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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:27 AM
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The War in Iraq is unwinnable..
The violence in Iraq will never end as long as the US military is there. In the Bush administrations own words- they would rather fight a war on terrorism in Iraq than in the US.

Seems logical but it's not working on the ground. They captured Saddam and we get orange alerts for aircraft suicide attacks. Why? Because Iraq had nothing to do with fighting a "war on terrorism".

Al-Qaeda was never in Iraq. In fact, it's a non-sequitor. Saddam was "our guy" to counter the Islamic Revolutionists in Iran.

What is happening in Iraq now? Al-Qaeda has shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq and our soldiers are nothing more than targets for them to sacrifice themselves against.

A country that was not a threat has now become a threat to soldiers on the ground trying to make stable an unsustainable policy for the benefit of a few rich people.

Bush and the PNAC crowd has endangered the innocent people of the US like no other administration before it. If we had a truly informative mainstream press not cheerleaders for war, the American people would be calling for regime change here.

As it is, we get corporate flag waving news leading us all over the cliff.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:29 AM
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1. nicely said....I concur
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:49 AM
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2. Well Said
I could not agree more.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:57 AM
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3. I second
Bush is playing right into Al Qaeda's hand. For the moment, the two seem like partners in crime, just as the American Right and the Soviet Right used fear of the other to make political gains at home.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 12:10 PM
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4. Send it to Blitzer and Jennings, et al...
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 12:12 PM by Atman
Very well stated, succinct. The media anchors need to hear this all the time. Maybe eventually we'll generate a few concientious objectors, who'll just say "fuck this!" on air and tell the truth. Maybe. Fat chance, but I am certain no one will if we don't try. E-mail all the anchors...ask the stupid $22,000 a year bimbo reporter on Faux what the hell is in it for HER to advance the lies of the rich men who pay her meager salary. Why sell out the nation for such a relative pittance? WHY? Ask Jennings the same thing...he has enough to retire on NOW...why not at the very least shut the hell up and stop repeating the WH Press Releases for us? What is in it for YOU Peter, that after 230 years, you feel George Bush and Dick Cheney should be able to completely ignore the constitution, like no other administration before it, with impugnity from you and your network? WHY Peter? What is in it for you?

That goes for any of you network shills...I can understand why Bush himself lies to us...he has everything in the world to gain. Literally. And we simply let him. But why does a guy like Peter Jennings or Ted Koppel or even a Katy Couric, allow this to happen?

What is in it for you guys that you feel all the gains we've made as a nation can be pissed away so quickly and cavalierly by a small band of super wealthy right wing fanatics?

This American just doesn't get it.

My Christmas wish, if it isn't too late, is for just one of you talking heads to have the balls to do what you know is right...and start speaking up by shutting up. No more lies for the Bush administration.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:14 PM
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5. $10 million dollar whore..
all these sellouts get lotsa money for their betrayal....and what do they do? what possibly could earn jennings $10 million a year? Lookin' good on tv? and Peter's the one with a modicum of honour it's said!...rawther and brocawcaw are broken men, crackheads with constant gop funded body 'guards' (i do luv the spec of rawther shrieking each morn like the hack composer did in
'Amadeus' :-)) "oh no BillyJeff BillyJeff, what have we DONE!!?"
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:50 PM
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7. Yeah, Rather has lost it, hasn't he?
The sentimentality, the "me, too!" bashing of Saddam and the "other terrorists". The wierd "katy-bar-the-door", "Martha, wake up the kids" folksims....

When he broke down on Letterman after 9/11, I figure his dendrites had all snapped.

Pity. He used to be a decent TV journalist. Went after daddy Bush for his role in Iran-Contra.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:23 PM
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6. From detested dictator to symbor of resistance.
Unfortunately, this isn't about winning a "war" in Iraq. It's about winning an electoral victory for an incoherant nincompoop and his corporate pals. The indisputable fact that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/ll, had no ties to al-Queda, posed no threat to the US, has been lost in the flagwaving, God Bless America, Support Our Troops bullshit that declares it treasonous to point out the nudity of the boy emperor.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 04:40 PM
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8. More logic
Look how impossible it is to crush fringe or ethnic insurgents in other countries where the majority are not with them. Look at better educated and richer(potentially) iraq bound at least by religion, casualties inflicted(lately) only by the US desire for occupation for "their own good". Check out the soldiers attiudes in brutally crushing the Phillippino wish for independence. Same atitudie though our troops are more educated, more public and operating under a bigger less sustainable facade.

The logic of Vietnam was just as bad with the unwinnable Asian war due to plain old numbers. Bungling, finances and total disconnect with the real America makes it SO unwinnable the massive lies needed to say otherwise make us collectively cuckoo.

That is fine with Bushco so long as the spotlight never ever turns center stage to their plutocratic empire even though it is a strong and constant undercurrent that crosses more lines than annti-war dissent in the sixties. The soldiers know it. Thier familes, the intel, the journalists(even those who lie for a living), the common people with any common sense, most of the Congress(too bad their actions are not determined by oaths of service or responsibility).
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supercrash Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:52 PM
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9. Sounds like Bush sr.
When asked...after the first Iraq was over, why he didn't go to Baghdad he said that the "Iraq war would be unwinnable"...he said this 500,000 troops there
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