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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:48 PM
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Would the DNC undermine moveon.org?
It just occurred to me that Terry McAuliffe's hasty repudiation of moveon and the controversial ad (on Crossfire Tuesday) could mean that the DNC bigwigs consider moveon too close to Dean.

Is that possible?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:51 PM
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1. Does it matter?
I got a letter from my local DNC asking for donations. I wrote them back and told them, when they start backing real Democrats and the real Democratic Party, and if they replace Terry McAuliffe, then I might consider, but not until then.
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netrally Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:01 AM
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16. MoveOn apologized too
I'm not sure what Terry McAuliffe said exactly, but there's no reason not to condemn the ad, as it's clearly in poor taste (though Bush was the one who said it would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship). Regardless, condemn the ad, move on. They can't make much noise beyond that. Plus they always say, "any news is good news" so this might just be free publicity for moveon.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:55 PM
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2. interesting...
what the hell is Terry's problem? that guy needs to get fired.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:42 PM
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10. in any other walk of life, he'd've been canned two years ago
after the 2002 elections.

You don't get results? BYE!
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:44 PM
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11. I whole-heartedly agree...
I think he's proven useful at fund-raising, so keep him for that. But he has no idea how to lead a party...hell, I could do a better job than him handling the press.

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demothinker Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:55 PM
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3. I doubt it's because they're too close to Dean
My bet would be that the DNC would do it because MoveOn is undermining the DNC's power and making them look bad by mobilizing people where the DNC has failed. Would the DNC do that? Certainly-the powerful tend to resent challenges to their power, regardless of party affiliation. It's our job to keep them from being able to do anything about it.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:25 PM
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4. With the apology I saw moveon.org gige...
I have lost all respect for them!
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:58 PM
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7. moveon.org deserves the utmost respect
They had to give the apology or the right wing media would have ate them alive over it and totally discredited the ad spot that does win the contest. Sometimes you just have to swallow your pride and do something you don't agree with.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:52 PM
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5. It's strategic. They really love them.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:56 PM
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6. The DNC can shove it
moveon.org is quite possibly the best thing to happen to liberals and democracy in general for a LONG time.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:44 PM
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13. Move on is great but the apology was weak ass.
I really hope the don't back down like this again when the are clearly in the right.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:00 PM
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8. Nah, MoveOne has 1.7 million reasons to be loved
It's a whoopass guerrilla alternative to the RR's use of religious, NRA and assorted other network - but packaged in one nice big wallop.

Officially, a bit young and brash (hey, it's those pesky internet-savvy brats ya know, can't control those) and really, really an adorable electoral asset.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:41 PM
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9. moveon should never have apologized.
it makes them look like they made some kind of "mistake". Like they were indeed "guilty" or something.

HUGE HUGE HUGE mistake. Never apologize in a circumstance like this. Stand up for yourself.

Balls, people. Who's got 'em?
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:51 PM
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12. DNC vs. moveon.org
Moveon.org came into existance by Clinton supporters when he was impeached urging people that what Clinton did was nothing, that the nation needed to "move on" to more important things. Terry McAuliffe is Clinton's hand-picked leader.

Why would anyone associate the DNC wanting to undermine moveon.org, both of which have strong Clinton ties, and why would you believe moveon.org to be supporting Dean?

I have heard people comment that they believe that Clinton wants the party to lose in 2004 to pave the way for Hillary in 2008. I don't think you were saying that, but if you believe you're onto something, could that be a motive?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:08 AM
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14. What did McAuliff say about the ad on Crossfire. Then I might have an
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 01:10 AM by KoKo01
opinion about whether the DNC/DLC is trying to undermine "Move On."

But, I do think some elements of DLC are trying to undermine Dean. I don't see a connection between Move On and Dean unless it's because they've both gotten individual donation from Democrats who are sick of the DNC/DLC's inaction. In that way both Dean and Move On. are "independent" and therefore could be attacted by those who want to hold onto the Party Machine and the Money that funnels into it.
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Serenity-NOW Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:20 AM
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15. Forget the DNC, they won't step up to the plate...
and tell the candidates who the real target is. This whole ego trip has got to go and the DNC cannot tolerate attacks on Democratic candidates by Democratic candidates or the DNC leadership must be replaced with true visionaries that recognize this game only server the repukes. I'm sick of their position and they got turned down for my contribution which went instead to MoveOn. Those guys ROCK!
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:50 AM
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17. DNC and RNC are both trying to smear
so that the next step will be when moveon goes to networks to run their ads, the corporate controlled media will say, "look, we can't run ads from you anymore, you're too radical and our other advertisers are concerned." Whoever wins this contest, it's a good bet that some networks, besides Faux, will refuse to run their ads that did not before this manufactured incident.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:52 AM
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18. Is Bush corrupt?
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