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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:53 AM
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Bob Somerby Annihilates David Brooks
Bob Somerby and the Howler are second to none... He's simply the best writer on the Net. Period!

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh010604.shtml
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:07 PM
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1. Somerby is on top of this one
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 12:09 PM by HootieMcBoob
So, a prominent neoconservative columnist, who's on television every freakin' day accuses Wes Clark and by implication almost all Democrats of anti-semitism...

Lets see how many of the major media outlets that ran the moveon.org hitler thing will report this.

The moveon.org ad was submitted by an independent person and voted down by the the people who were picking the best ads. Moveon.org has issued a statement saying that they were sorry it got through the filter and denied any connection to it.

We know who wrote this article. He's a spokesman for the neoconservative movement that he says doesn't exist. Do you think and conservatives or dare I say neoconservatives will say that Brooks has gone off the deep end? Don't hold your breath folks.

<edit: spelling>
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:10 PM
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2. I never ever read David Brooks, but I see his nasty ass..
every Friday night on Jim Lehrer's News Hour. "Brooks & Shields." I keep hoping that Mark will jump David, but that will never happen. Mr. Shield is just not strong enough with words.

Bob Someby and the Howler are good.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:18 PM
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3. Brooks - "neo means Jewish"
What a strange column. I hate Bush and his neocon buddies, and I am not anti-Semitic. I just hate stupid, mean scumbags.

Doesn't neo mean new?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:00 PM
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7. Of course it means "new"
I'm not sure if that's orthodox, conservative or reformed "new." ;)

Seriously, Brooks is just making a thin-skinned, unfunny joke to warn future critics of Bushist foreign policy that they will be smeared as anti-Semites.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:01 PM
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8. Neo means 'New'
Brooks is remarkably ignorant. I have no clue how he came up with 'neo means Jewish'.

Would that mean 'neo-liberals' means 'jewish liberals'?
Neophyte meaning 'jewish'...um...'phyte' (?)
Neolithic meaning 'jewish stone'(!)

:eyes:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:03 PM
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9. It's a joke!
A poor one. He didn't literally mean neo means "Jewish." He meant just what Bob Somerby is saying: that critics of neocons and Bushist foreign policy are going to be labelled anto-Semitic. That is his loud and clear meaning.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:04 PM
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10. Oh, My God: so This is the New Meme?
Neo = Jewish?

Unbelievable. Especially since the neos have a lot more similarities to the persecutors than the persecuted.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:19 PM
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15. Agreed, but irony is notoriously lost on Totalitarians like the Busheviks
And yes, they are much closer to the Nazis than to the Jews who fought them.

Actually, the Busheviks are closer to Nazis than they are for the American Jews who fought for Civil Rights during the Days of the Old Republic.

(but the Busheviks are less violent and only indirectly motivated by race than the Nazis--there, is that better?)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:19 PM
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4. Somersby kicks ass...good for him he is dealing with Busheviks and not
Bolsheviks or Nazis. Poor guy'd be dead by now.

But in the "kinder and gentler" Totalitarianism of Imperial Amerika, murder is not nearly used as wantonly (different countries, different customs, you know).

Much thanks to Bob Somersby! Without True Patriots like him, Imperial Amerika would be much further along.
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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:50 PM
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5. I would love to see those to on TV. Somerby would kick his a$$.
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LatteLib Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:56 PM
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6. The right wing media doesn't have the guts
to put these two on television to debate their points. As you pointed out, Somerby would take no prisoners and babbling Brooks would be exposed for the full mooner that he really is.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:11 PM
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12. I'd like to see Clark respond to Brooks on TV
Clark is half-Jewish, and Brooks is calling him antisemitic, I think Clark would give him the treatment he gave to that Fox anchor.

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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:15 PM
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14. I saw Somerby in a panel discussin on CSpan - he's very good
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 02:16 PM by rumguy
He'd kick any rethug's ass back into the hole they crawled out of...
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:08 PM
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11. Here's Neo
I thought he was Canadian....



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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:39 PM
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13. A brief history of "neoconservatives"
The term was first used for/by a small number of people who had a very distinctive political history -- they'd been involved in leftist politics in the 30s and 40s (many in Trotskyite parties), during which they had, for very good reason, developed a loathing for the American Communist Party, as well as a taste for the kind of verbally violent partisan faction-fighting that was prevalent on the left. They moved into the Democratic Party and, during the 60s and 70s, due to their distaste for communism and comcommitant strong feelings on "security" issues, began to drift GOP-wards. They became Republicans who were right-wing on military/security issues and relatively moderate on or indifferent to the GOP's emerging cultural/religious platform. Most though not all of these people were in fact Jewish; Commentary Magazine was their house organ. You could probably fit the whole original "neoconservative movement" into one roomy Manhattan apartment.

So I think that's where the "neo = Jewish" notion comes from. The current "neoconservatives" are in some cases the literal heirs of the original bunch (William Kristol) and in other cases have no particular relationship to them -- for one thing, their allegiance to the GOP is such that they embrace the religious-right agenda even if they are in fact Jewish.
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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:26 PM
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16. Interesting, and an old usenet (1987) thread on noecons re Reagan doctrine
Antisemitism is apparently an OLD charge against critics of neocon policy... a couple of snippets below. The whole thing is pretty chilling, 16 years later. The most obvious change between then and now is the replacement of communism as the bogeyman with rouge states and islam.

hope this short link thing works http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1B235BF6

Subject: Arms-Discussion Digest V7 #97
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View: Original Format
Newsgroups: mod.politics.arms-d
Date: 1987-01-17 08:30:00 PST

Arms-Discussion Digest Saturday, January 17, 1987 11:30AM
Volume 7, Issue 97
<snip>
Another perspective on "the Reagan Doctrine" is provided by Theodore
Draper in an article called "Neoconservative History" in _The New York
Review of Books_ for January 16, 1986:

"Global unilateralism" has been presented by Irving Kristol, the
reputed "godfather" and "standard-bearer" of the new creed, as the
neoconservative alternative to "liberal internationalism." His new
order would require a total break with all our allies and the
abandonment by the United States of NATO, the United Nations, and
the Organization of American States. He wants to get rid of allies,
because they are "very effective hindrances to American action." This
is another myth; the United States has not been hindered by NATO or
the UN from doing anything it really wanted to do--not in Korea, not
in Vietnam or Grenanda or Central America or anywhere....

<snip>
To understand the mentality of one of the godfathers of neoconservatism,
consider an essay by Norman Podhoretz in the September 1982 issue of
_Commentary_ called "J'Accuse," in which he suggests that many reputable
critics of Israel's invasion of Lebanon in the American press, academia,
and foreign policy circles--figures like Anthony Lewis, Stanley Hoffmann,
George Ball, and Mary McGrory--are anti-Semites (never mind that the best
and brightest even within the Israeli intelligence community now consider
the invasion an unmitigated disaster). In the final paragraphs his
values and priorities are put forward directly:

The Bible tells us that God commanded the ancient Israelites to "choose
life," and it also suggests to us that for a nation, the choice of
life often involves choosing the sacrifices and horrors of war. The
people of contemporary Israel are still guided by that commandment
and its accompanying demands. This is why Israel is a light unto
other peoples who have come to believe that nothing is worth fighting
or dying for. .

.... Hostility toward Israel is a sure sign of failing faith in and
support for the virtues and values of WESTERN CIVILIZATION emphasis] in general and AMERICA in particular....

.... I charge here that the anti-Semitic attacks on Israel which have
erupted in recent weeks are also a cover. They are a cover for
AMERICAN LOSS OF NERVE . They are a cover for
ACQUIESCENCE IN TERRORISM . They are a cover for the
APPEASEMENT OF TOTALITARIANISM . And I accuse all those
who have joined in these attacks not merely of anti-Semitism but of
the broader sin of FAITHLESSNESS TO THE INTERESTS OF THE UNITED
STATES AND INDEED TO THE VALUES OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION AS A WHOLE
.
<snip, there's lots more. That was the original poster's emphasis btw>

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