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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:26 PM
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Confession: I despise the (Pacino) "Scarface" remake
Everyone in my generation is enamored with the 80's remake, but, like the insipid "Matrix" trilogy, I'm left with the impression they can't discern mediocrity from the sublime.

The original (Howard Hawks version) was visceral, haunting, sardonic, even exuberant; DePalma's version is graceless and, oddly enough, boring. And it offered one of Pacino's worst performances.

Give me the original any day of the week.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:40 PM
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1. I can't sit through this version--too damn bloody for my tastes
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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:45 PM
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2. I don't like it either....
in no way a remake of the Paul Muni (now THERE was an actor!) film of the same title....Al Pacino looks terrible (really bad haircut by the way) and what reason do I have to feel sympathy for anyone in this excuse for an operatic celebration of stupid violence? So what if a bunch of drug cartel characters off each other in explicit detail, it's like porno substituting violence for sex..."who cares" or "what a waste" was my initial reaction upon seeing it...

However I can see why it's the holy grail for people who really dig a celebration of evil...
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:04 AM
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5. Agreed
"However I can see why it's the holy grail for people who really dig a celebration of evil..."

You're quite right, countfloyd. A documentary which chronicled the film's success in popular culture revealed that "Scarface" is popular with elements within the Mafia and the so-called "gangstas". No surprise: I doubt those thugs could grapple with an (infinitely) more nuanced piece of art--say, Milton's "Paradise Lost"--that actually does explore depravity and evil with tremendous success.

Pathetic.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:49 PM
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3. gosh - none of us like it
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 11:50 PM by Kennethken
I didn't see the original, but the Depalma version is far too violent for my taste. I've only seen it once, and that was more than enough for me.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:56 PM
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4. overrated piece of crap..
just wanted to weigh in.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:19 AM
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6. I LOVE the original Scarface.
I've seen it a number of times, and I have a copy of it on tape. The remake took the title and perhaps a theme or two (such as the weird 'relationship' with his sister) and wrote an entirely different story.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:04 AM
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7. It is a very powerful film, but not a good film
It works on a very visceral level. The narrative is primitive and simplistic. I have probably seen it a dozen times, but I have never said "I'm gonna sit down and watch Scarface" I will come into a room, it will be playing, and before I know it I have watched it again.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:08 AM
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8. Al Pacino is no Paul Muni, that's for sure.. n/m
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:38 AM
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9. Well, I liked it
I just saw it for the first time a few weeks ago, and I thought it was pretty good. Probably not Oliver Stone's best screenplay, but a good effort. BTW, Stone also co-wrote the screenplay to "Conan the Barbarian." There's some trivia for y'all.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:38 AM
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10. I heard about that
Imagine: a collaboration between a leftist (Stone) and a right-winger (John Milius, the director) on a project involving an Aryan fantasy?

Stranger things have happened.
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