Do you automatically assume everything from the Bush Admn. is a lie?

[Timefortruth]

There seem to be two camps here. The first mostly believes the administration but dislikes them. The second camp thinks that if Bush said water is wet would question their own beliefs about that fact. The second camp (disclosure: I’m a second camper) can’t understand why every single claim made by the Bush’s shouldn’t be viewed as false unless solid proof is available to show otherwise. First campers don’t think the world is that complicated.

Which are you?

[LiberalVoice]

1. Its not so much that...

I AUTOMATICALLY assume everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie, it just that it has been proven time and time...ummm..and time and time again.

[evil_orange_cat]

2. I think he has his own motives for everything he does...

but there are some things that he does that is simply normal politics... responding to what the public overwhelmingly want... like the do-not-call list.

I think the man represents his private interests and political allies... not what's good for America. He's like most other politicians, only his propaganda campaign is better because Rove is an evil genius.

[pmbryant]

3. No. I just ignore what they say

Their comments have absolutely no connection to the truth or reality, one way or the other.

So I simply discount anything they say, ignore it, and get my information from other sources.

--Peter

[Demeter]

4. Actually, I Used to Think The Bushies Were All Delusional

I used to think they had only half an oar in the water. I used to think they were certifiably insane. Now I just think they are evil, and smug about it, too.

[G_j]

5. I like the way you worded your poll :-)

:-)

[Timefortruth]

16. Thank you, I tried.

It's nice to be noticed :)

[sendero]

39. I'll second that...

... I'll take a laugh anywhere I can get it :)

[0rganism]

6. It's more complex than that, but the * cabinet lies like a persian rug

And it's not just the lies, it's the ulterior motives.

If Cheney said "water is wet", I'd suspect he was trying to get Halliburton a contract to make water drier.

If Rummy said "water is wet", I'd figure he was linking wetness of water to a need to invade another 3rd world country.

If bush said "water is wet", I'd bet he was trying to spout a lie about the dryness of water but got the words mixed up, and the whitehouse.gov website transcript would be altered to say "water is dry." Policies of the EPA would then be altered on the basis of water's newfound dryness. This would later be retracted by Scott McLellan, who would say, "well of course the president thinks water is wet! If you review the records, that's exactly what he said."

[spotbird]

7. LOLnt

[number6]

8. 99.99 %

:smoke:

[Bombtrack]

9. i clicked the first one

red

[spotbird]

13. Good for you. nt

[thebigidea]

10. fascinating how this topic is getting such heavy play lately

[spotbird]

11. Yes, fascinating.

It could represent the level of frustration some here feel regarding issues about which I am not at liberty to discuss. Or maybe not.

[Cat Atomic]

12. Yes. But I wasn't always that way.

When the Bush administration first got in, I listened to him the same way I listen to all public speakers. I gave them the benefit of the doubt. As the months rolled by, I kept seeing more and more very obvious lies being used to sell bad legislation.

Now I listen to them very defensively. I assume everything they say is part of a sales pitch. They're selling war, they're selling corporate welfare, they're selling lots of things I don't like.

I treat them like used car salesmen. You have to always ask yourself, "why is this person telling me this"?

[guitar man]

14. I wouldn't........

believe the SOB if he said he could piss and make it hit the ground!

This POS is the biggest liar that has ever occupied the White House.

[Timefortruth]

15. Good point.

Has he ever made the claim?

[Robb]

17. Good rule of thumb:

Whenever the language seems odd, think about what it can be denied to have meant later.

If that makes sense.

[whathappened]

18. w is like my ex

brotherinlaw , look ya right in the eye and lie his ass off ,

[thebigidea]

19. I just wish someone would give me one reason to trust Bush

the whole "there are no plans for war on my desk" thing should probably be enough to brand the moron a miserable liar for all eternity.

I don't understand the recent push to defend him and rehabilitate his liar image... I can see this on cable news, but on DU? We're out to put a stop to this piece of shit, not to try to marginalize his critics. The "swing voters" crowd can moan about the mainstream all they like, but even the craziest alien testicle Hangar 18 Elvis theory by some guy in his boxers is more sincere than the Collected Lies of Bush, Inc.

Who do you want on your side?

Those that call a spade a spade, a liar a liar?

Or those that say - "oh, we know he lies but oh um isn't that a bit strong, after all we should give him the benefit of the doubt and then maybe appear in the Rose Garden with him for some photo ops... why, he's a very popular wartime president... it would be suicide to criticize him in front of the precious swing voters."

[spotbird]

20. That is a very good point big,

whenever I find someone trusting his chimpness I ask that very question. Guess what? Not even once have I been given an answer.

Well, I take that back. I have been given answers when I ask, but not that are responsive to the question. Generally the answers have to do with men's body parts. I'd be delighted to hear a responsive answer as a matter of fact, if there is one.

[0rganism]

21. The "there are no plans for war on my desk" thing may have been true!

Why would bush trouble himself with plans for war, when there's important fundraising to do?

Any plans for war would probably be mentioned in the morning staff meetings, but stay safely on the desks of those in the administration who care for such things as more than photo-ops.

[thebigidea]

23. yeah, we could make snarky comments about crayons on his desk

but you know what I mean, the collective desks of the dipshit administration.

Still, its touching that Bush still has a shred of respect left amongst the stauch centrist wing.

[sendero]

40. one thing is clear....

....there are only plans for photo ops and fundraisers. There was no planning for this war.

[eileen_d]

22. Defending Bush and attracting swing voters...

apples and oranges.

[thebigidea]

24. anything that benefits Bush is an apple to my eye

[eileen_d]

25. The produce section of any grocery store

should cure you of that problem.

[thebigidea]

27. silly rabbit, Trix are for kids

again, can you give me ONE reason to trust Bush?

On anything?

And pat yourself on the back for a clever comment about the mentally ill, you've earned it.

Your critics are all insane! Only you hold the keys to Common Sense, Ultimate Truth, and the White House!

[eileen_d]

29. You have no idea what I'm saying, do you?

First off, I said nothing about the mentally ill. I am mentally ill myself and therefore avoid such idiocy.

Now let's look at some apples and oranges:

APPLES: I think criticizing Bush and calling him a liar is, as they say, "all good." I personally don't trust Bush or anyone in his sham administration, and I voted (in this poll, and others) accordingly.

ORANGES: I also think attracting swing voters will be an important part of winning the general election.

Finally, I think APPLES are completely unrelated to ORANGES. I think APPLES can coexist with ORANGES. I don't have any problem with people criticizing the BFEE, distrusting the BFEE, etc. I do have a problem with writing off "swing voters" because I want to win this election. But that does NOT mean I trust or think others should trust the BFEE. Or that the Democrats should somehow "moderate" their message. Or that in order to attract swing voters, Democrats should "make nice" with Bush.

Gad on, gadfly. I think your fight is with someone else.

[thebigidea]

30. snicker

And of course I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm as insane as Andrew Jackson - and he's fuckin' dead.

I guess I thought the fruit loop thing was ala birdman's "strawberries" nonsense mocking any one who dared question trifecta-boy.

So when did I write off swing voters?

You know I'm just riffing on the "don't alienate the swing voters with conspiracy theories" crowd.

I don't address these swing voters at all, I just think its cute that they are used as a way to protect Bush from critique.

Obviously my gaddin' about was not aimed in the right direction.

[eileen_d]

31. Honestly I should go log onto FR tonight

I am in such a pissy mood, freepers would be better targets for my frustration than fellow DUers.

Did I mention that my sewer line leaked into my basement this evening and I'm unemployed?

Peace...

[thebigidea]

32. likewise, I'm practically spitting cyanide tonight

so apologies if it dribbled onto your carpet.

[OldSoldier]

38. I believe the "war plans weren't on my desk" thing

There is a big-ass window behind Bush's desk. You don't put classified war plans on desks with big-ass windows behind them.

Go over to the little room on the right, the one without any windows. There should be a big table in it. That's where the war plans were.

"There are no plans for war on my desk." Absolute truth and a damn lie all in one convenient phrase.

Ya gotta watch these Bush people. They're slick. They'll lie even when there's no reason to.

[KG]

26. they lie even when telling the truth would serve their purposes better

they lie about everything.

[thebigidea]

28. if they are willing to lie about such bullshit as the Operation Turkey...

its not much of a stretch to believe they have no problems with complete bullshit when something SERIOUS is at stake.

Like, oh, I dunno - world domination.

[Bucky]

33. These results make me sad

Faith-based liberalism is as bad as faith-based conservatism. Well, not quite as bad, certainly not as destructive. But bad. Still, I blame the Florida fiasco for doing this. Nobody trusts anybody any more. This is how to kill America.

[thebigidea]

34. feel free to swim against the tide and extend Bush the benefit of thedoubt

its not like Bush himself has given the world ample reason to distrust, despise, and despair.

No, instead its those mean liberals! Why, its THEIR fault Bush lies so often - if they didn't notice it and call him on it, why - it wouldn't be a lie!

[spotbird]

35. Just give me a reason to believe him.

Find a major issue where he has been honest, help me out here.

on edit: It would be nice to have that question answered. Every time I ask it there is no responsive reply. That makes me sad.

[Individualist]

36. This has nothing to do

with faith based liberalism. It has everything to do with proof about the many lies chimpy and his vile administration have told.

[NoPasaran]

37. Everything * says is not a lie

Sometimes he's just plain wrong.

[eissa]

41. His whole administration

makes me shudder (maybe Powell to a lesser extent). I honestly cannot swallow a word they say; I'm utterly convinced that they have ulterior motives/personal agendas behind everything they advocate. I've honestly never felt so strongly against any admnistration more than this one.

[Booberdawg]

42. I assume everything * says is a lie or spin and I'm rarely disappointed

[Junkdrawer]

43. 100% Self-Serving - 98% Lies...

On occasion, they catch a break. :evilgrin: