Is Freeper propaganda backfiring on itself?

[Must_B_Free]

I think what they do is try to pick what they identify as non productive, devisive issues to occupy our greater effort on the board. However, I suspect they may stir up more trouble than they intend to sometimes.

The latest example is the Bush/Hitler comparison. If you follow, the steath freepers try to say "This issue will hurt us in 04". However, I submit that
1. Bush is not Hitler and never will be.
2. Nazism cannot be rekindled as Nazism but only as an new movement similar in method.
3. The similarity in method of totalitarian power grab DEMANDS that Bush be compared to Hitler. - That is the part that makes them whine. Their defense is to try to define Hitler only by his murders and the political currents of victims and aggressors of that era. So they attempt to reframe as a defense.

If you look at the facts, to not compare Bush to Hitler is INSANE. The similarities demand it. Don't blame us.

So I think this is a good example of a Freeper strategy coming back and backfiring on them.

[Gin]

1. sit back and watch them implode.......

gin

[Homer12]

2. Maybe, but most people...

...Think of Genocide first before the totalitarian power grab.

Right-Wing Clones and many people will not be able to get beyond this.

I hope your right.

[AndyTiedye]

16. But PNAC HAS Proposed Genocide!

It's right there in "Rebuilding America's Defenses" p.60.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

"And advanced forms of biological warfare
that can “target” specific genotypes may
transform biological warfare from the realm
of terror to a politically useful tool."

The only thing stopping them is that they don't have
these genocide germs yet. (But we can be that our
tax dollars are being spent to develop them).


We have to do better than just calling them Nazis.
We have to expose PNAC, so the people can come
to that conclusion themselves.

[demothinker]

3. Here's the problem

If you make comparisons to Hitler, no matter their validity, you will accomplish two things with most people: 1) You will have them automatically tune you out, and 2) They will think that you are so anti-Bu$h and blinded by anger at him that you are not a reasonable thinker on the issues. I think any strategy that compares Bu$h to Hitler is doomed to miserable failure and backfiring.

[RandomKoolzip]

4. How come that doesn't work when

conservatives compare anti-war folks or Tom Daschle to Osama Bin Laden? Howw come the American people don't get the impression that the accusers in those cases are not "blinded by anger" and not "reasonable thinkers on the issues?"

Any republican who tries to dictate strategy to us is doomed to failure.

[waylon]

8. because we dont respond until after the fact!

[demothinker]

9. Do you really think

Anyone not already drinking the kool-aid thinks that Rush's comparisons of Daschle to Osama have any merit? Please, the same strategy fails when the conservatives try it as well, so don't give me this "you don't agree with my point of view so you're a Republican!" crap...

[RandomKoolzip]

13. I'm not calling you a republican...

I'm complaining about letting republicans frame the terms of debate and define OUR parameters. The more we listen to republicans who will seize on the slightest detail to derail our momentum, the more we will fail...we need to steer our own course.

And yes, I personally know people who do not drink the kool-aid who think that anti-war protestors are "terrorists" and "friends of Osama." We're playing hardball with the big boys, finally...I don't think MoveOn should have backed down.

[Cat Atomic]

14. I agree. They shouldn't have backed down.

I keep hearing defensive arguments from Republicans about why Bush isn't Hitler. Republicans scrambling to make defensive arguments against a wild accusation. It's like Bizarro World, and it's actually refreshing.

[waylon]

15. I think these types of characterizations

are the "reason" repubs are always framing the terms, and dictating the topics of discussion. We are playing into their hands.

Mr and Mrs America wont buy into these ads and the repubs will seize on that. We need to focus on our candidates and our issues, not call names.

[demothinker]

17. My mistake

I misunderstood your Republican reference. Mea culpa.

[Tempest]

12. Just remind them of how the rightwing treated Hillary

Their favorite is Hitllery.

[Loonman]

5. Moveon already issued a coherent and concise statement

http://moveonvoterfund.org/smear/release.html


But Freepers are too dumb to figure that out.

Maybe they're still writing "legal briefs" about "memogate".

I got some legal briefs for the freeps. Right here.

[demothinker]

10. MoveOn.org doesn't like comparisons of Bush to Hitler, so

they must be Republicans, eh? ;)

Nah, they just know there is no value to it. It will just turn people off.

[waylon]

6. Its fear mongering and not effective

We accuse the neocons of stirring up fear among people about possible threats to our country, now it appears that we too are equally guilty of it! Thats the appearance anyway. Unless I am wrong, I cant imagine anything more frightful than having Hilter in office, agreed? Is this the right tactic in 04?

As I said in another post, we should be ready to labled McCarthyites if we are going to start labeling bushco facists or nazi's. Miserable failure is more in line with what swing voters will respond to, not nazi.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. Bush is NOT Hitler!!!

So stop saying that! :evilgrin:

[waylon]

11. I think the question is...

do we want to throw sticks and stones or, win an election?

I really could care less if bush is characterized as a nazi etc but does calling names REALLY help our chances in 04? I cant imagine jon and jane middle america actually taking these ads seriously. They will however, take seriously the repub response.

Unfair yes, but its also true. Id rather win the election and save the name calling for something less important, like my coworkers.