53% still believe Saddam Hussein connected to 9/11

[kentuck]

Obviously the media is not doing its job... Which is to inform the public. The poll numbers were quoted on last night's Chris Matthews show, in his "antagonistic" conversation with Peggy Noonan.

But the number has gone down in the last 3 or 4 months. At one time, the number was about 70%. However, there is a long way to go when 53% of the people believe Saddam was connected to the bombing on 9/11.

The media must be thinking, how is it that a political propaganda machine, run out of the WH, is able to convince so many people of something that has not been proven to be true? Maybe it's an inside job?

[RBHam]

1. Most of the media willinly helped the perception

Matthews was one of the very few that was smart enough to understand the Orwellina implications of the concerted effort by WH propagandists to connect the two.

Too bad Matthews was such a tool when BushCo were using him to popularize Dubya as a "likable man".

You helped create this mess, Matthews. You've got a lot of redeemin' to do.

[CMT]

2. well it is heading in right direction--down

but there will always be a certain percentage who believe it, the uneducated who don't do any independent reading or research and probably quite a few who don't even bother to vote.

[mmm]

3. Isn't that nuts?

If Americans don't start caring more they are going to get
what they deserve. Not pretty.

[Silverhair]

4. One of the usual suspects.

Of course it is always dangerous to guess what people are thinking, yet I am going to try it. I think that what most people mean by that isn't that Saddam was in on the direct planning of 9-11, or even the direct funding of it.

I think that they mean that there is a septic cyst of terrorism in the region and he is part of the pus that has to be drained.

Note: The above does not mean that I think we were right in invading Iraq. It means that I am trying to guess what others are thinking.

[toddzilla]

5. "they all look alike to me, what's the difference"

that's what we are dealing with folks..

[Silverhair]

7. Yeah, pretty much it. n/t

[truthspeaker]

19. yep

They're all Arabs, so it doesn't matter who was directly responsible. It's the same sentiment that sends black men to death row - someone has to pay for , and if we let this guy off it will show the other n*****s we're weak.

NOT my sentiments at all, just trying to read the minds of the bigoted.

[Loonman]

6. 53% are 100% Morons

Thanks to liars like Bush and Noonan.

[Name removed]

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[kentuck]

15. Well answer this: Where was he on 9/11?

"For the courage he has shown to protect this wonderful nation, that's right the great nation... "The United States Of America" from the evils of this world."

Sounds like you might need some de-programming?

[DrWeird]

16. Your president makes Bill Clinton look like Honest Abe.

He lied about WMD.

He lied about Saddam.

He lied about his criminal record.

And if he hadn't stolen the election the twin towers would still be standing.

[Sparkle]

18. Bush is an evil moron.

How does he taste?

[alarcojon]

21. You're probably a disruptor

In case you're reading the responses to your thread, I stand proudly as an intelligent, principled liberal who loves his country. My country, and the ideals and principles upon which it is founded, is not evil. That does not mean that I approve of our leadership, which I believe is incompetent, arrogant, and which tries to play upon the unquestioning patriotism and religious fervor of people like you to get and stay in office.

I saw plenty of hate for Bill Clinton from people who express views like yours. You and I agree that he acted inappropriately with regard to Monica Lewinsky. However, by your own yardstick, wasn't the right profoundly un-American over the Clinton era?

As far as our military goes, you might want to read what General Wesley Clark has to say about Bush's treatment of our soldiers. I'm sure he loves and respects them more than you do, with all due respect. I cannot say it any better than the general on this matter. Suffice it to say that my sister is in the military, and I love her and would never wish any harm to her.

Lastly, your contention that liberals are not for free speech, while people like you are, is propaganda. Yes, you will probably be banned from this website. It is a private site, set up for political discussion, and has the right to ban anyone it likes. You have plenty of places to express your viewpoints.

Please read the following, from the DU discussion board. I post it for your convenience, since you obviously haven't read it. You might want to especially note the third paragraph.

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This is a "big tent" message board. We welcome a wide range of progressive opinion. You will likely encounter many points of view here that you disagree with.

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.

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It is unfortunate that you feel the need to try to taunt people who do not share your views. Strikes me as downright un-Christian! B-)

Please feel free to respond to me in person.

[Marxistman]

25. Who is welcome and who is not

Excuse me, I am new here but by banning people with opposing views, aren't we kinda hypocritical? Is this an open forum for discussion or just an open forum for one-sided discussion.

I'm certain that because I have the nerve to pose this question I will immdediately be labled a disruptor.

[alarcojon]

29. To me, this site is a "safe space" for

Democrats and progressives of all stripes - to me that would definitely include Marxists. B-) The deleted post was an unabashed pro-Bush diatribe, complete with taunts for us "America-hating lefties". Personally, I get plenty of rah rah for Bush from the media and from some people I know. I am well aware of their positions and arguments; I just happen to disagree with most of them. So sometimes it is nice to be able to come somewhere and not have to listen to that.

There is plenty of disagreement on this site, just within a different framework than the media tends to give us.

I'm certain that because I have the nerve to pose this question I will immdediately be labled a disruptor

I don't know what the intent of this statement is. It seems like you've decided we're closed-minded because an unabashedly pro-Bush diatribe was removed from an openly leftist political site. If you feel that way, have a nice day!

[Marxistman]

26. Who is permitted?

Excuse me, I am new here but by banning people with opposing views, aren't we kinda hypocritical? Is this an open forum for discussion or just an open forum for one-sided discussion.

I'm certain that because I have the nerve to pose this question I will immdediately be labled a disruptor.

[goobergunch]

28. Heh

[BiggJawn]

8. It's working!

You DU'ers who are educating your co-workers. 53% down from 70% is a HUGE improvement!

keep up the good work! I know I will!

[Demonaut]

9. Bush will never admit openly that Saddam had nothing to do with 911

What i mean is that in one of his speeches, it's better that the populace remain ignorant of the facts. When he was caught off guard once he admitted the truth. Can't stand the man.

[Room101]

10. Bush did admit....

"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the Sept. 11th,"

Of course he said it after 70% of Americans thought it.

[alarcojon]

22. And it's sad that

Bush's open admission of no connection has only brought it down to 53%.

Then again, as soon as Saddam Hussein was caught, Bush couldn't help but mention him and 9/11 in the same breath, what, five times in the same speech?

[Pillowbiter]

11. CNN last week had a report of a connection

that one of the 911 hijackers was in Iraq for a 3-day training session according to some new memo discovered.

Of course they will never report that they later found out that memo most likely is bogus.

The news stations seem to be taking the Saddam connection for granted.

Well what can you do, for the past 13 years we have been fed nothing but propaganda regarding Saddam.

PB

[arcane1]

12. the media's "job" is not to inform, sadly..

it's to deliver consumers to their sponsors

[BonjourUSA]

14. The huge need to wish their soldiers die for something

[ajacobson]

23. Bullseye

n/t

[rucky]

17. Cognitive Dissonance

n/t

[RebelOne]

20. I know and I am amazed.

I had a conversation with a friend last week and she believed that also. Took me a while to convince her otherwise.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

24. Sounds like Bush will get 53% against Dean

I see no other result likely.

[_Jumper_]

27. "There is always something there to mislead me"

How can I know reality when there is always something there to mislead me? When there is always something there to mislead me!
Always something there to mislead me! I was born to love freedom but I will never be free--the right-wing media is always a part of me.

[ThomWV]

30. But Every Day Its Less

Look at it like this. This is one of the questions that once you know the right answer you never waver back. So there are people today who are misimformed, it is our duty to inform them. The number of misinformed people for this one subject will not go up because the lie has already been told and exposed. So as we give them credible information otherwise and they fall out of the misinformed group there will be no new replacements. This is important because once they realized they have been purposfully misinformed in the past it begins to be prudent for them to take less stock in the babbelings from the chip. Time will always erode trust in a fool.

Thom

[SemperEadem]

31. 2 reasons

"how is it that a political propaganda machine, run out of the WH, is able to convince so many people of something that has not been proven to be true? Maybe it's an inside job? "


1. Intimidation

2. Those accepting and regurgitating the lie truly believe that gw's plans for enrichment actually include them, too. They don't get that they aren't invited along for the ride; in fact, gw's people believe that these people are as much of the problem as those who've never taken their bait.

[many a good man]

32. Whoever wins the nomination has to run video of Bush* saying

"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the Sept. 11th"

This video has to run 10000 times between now and election day.