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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 03:34 AM
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Poll question: Al Gore and the 2000 Race
What's you're position on Al Gore's response to the apparent 2000 presidential coup? Please feel free to expound in the thread!!!
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Deesh Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 03:41 AM
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1. This poll...
...is excellent. Great question, Jokerman.

I thought Gore won in Florida, but I wish he had won his home state and West Virginia. He only lost Ohio by 3.5%, I think, and didn't even contest it financially.

He must have known that Katherine Harris ripped him off, but decided to live to fight another day.

A lot of talk is going around about Gore and Dean shoving the "centrist" DLC out of the way.

Any thoughts, anyone?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 04:17 AM
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3. Yep Gore is waling away from the DLC
But this is part of the very silent and behind closed walls civil war I suspect is going on
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 04:05 AM
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2. Other
"Al Gore realized that if he posed a real, ongoing threat to Team Bush, he could count on a visit from his own personal Lee Harvey Oswald."

Check.

--bkl
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Ani Yun Wiya Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 06:50 AM
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6. Must agree with you on this.
* and crew were playing to win and certainly not above
adding injury to insult.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:47 PM
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16. injury to insult
well said
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 05:46 AM
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4. I liked Al...
and still do to, but I really do believe his endorsement was unecessary and premature. I appreciated his great speeches against the attack by the administration on civil liberties and the war with Iraq. I still don't agree with the endorsement.

As for the (S)election, there were no options left for him. There was no recourse beyond the SC. It was over. What the SC did is a great travesty and was one of the single worst decisions the court has made, but Al Gore could do nothing more.
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 08:06 AM
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8. Exactly, fujiyama
I'm always hearing about how Gore didn't do everything he could, but no one has ever told me how a person goes about fighting a SC ruling to which he objects. I'd love to hear about what more could have been done, but I just don't see it. It's not like Gore had an army on his side to take on the United States military. If he had chosen to squat in the White House, he would have been seized and jailed. Any other ideas out there? Please educate me.



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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:09 PM
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12. Complete aqreement.
I see lots of posts that saya that Gore should have kept fighting, but none that say how. When SCOTUS ruled, that was "Game Over."
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militarymanusaf Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 06:36 AM
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5. Unfortunately Gore assumed he would win
his home State. If a candidate from either of the 2 big parties wins only 1 State out of 50, it should be his home State (in Gore's case that is Tennessee). Winning your home State by anything less than a landslide should be an insult. The warning signs were there and Gore ignored them. The Governor is republican, both Senators are republican, and most of the House of Representatives from TN are republicans. Gore for whatever reason figured he didn't need to campaign in TN at all, and the State would be his. The saddest part of all this is that if Gore won Tennessee, it wouldn't matter who won Florida...Gore is elected! Yes, there was a lot of illegal nonsense going on in FL but Gore failed to observe what was going on in his backyard. To rub salt into the wound, Arkansas voted for dubya. What a great way to thank Clinton's Vice-President the last 8 years; vote for the other guy :-( Excuse me while I go :puke:
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 06:58 AM
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7. Out of tuoch with home state !
We must remember Al Gore was a V.P. for the 8 years B/4 the 2000 election and in that time the repug had closed ranks in the south including Gores home state ! Its the south thats going to stick us with bush for another four years .We need a centrist to run against bush in 2004 .The Repugs have successfully made the word liberal ,a bad word ,thats unforunate, however thats the reality ! It does not look to good for the Dems ,being so devided on which direction to go ! A moderate progressive ,that can articulate what a "miserable failure" this pResident truely is ! However some are so far out there ,still believeing the media is liberal etc. That beating bush ,which should be easy to do ,seeing all of the lies and dead at his door step .However if the truth does'nt get out to the people, it does'nt mattter ! Now I see that even if the news did report the truth on this pResident ,that most that are behind bush would simply not believe it ,and claim its the "Liberal media" telling lies ! We are in a lose lose situation and 2004 looks bleak !
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:20 PM
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14. Also, I still hear people here talking about how he never came
back to Tennessee to visit with the people like he should have. They say he neglected his responsibilities here and forgot them.

They apparently were expecting the kind of frequent "Town Hall meetings he had when he was Representative and then Senator. They just don't seem to understand that as Vice-president he had an additional 49 states and the District of Columbia, as well as Puerto Rico et al. as his responsibility.

He did come back periodically but people apparently expected much more and they didn't appreciate all the things he did for Tennessee when he was Vice-president.


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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:35 AM
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9. what about "roll over and play dead"? n/t
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 10:29 AM
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11. Al Gore should have fought
The 2000 coup was illegal and immoral and defied the Constitution and the laws this country is based on.

We should have had a Civil War, if that was what it took to prevent the destruction of America.

Instead, our leaders opted to ignore it and hope it would go away. So now we are faced with slow motion destruction that is unfolding around us daily.

The divisions and anomosity here are DEEP. Fixing this will not be pretty.

I fear that major violence is inevitable.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:43 PM
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15. A civil war? You don't know what you are talking about.
The overwhelming MAJORITY of the populace would cheer as the last of your radical band was crushed under the threads of a tank and your "revolution" died. And if you think I am wrong, then you need to sober up.

I have heard all of this kind of talk about revolutions against the USA gov't, and wacky conspiracy theories, and martial law before. There was a whole lot of it going around - in '72.

Deja vu anybody?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:25 PM
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13. HE NEVER STOOD A CHANCE
Dubya's daddy's buddies in SCOTUS were in on the fix. Gore has since been proven right - that he was the FAR BETTER CANDIDATE.
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