang his other son. We cheered as he fought a bloody battle and freed his family. Afterwards, in moments of reflection, his sister-in-law said, "You've done nothing for which you should be ashamed." The Patriot replied, " I've done nothing, and for that I am ashamed."

Beloved Americans, we should be ashamed. Too many of us have done nothing. Our children have endured sustained attacks on their faith alone in public school and are floundering. We are losing our families, our heritage, our freedom. We prefer to go to movies rather than face conflict. We applaud as heroes forge ahead against impossible odds overwhelmed by the enemy, we live and breathe their victories and identify with them, but we bury our heads at what is happening in our own world and place the spiritual health and well being of our children on a secular altar of sacrifice.

[mac56]

1. Sounds like my neighbor

or at least something he read or heard.

Why do Christian RWers insist on deluding themselves that they are somehow persecuted and injured? They've set up the whole system in their own image - by themselves, for themselves. Yet somehow they're allowed to play the "poor us, we're such victims" game.

[Zuni]

9. In fact, the more RW the area, the more paranoid they are

It is in places like Alabama or Utah that they are the most persecuted, at least according to them.
Remember when the 10 Commandments was taken from Moore's Court House?

[brainshrub]

2. Fundies get sexual satisfaction from feeling persecuted.

It's the only reason I can think of as to why Fundies thank that everyone is out to get them.

It's either that, or they are scared that the rest of the world will do to them what they would like to do to the rest of us.

[Zuni]

6. I think it has to do with the early christians being persecuted

they feel an attachment to the idea that Christians are to be persecuted

[Synnical]

3. He assumes that she supposes

and therefore it leads to "forcing their hatred and censorship of God"?

Please.

[tjdee]

4. Why all the sudden interest in fundies at the Lounge?

It's like we're at the friggin zoo today.

[mac56]

5. 'Tis the season

nm

[tjdee]

7. Zuni's started three of them!

Whoa Zuni, that's a lot.

[Zuni]

10. I thought they were funny

[Zuni]

11. Fundies are funny

At least i get a kick out of paranoid rantings :tinfoilhat:

[Dora]

8. I don't believe a word of it.

I don't believe it at all.

[noshenanigans]

12. You and me both

If it were true the book would be named, and it would be easily verifiable that such Amazon reviews *do not exist*.

Typical.

[Zuni]

15. It is obvious Bullshit

all of the so called encounters in this story are completely transparent bullshit

[Dora]

19. Where do you find these?

And why?

I mean, why torture yourself with this b.s.?

[Az]

20. Speaking as an atheist/SecHum

This story is utter bull. No Humanist speaks out like that. Most of the time we are cautious about letting who or what we are get out. This story reads like a Chick Tract. Next. :mad:

[madison2000]

13. You just never know when someone is fundy irrational

I hired a neighbor of mine to walk my dog while I was working. I did not know her very well, but I knew she loved animals. We walked my dog together a few times. I sometimes walk him off leash because he is slow but is obedient to me.

Anyway, one day I realized that she was walking him without the leash and it made me really nervous. I asked her to please always keep him on the leash unless she had him in a fenced in yard, hers or mine. Well, she argued with me about it- said she prayed before they walked and she did not walk him in a "spirit of fear". I won the battle, but it always seemed like she considered me to be less of a Christian than she was.

Later I learned that she was judgmental towards homosexuals, because someone has to "stand up for God". She also voted for Bush because God told her to vote for him- he is a true Christian. She is clueless about politics and has no interest- that was all she needed to know.

Fortunately, she was pretty good with my dog, but I dreaded our conversations, where she always seemed "holier than thou".

[Zuni]

14. So she gets visions on who to vote for?

Sounds like she is delusional

[madison2000]

16. She watched an hour of the first debate because Survivor wasn't on

and then the answer came to her in prayer.

I asked her if she ever read the newspapers or watched the Sunday political shows and she said no. She is one of those people who really shouldn't vote...

I mean geez, the first debate was his worst!!!

[Zuni]

17. He was piss poor in all three

but the first one, especially with split screens, was a massacre

[Rabrrrrrr]

18. These people are sick, deranged, dangerous fucks

and should be given their damn country.

And I agree with some of the others who have posted here - I think the story is bullshit. It sounds totally implausible, and a typically oh-so-convenient way that fundies like make stories up to help drive home their point.

The out of control berating and making a scene probably involved the woman accidentally dropping her pen, picking it up, and on the way up noticing that unnamed book and saying to the fundy guy "That looks interesting" and after that, probably no more conversation at all.

Assuming the fundy was ever even in a bookstore.

[Az]

21. No they aren't

They are completely within the norms of the human species. Belief, even fundementalist belief, is simply part of our social process. We either figure out a way to deal with it or we become the anomaly.

Added on edit: Dangerous yes. Insane no.

[madison2000]

22. The problem is that their arguments are not publicly accessible

If everything someone tells you they believe comes straight from God, how can you even discuss it?

I am a Christian too, but even my beliefs have to have some basis for defense other than "God said so". Especially when God's position on a lot of things isn't exactly crystal clear!

The fundies tend to see God as a kind of "shortcut" to decision making and it all comes out as kind of crazy.

Yes, you have to wear a seat belt and put a leash on the dog even though you have said a prayer!

[Az]

23. Not a shortcut

I have dealt with a lot of fundies. I would not say their beliefs are a shortcut. In fact a lot of times they create rather convoluted paths to arrive at them. They are extremely reasoned within the construct of their belief set. They show a great apptitude at understanding other's reaction to their belief as well.

About 500 years ago western civilization entered into a new phase we called the age of enlightenment. Many things have been said of this age but one of the more interesting aspects was the fall of moral absolutism. Diversity of societies had forced the acceptance of tolerance as a moral concept. That is you had to accept that others may not believe the same thing as you do. Prior to this most societies were monolithic. One nation, one belief, one moral set of guidelines.

The age of enlightenment fused aspects of humanism to mainline Christianity. This notion seems lost on people these days. They see this notion of tolerance as something inherant to Christianity. They even find passages supporting such notions. But 1500 years of history suggest otherwise.

Tolerance does not come easily or naturally to belief systems. The very notion behind them is that they are right and by definition everyone else is wrong. Thus we see the return of the fundementalists. They do not tolerate. They define everything that is not with them as evil. Evil cannot be tolerated. They may abide because the laws of the land are not with them yet, but they do not tolerate.

[noshenanigans]

24. theyre not sick, theyre liars.

I'm constantly amazed by the sheer balls the Fundies often have when completely fabricating stories to "prove a point".

For them, the end, regardless of whether they follow the Ten Commandments, justify the means.