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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 04:09 PM
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Anyone have any info on converting cars to EV's?
That is electric vehicles. I know it's one of Tom Hanks pet projects, but I'm thinking of getting my Saturn converted to an EV, and then getting solar panels. Basically I want Bush to shove that oil up his monkey ass!

Anyone know anything about it (the EV's, not Bush's monkey ass)

Hi Agent Mike!
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 04:12 PM
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1. EV's?
electoral votes?

:)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 04:12 PM
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2. Sorry Electric Vehicles
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 04:13 PM
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3. It's not much of a tip, but...
Edited on Sat May-01-04 04:16 PM by htuttle
There was a show running on the discovery channel(s) (incl. TLC) this month called 'Sucking Amps' that was about converting a postal van into an EV dragster. While it didn't win against a gas powered vehicle, it created so much torque they kept having to repair the custom axle assembly they'd built (ripped right through retaining pins).

One thing I learned about the process that I didn't realize before was the complexity of the voltage controller. When you are dealing with thousands of amps (seriously...LOTS of motorcycle batteries), you can't just use a dimmer switch for the gas pedal, apparently.

Don't know if it will be on again, but you might keep your eyes out for it.

on edit: speling, and I wanted to add that except for the voltage controller and the rear drive box, most of the rest of their parts were 'found' or off the shelf.
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 04:24 PM
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4. EV'ers know
A big 10" is a good thing! :evilgrin:
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ProudGerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 04:26 PM
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5. Solar panels will never provide enough juice to run your car
There's a reason why those solar powered cars that you see on TV weigh only a couple of hundred pounds, and not the 1 ton+ your Saturn weighs.

So, you're gonna have to replace your combusion engine with an electric motor, and a bank of batteries. Here's a list of the major problems that I can think of off the top of my head.

1. Mounting said motor- Will be a bitch to say the least. I doubt there are any electric motors out there that will just bolt on to your Saturn. So, at the very least, you'll have to rip out the current engine cradle, and weld in a new one that you fab yourself.

2. Trasmission- again, will not bolt up, would require extensive fab work yourself. And if your Saturn has an automatic transmission, don't expect it to last long, the Torque of an electric motor will shred that in not too long a time.

3. Batteries- you're gonna need lots of them. Batteries are heavy, at least any that would hold enough charge to be worth a damn. I'm aboslutely postive that extensive modification of your suspension system would be required, unless you don't mind the idea of your shocks coming up through the floor boards. Your Saturn just wasn't designed to hold the amount of weight a bank of batteries would weigh, and where you'd end up having to put them.


Do yourself a huge favor, buy a hybrid, or a purpose built electric car, if any of those are on sale. Converting a current combustion car to an electric car would cost many times over the cost of a hybrid.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 04:31 PM
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6. I'm all for buying a purpose built EV
But GM stopped selling them and took the ones they made awway (gee...i wonder who paid who for that one... :eyes:)

If you know where I can buy a decent small 4-seater EV PLEASE LET ME KNOW! But all I could find were converters and conversion kits.

As for the solar panels, I nkow I wont be able to totally power it, but the less oil I burn, the better.

I would get a hybrid, but they still burn like 40-50mpg. Admittetly thats better than my current car (32 mpg) but it's a lot. And to boot, the waiting list is 6-8 months here, and congress is considering passing legislation limiting the further import of those cars (under the guise of protecting American jobs :eyes:) and there isn't a plant that makes, or even plans to make, hybrid vehicles.

Oh, but theyre building a fucking Hummer plant in Socal!
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 04:32 PM
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7. Nope, but I can get you info on converting a diesel car to run on . . .
vegetable oil :).

http://www.greasecar.com/

I've seen these conversions in action, and they're really quite cool (as long as you don't mind your car smelling like it's belching frenchy fry exhaust instead of diesel exhaust) :)
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 08:06 PM
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8. The only successful conversion I know of...
was done on a Volkswagen bus. I don't have a link, sorry.

Here's the basic stuff he did...

1. He started with a regular Volkswagen Bus that had a regular but seized Volkswagen engine in it. Out came the engine, the transmission, the gas tank, all the fuel-system components...

2. He then bought a 150-hp industrial electric motor. You want one that runs on three-phase AC power--DC motors are less efficient. You can get these in all sorts of voltage ratings; if you can find a 72-volt motor, great. Fortunately for you, VW Buses are capable of being pushed around pretty easily with a 75-hp motor, and they'd be easier to find. I was going to suggest a reach-truck motor, but they're probably too small. (I can't say for certain, because no one who makes reach trucks tells you how big the motors are.)

3. Battery time. Forget car batteries; what you want are forklift batteries, specifically Exide Workhogs. (An aside: We run Exide Workhogs on all our lifts. There is a cute little cartoonish drawing of a razorback boar on the batteries. I don't think there's been a day gone by when some little kid will point at the machine and go, "there's a pig on that machine!") With a 72-volt motor you will need two batteries because these are 36-volt batteries. You also need a DC-AC converter that puts out three-phase power.

4. Now is the time to beef up the suspension. The battery on my forklift weighs 1200 pounds. You will have two batteries, the motor and the variable-frequency drive, so you're looking at about a ton and a half of power system weight. A VW Bus engine weighs around 300 lbs.

5. At this time you need a machinist. Pick one who really likes to experiment and show up with lots of money in your checking account. He is going to do two things. The first is to modify the end of the armature on the motor so you can bolt a VW flywheel to it. He will then convert part of the VW engine case into a mount for the motor.

6. Next, you need a variable-frequency drive. This is the Modern Electronic Equivalent of a gas pedal. The VFD makes sure the motor is running at the same RPM no matter what load you put on it, which means it's a fairly complex computer. I would mount this somewhere it can get a lot of cooling air; they get very hot. This device is why you must have a three-phase motor; VFDs don't work on DC or single-phase power.

7. A trip to a steelyard will gain you some channel iron, which you use to beef up the floor where the batteries are. Bus floors will not support those huge batteries otherwise.

8. An industrial electrical supplier will furnish 25 feet of copper wire that has conductors about as big around as your thumb. I don't know the gauge, but it is probably something like octuple-zero gauge. Alternately, my electrical department sells half-inch solid copper ground rods, which could be run through half-inch PVC pipe. Raymond's electric forklifts run the power from the VFD to the drive motor over solid copper bar stock, and it works for them so it should for you too.

9. Now start bolting everything together. You'll need the flywheel out of the Bus and a clutch kit. You could modify the armature so you wouldn't need a clutch, but the Bus I remember had a clutch in it--it was cheaper to go with the clutch than to screw with making an internally-fluted hole in the armature. I guess you could weld the centerpiece out of a clutch disc to the armature after boring the armature to accept the pilot shaft end...but that would have required tearing down the motor.

10. If you want a slick finishing touch, run the charger cables up to the fuel filler door.

Alternate plan: buy a used reach truck, tear it apart and use the drive system in a car. Then learn how to write software to allow the EV to go faster than 8 MPH.
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Briarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 08:18 PM
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9. I've worked on a solar car...
and as the solar cells today go, you'll never get enough power out of the surface area on a saturn. There's really no way to have a feasable solar car. Solar cells just aren't efficient enough. Just go hybrid. If you really want to try solar, look at it for your house. If you're in the south, especially the desert SW it might be worth it.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 08:42 PM
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11. I was thinking EV car, solar house
then produce the energy to power the car

I'll still draw off the grid, just much much less....
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 08:30 PM
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10. I heard there's someway to redo a Yugo

so it gets almost 100mpg.

Never found proof, though.

Probably just an urban legend.
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