Evolution or Creationism - Which do you believe?

[elperromagico]

[Bertha Venation]

1. the biblical creation is a fable

Lord knows when people decided to take it literally, but once someone did, no one who subsequently received that teaching ever stopped to think.

[MissAnnThrope]

30. Depends On The Creation Fable

If you've ever read the Gnostic creation fable, it kind of makes sense.

Basically, the other Gods found Adam of Light really, really annoying. So they created man and woman, named the first man Adam and gave humanity to Adam of Light to play with. In other words, we are the playthings of an idiot God.

[Bertha Venation]

44. Sorry, MissAnn. IMO, fables make sense to children.

Or to those who choose to remain childlike, the better to perpetuate their "faith."

Perhaps I should've used a clearer word:

Fantasy.

Here's a better one:

Fiction.

[yellowcanine]

2. I believe Jerry Falwell to be evidence against the theory of evolution.

Heh.

[lil-petunia]

4. oh shit

you have a point.

[jukes]

15. nah!

he's just a throwback, like the chimp.

[Gothic Sponge]

3. Evolution

[onebigbadwulf]

5. We can see stars....

that alone disproves literal creationism.

[smada]

As a Deist, I believe in God

and I believe it's perfectly conceiveable that God created evolution.

I really don't understand why they're seen as mutually exclusive.

[onebigbadwulf]

13. Im a deist too and they're mutually exclusive

in terms of biblical creationism (which is implied when talking of creationism).

IE literal interpretation of the bible
IE adam and eve and talking snakes


You're right though, general spontaneous formation of the universe does not contradict evolution.

[smada]

18. Who said I took the Bible literally?

That's why I'm a deist.

[Bunny]

32. I don't have a problem thinking that God (or the Almighty)

created evolution. I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive.

[salvorhardin]

6. but I thought...

What!? You mean the Earth wasn't custom built by Slartibartfast (simply beautiful fjords!) and crew under orders from super-intelligent mice from another dimension to calculate the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything!?

[arcane1]

8. the Magratheans planted the phony dinosaur bones, too

I don't know why people insist on this evolution nonsense, when the earth is clearly the Computer Which Followed Deep Thought

:silly:

[Maple]

7. Neither one

We're still guessing, and using bits and pieces of knowledge gained to shore up our favorite of only two views.

[slackmaster]

9. Creationism exists

There's no question about it, so in that sense I believe in it.

If you ever have an hour to kill in Santee, CA the Institute for Creation Research Museum is a hoot.



See http://www.icr.org/museum/

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

10. Evolution is NOT my choice

for e-mail programs. I prefer Mozilla. :evilgrin:

[baldguy]

11. Biblical Creationists always look for proof to support thier belief.

But to whole concept of "faith" is that you can believe something without proof.

[Hobarticus]

12. It's evolution, baby!

With a nod to Pearl Jam...

[DrWeird]

14. Alright? Who's the joker?

nt

[jukes]

16. i've taken a vow

to stay out of religion discussions: i'm an intolerant atheist. but i voted, you can guess.

[BlueJazz]

24. I know what you're saying....Fellow DU'er...

I'm probably the most intolerable person in all of DU when it comes to the "Sky Fairy" Bullshit..

[Taverner]

17. Um...no brainer

Which one actually happened and can be proven...as opposed to which one is the fairy tale that even most adherents don't buy...

[TowelBoy]

34. Yeah, evolution is so stupid

Just kidding!

[JohnLocke]

19. Evolution is part of God's plan.

It's not an either/or situation.

[DrWeird]

21. Alright.

Now explain detachable retinas.

[jpgray]

27. That doesn't make sense to me

If you can't explain the origin of something, it's not good logic to invent something else that's inexplicable to explain it. Further, creating something that is only defined by its ability to fill in contemporary gaps in our understanding of the world is creating a fairy tale stand-in for actual knowledge. Since the abstraction is created to fill in these gaps, the fact that it does fill them in isn't an affirmation of that abstraction's existence.

Empirical evidence of God cannot be objectively or repeatably observed, and therefore the explanation that fits all the facts is that God is an invention of humans.

[Darranar]

35. So what is God's plan?

Amusement for a few billion years?

[nuxvomica]

36. You may be right

Evolution could be a test from God to see if humans can use the talents given them -- senses and reason -- to interact harmoniously with the world He has created. Such harmony world require an understanding of nature devoid of pretension, in which case Creationism may actually be an occasion for sin.

[Endangered Specie]

20. 15% for Creation or both??? WTF?

guess its proof that every group has its idiots.

[mr blur]

22. Well, one seems self-evident...

and the other is at best an act of faith and at worst, well... garbage.

[Khephra]

23. Devo-lution!

[Mr. McD]

25. What no Panspermia?

:wtf:

[slutticus]

26. What kind of a god...

...would create this?





:P

[DrWeird]

28. One with a sense of humor.

What kind of God would give us progeria (nature's cruelest hoax)?

[TowelBoy]

33. A KICK ASS GOD!

That's who!

LOOK AT HOW COOL THAT THING IS!

[gmoney]

40. A drunk god?

"What am I gonna do (hic) with these spare parts? I got a warehouse full of flat bills and otter remnants..."

The best part is that it freakin' lays EGGS.

[slutticus]

41. Did you know that they are venomous?

"The male Platypus has a sharp, hollow, horny spur about 15 millimeters long on the inside of both hind leg ankles. This is connected to a venom gland which produces a very strong toxin. The spur can be used in defense against predators (the venom can cause excruciating pain in humans and is strong enough to kill a dog.) but the fact that it is restricted to the male - and that the gland reaches its greatest development in the mating season - suggests that it is normally employed in aggressive encounters between males."

http://home.iprimus.com.au/readman/plat.htm


That is one F'ed up creature.

[Raiden]

29. Staunch evolutionist here...

I personally believe that it is *CRAZY* to believe in a God. I mean, I will not believe in things that cannot be proven by mathematics or science, WILL NOT. Evolution can be seen, it has been seen, it is THE most reasonable explanation for life, as opposed to the Biblical Creation. Frankly, I think most of the Old Testament is nothing more than bedtime stories, I mean two of each animal on earth in a big boat? C'mon.

While on the subject of Christian 'mythology' I do believe that it is possible to be a Christian and an atheist/agnostic, because CHRISTianity is basically the sum of the teachings of Christ, which I greatly admire and wish the majority of Christians would follow, you know 'support the poor,' 'do not prejudge,' 'turn the other cheek,' etc. I think, like Thomas Jefferson, that it is extremely important to distinguish between Christ the person and Christ the myth.

Whoa! Way off topic. Anyway, I believe in evolution because it can be proven whereas creationism cannot, and I don't accept that you have to have 'faith' because I personally believe that that is just a way for religions to keep people from questioning their mythology. I want tangible evidence, nothing more, nothing less.



Hope I didn't step on anyone's toes...

[elperromagico]

31. You didn't step on my toes.

I can't speak for anyone else, though.

But I see too many people (Bush comes to mind) who embrace Christ publically, but in their actions reflect no knowledge of his teachings at all. It's a shame, really. There's much of value in Christ's teachings.

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[Darranar]

38. I think that the Theory of Evolution...

has an extremely high probability of being correct.

[flaminbats]

39. Faith can make giants out of men...

[silverlib]

42. I'm still searching....

probably always will be, but right now am at the stage where I definitely believe in evolution, but think the creation story, which is in many religions, is the story of enlightenment, where man and woman evolved to the point of free will, the difference between other animals and humans.

[nemo137]

43. I really have no problem believing in a craftsman God

who allows evolution.