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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:19 PM
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So, are there many Repuke draftees to run against *?
I know my congressman, Ron Paul, has several draft movements supporting him to run.

Will these come-latelies spoil Rove's plans for promoting The Unelected Fraud as a centrist again? Are people stupid enough to believe that BS? Or will it be more of the fear-factor bs that reins them in?
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:24 PM
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1. Buchanan?
I'm kind of surprised that no conventional conservative has come forward to run. You know the type...balanced budget, isolationist, etc.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:27 PM
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2. I think they got the message with McCain
n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:31 PM
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3. How about Darryl Issa?
Ahnold stole da gobernorsheep of Caleeefohnya from him wid a lidle hep frum da vhite haus. Time to get even, no?
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:34 PM
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4. Check out JOHN Buchanan
John Buchanan is running against Bush in the New Hampshire primary.

He wrote the expose on Bush/Nazi ties at nhgazette.com which is awesome

He has a website and needs help. Decent guy and courageous as hell.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:36 PM
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6. Issa knows better
He's an Arab American. Opposition to the regime would get him a one way ticket to Camp Halliburton at Guantanamo Bay. Not that too many people would miss him.

I'm still waiting for the Pat Buchanan/Roy Moore ticket to jump in, actually :evilgrin:
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:35 PM
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5. love to see ron paul run rather than bush
and voted against IWR he is a crazy unpredictable repug but then again under a ron paul presidency wed probably pave over everything
Why Initiate War on Iraq?

by Ron Paul

I was recently asked why I thought it was a bad idea for the President to initiate a war against Iraq. I responded by saying that I could easily give a half a dozen reasons why; and if I took a minute, I could give a full dozen. For starters, here is a half a dozen.

Number one, Congress has not given the President the legal authority to wage war against Iraq as directed by the Constitution, nor does he have U.N. authority to do so. Even if he did, it would not satisfy the rule of law laid down by the Framers of the Constitution.

Number two, Iraq has not initiated aggression against the United States. Invading Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein, no matter how evil a dictator he may be, has nothing to do with our national security. Iraq does not have a single airplane in its air force and is a poverty-ridden third world nation, hardly a threat to U.S. security. Stirring up a major conflict in this region will actually jeopardize our security.

Number three, a war against Iraq initiated by the United States cannot be morally justified. The argument that someday in the future Saddam Hussein might pose a threat to us means that any nation, any place in the world is subject to an American invasion without cause. This would be comparable to the impossibility of proving a negative.

Number four, initiating a war against Iraq will surely antagonize all neighboring Arab and Muslim nations as well as the Russians, the Chinese, and the European Union, if not the whole world. Even the English people are reluctant to support Tony Blair's prodding of our President to invade Iraq. There is no practical benefit for such action. Iraq could end up in even more dangerous hands like Iran.

Number five, an attack on Iraq will not likely be confined to Iraq alone. Spreading the war to Israel and rallying all Arab nations against her may well end up jeopardizing the very existence of Israel. The President has already likened the current international crisis more to that of World War II than the more localized Vietnam war. The law of unintended consequences applies to international affairs every bit as much as to domestic interventions, yet the consequences of such are much more dangerous.

Number six, the cost of a war against Iraq would be prohibitive. We paid a heavy economic price for the Vietnam war in direct cost, debt and inflation. This coming war could be a lot more expensive. Our national debt is growing at a rate greater than $250 billion per year. This will certainly accelerate. The dollar cost will be the least of our concerns compared to the potential loss of innocent lives, both theirs and ours. The systematic attack on civil liberties that accompanies all wars cannot be ignored. Already we hear cries for resurrecting the authoritarian program of constriction in the name of patriotism, of course.

Could any benefit come from all this warmongering? Possibly. Let us hope and pray so. It should be evident that big government is anathema to individual liberty. In a free society, the role of government is to protect the individual's right to life and liberty. The biggest government of all, the U.N. consistently threatens personal liberties and U.S. sovereignty. But our recent move toward unilateralism hopefully will inadvertently weaken the United Nations. Our participation more often than not lately is conditioned on following the international rules and courts and trade agreements only when they please us, flaunting the consensus, without rejecting internationalism on principle- as we should.

The way these international events will eventually play out is unknown, and in the process we expose ourselves to great danger. Instead of replacing today's international government, (the United Nations, the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, the international criminal court) with free and independent republics, it is more likely that we will see a rise of militant nationalism with a penchant for solving problems with arms and protectionism rather than free trade and peaceful negotiations.

The last thing this world needs is the development of more nuclear weapons, as is now being planned in a pretense for ensuring the peace. We would need more than an office of strategic information to convince the world of that.

What do we need? We need a clear understanding and belief in a free society, a true republic that protects individual liberty, private property, free markets, voluntary exchange and private solutions to social problems, placing strict restraints on government meddling in the internal affairs of others.

Indeed, we live in challenging and dangerous times
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:38 PM
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7. John Buchanan for President! Exposed Bush/Nazi ties
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:14 AM
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8. If you guys are serious,
Edited on Sat Dec-27-03 12:18 AM by Snow
Dick Lugar ran for pres in 1995? was that when? - everybody sort of said, yeah, good guy, and nothing happened. Imagine what the place would look like now if he'd been elected pres in 2000.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:49 AM
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9. Is that what all the fundraising was really about?
Discouraging any dissension WITHIN the party?
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