The ironic thing about right wingers who call dems communists is

[JohnKleeb]

as I said, they want to give us the conditions that led to the Russian Revolution and other revolutions, the republicans rant and rave about the welfare state that FDR helped create yet they want to create conditions perfect for a communist revolution, you know, increasing the gap between the very rich and very poor, abolishing the min wage, making on the job safety conditions bad, no overtime pay. It's so ironic that the republicans have always labeled their liberal opponents, communist sympathizers, yet they want to breed communism by being classist assholes.

[XanaDUer]

1. Because they know if you sling enough mud

some will stick. Or, ask one of them who use the word communist if they really know what it means. The literal definition of the word.

They won't know what to say.

[JohnKleeb]

5. whats even more funny to me is

they try to call Hitler a leftist yet Hitler would have laughed at that and many of Nazis after the war joined right wing groups and were advisors in right wing governments like Col. Peron's.

[XanaDUer]

12. Hitler went after Communists first

Eom.

[JohnKleeb]

13. Yep

Van Der Lubbe, the Dutch bricklayer who did it supposely had communist ties. Hitler always regarded the communists as his enemy, and it's no secret that people like Klaus Barbie, Otto Skorzney helped fascist governments who were very anti communist and anti people.

[BlackVelvetElvis]

2. Of course they do, they have money to make for them and their friends.

I'd like to see just one of them have to live as a member of the working class to support a family for a year.
They live in a bubble and don't care unless it can give them some votes.

[UTUSN]

3. The Irony You Cite Is Correct-on (they create a gap)

But wingnuts have NO sense of irony. They don't GET it or anything at all.

All that aside, they can't SPELL! It just might be a genetic thing.

Check out my Vietnam vet wingnut:

*******QUOTE*******

Example 1: The Truth unlike, Dan id Rather I hadn't stood up and told a lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. and sunk CBS's rating, and CBS is a leftist station, that took some doing.
Enjoy Happy Hour. Come Nov well see who buy drinks (looser that is)

Example 2: God made wingnuts tokeepeftist up tight YAHOOOOO

Example 3: Liberal liberal liberal, his sword is about to stab him

********UNQUOTE*******

[JohnKleeb]

7. I really wanna know whats so bad about being leftist

Leftists have led the way for so many great things in this country and world.

[UTUSN]

9. What's Wrong with L(s)? Look in the Mirror

We're too "nice," too "docile", too RUN OVER by fascist THUGS. That's what's wrong with us.

[JohnKleeb]

11. hah I can be nasty to those thugs if I want to be

This is the party of working men and women, and their party, its the party of the CEO who sits on his ass and makes a billion dollars for just being there.

[2Design]

4. FDR state was great for the majority

it wasn't as far as socialist countries but it was good for the working person.

[JohnKleeb]

6. FDR is my poltiical hero

He led the way for a lot of things.

[2Design]

14. ME too and since I realize what maria shriver dad did - he is up in

esteem too

Eleanor was great too and Teresa would be wonderful for the usa and the world and to give her the WH as a stage to do so many good things - she is what sold me on kerry -

[JohnKleeb]

15. Sargent Shriver, oh and Elanor Roosevelt

What a woman. Teresa is great, but I've always liked Kerry though I see him being more like Jack Kennedy than he would be like Roosevelt but he could be like him, he has the greatness.

[The Straight Story]

8. In my experience

Some see the value of 'state' (if you will) but see the left as wanting everything major to be run on a national level and not local - to them this is bad (like a huge company running things instead or a group of smaller companies running things).

The more power we give the feds over our lives the more people like Bush will have control over things, whereas on a local level we can allow for more diversity and experimentation of ideas (and how those ideas handle local needs which differ by region).

The idea of 'communism/socialism/et al' is often lumped together by the right and seen as restrictive to the overall freedoms because they see the feds having more power as us having less power. One of the problems in that (with respect to some areas) is that there are common goals all areas share (like roads and defense) which can be managed well by a comprehensive system of pooled resources better (imho) than a loose fitting group of 50 states all with varied ideals and gaps in areas which could affect those most in need.

It is a tight rope walk in some ways - have a federal program which treats problems as a large group and which can often overlook the smaller regional issues or drop federal power of some issues (like health care) and push those to the states which have a better idea of waht works at their local level. Police, fire, and such are handled on a local level - the idea of nationalizing them and other services is considered by many to be 'communism' - but on a grand scale - which I think what many are opposed to. IE they think it is ok on a small scale but oppose it on a larger one (again, putting too much power into the national ruling class and sucking it away from the local lawmakers).

Why do I mention all this? I have spent a lot of time on many boards and this is the overall sense of things I have gotten. They see communism as the old russian system of things - over centralization and inefficient as well as bad for overall human rights. But many on the right side see things differently when discussing local issues and taxation and the betterment of the whole on a small level (again, pooling resources for police and road repair could be seen as a form of socialism which they tie to communism and old russia).

True diversity is not based on centralism of power by any group, but pooling resources of the broader group can be beneficial for the basic needs of the populace (like interstates and health care) and should not be shelved due to rhetoric from the right that such things are 'communist'. Defense? they love it. Roads? Love em. Health care for all? Well, worry about that on your own buddy. It shows their true colors IMHO.

The whole idea of national defense is that we want to protect the populace so that they can live free and long happy lives. Health care is just as important - adopting a national health care plan can save more lives, many more lives, and that fits in with a 'defense' plan to me.

Ok, WAY off track - sorry about that! Just needed to vent.

[JohnKleeb]

10. its ok I appreciate it

It's ironic, I was debating with a republican yesterday who I like and respect as a person but he believes in abortion rights with no exceptions yet he doesn't believe health care is a right.