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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:16 PM
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What NRA Leaders Are Saying (nasty stuff)

http://www.nraleaders.com/

"…no more than five to ten people in a hundred who die by gunfire in Los Angeles are any loss to society..."


"Apartheid isn't that cut and dry. All men are not created equal..."


"If we win, we'll have a president where we work out of their office."


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do american hunters think like this? isn't it the american hunters who love the NRA? maybe the women who know hunters could tell us.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:18 PM
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1. That's Why I Call The NRA "Nuts Ruining America"
A once-reputable organization being run into the ground by assholes in their leadership ranks.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:09 PM
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8. I Like that...
I remember a Pre-9/11 Dennis Miller urging Americans to "...strive for a day when NRA stands for Not Relevant Anymore."
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:20 PM
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2. Why do they hate America so?
"All men are NOT created equal??" :wtf: :wtf:

Sounds like someone would be more comfortable somewhere where "all men are created queal" ISN'T the central tenet of the nation (or was, before the Old American Republic was ground underneath th eheels of Tyrants).

Why do they hate America so?
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 04:07 AM
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10. But all people are NOT born or created equal...
now before you freak out and hit alert, please read what I actually write carefully. I half-heartedly support AA, at least until we can get rid of the last vestiges of racial prejudice, but one day I'd like to see AA gone, and people judged exclusively by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin.

People are not created equal, and this country wasn't founded on the idea that everybody is equal in every way. This should be obvious. Some people are better looking for others, some have a better personality than others or a better, more efficient brain, some are born with trust funds, some people like coleslaw and some don't, et cetera. We're a diverse crowd. What this country was founded on was the idea that everybody should be equal before the law, that there shouldn't be special perks based upon who you are, how much money you have, et cetera. In other words, everybody is supposed to be accountable to the same laws, and given the same general opportunities as everybody else. It doesn't always work out that way, but that's the goal.

It's not even illegal to discriminate against people in most cases. It's only illegal to discriminate against people based upon certain characteristics (listed in Title 7) that are not subject to change, or the result of personal choices, like if you're handicapped, or based upon race, gender, ethnicity, national origin, religion, et cetera.

EVERYBODY who has ever applied for a job and hasn't gotten it has been discriminated against, and it's only illegal if this discrimination was based upon one of the characteristics listed in Title 7. For example, if 50 white guys (or 50 black women or 50 Asian hermaphrodites or 50 midget albino lesbian Eskimos or whatever, I'm not trying to offend anybody, but trying to make sure people realize that in this example the important thing is that all the applicants are identical except one has a degree and 49 don't) of the same age are the only applicants for a job, and only one has a college degree, and that one gets hired because he's got a degree and none of the other applicants have a degree, the 49 people who didn't get the position were discriminated against, but it's not because of something listed in Title 7, instead it's a factor of marketability, education, et cetera. I don't have a problem with this kind of discrimination, as long as that's the real root of the discrimination, instead of just a smokescreen to hide other prohibited discrimination.

It's legally acceptable to discriminate in housing, too, as long as it's not based upon those Title 7 characteristics. Got pets? Got pets you enjoy having nasty sex with in public areas? Don't bathe regularly because you're lazy and show up at the viewing stinking of 4 month old sweat? Got a really bad credit rating, with a long list of delinquencies and evictions? Hell, make $125K a year and want to move into a section 8 apartment? Then you can be LEGALLY discriminated against.

Anyway, enough rant. My point is that the "all men are created equal" needs to be updated. It should read "All people are inherently equal in the eyes of the law, and should get the same general opportunities."
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:27 PM
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3. I am a hunter, and a gun owner
I don't think this way.
I refuse to join the NRA, because their extremist approach is causing so much polarization on the issue that they are hurting gun rights instead of supporting them. People look at the asinine fanatics in NRA and assume that anyone who owns a gun is just as crazy. It's almost a hate group anymore.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:44 PM
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5. The extreme right lunatic fringe has taken over
by joining up and getting their head nutcases in control. Then they proceed to marginalize and push out regular people. They turn the organization into something so insane that normal people like yourself refuse to join.

I think that's how they've slowly but surely been taking over everything for the past 20 years or so.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:04 PM
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6. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up
Look at the pre-Reagan NRA, and especially pre-Wayne LaPierre. It was a gun-sports advocacy group-hunting, trapshooting, etc. Whether you like these things or not, you have to admit that it's become much more fanatical in the last 2 decades.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:35 PM
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4. No, they don't
The hunters I know hold their nose and send in their money because the NRA has convinced them that liberals want to take their guns away, period. They see the NRA as a necessary and effective evil. These people are generally nice, calm, honest citizens who can't imagine life without a gun. However, about 10-15% of them are angry, paranoid, loudmouth idiots that give all the other hunters a bad name.

I don't hunt and I don't want to, but there are a lot of serious, thoughtful hunters who care deeply about the environment. Somehow we've got to convince them that gun control is all about keeping guns, mainly handguns and so-called assault weapons, out of the wrong hands.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 06:55 AM
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11. Gun Control
Honestly, it's not the Republicans who've convinced hunters that Democrats want to ban or confiscate guns; several high profile Democrats have done this. Diane Feinstein has said in interviews that she favors an outright ban and confiscation, the same for Charles Schumer. A few days ago, a New Jersey state senator wanted to introduce legislation banning black powder rifles as destructive devices. Now, with this information, how can you honestly believe that gunowners are going to flock to the Democratic Party? Luckily, with Howard Dean at least, gun control is a DOA issue and maybe he'll draw liberal gun owners back into the fold.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:04 PM
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7. These nazi wanna-bes are just irrelevent is all.
No more to it than that.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:33 AM
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9. The funny part is
that they really think that in a Bushco US takeover they'll be able to keep their guns!
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