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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:03 PM
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Democratic Undergrounds Military Vets(past/current) Tribute Thread
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 02:38 PM by worldcomflunky
Perhaps this has been done before but if it has I haven't seen it. With our troops getting killed daily over in hell hole Iraq, it is sadly a daily reminder of just how much of a sacrifice the men and women in our military make when they put on the uniform. There is nobody I respect more than men and women that have either previously served in the military or are still serving.

With that thought in mind, I think it would be interesting to have fellow DUer's that have either previously served or are currently serving to let us know who they are. Some people here are easy to spot as being vets by their handles such as Saigon 68 or HawkerHurricane. However, I am sure there are plenty of vets that post on DU that don't have obvious handles to tip off the fact they have served our country.

So step up vets both former and current and let us know who you are so we can pay tribute to all of you brave men and women. Let us know the branch you served, years, and what you did in the military. Provide any other details about your career in the military service that you think would be of interest to those of us that have never been in the military. Perhaps your most memorable moment you had by being in the military. I have a friend who's dad did two tours in Vietnam and I never get tired of listening to his stories. I am sure Saigon 68 can tell us some good stories as can a lot of other vets on this board. So step up to the plate vets and let us honor you.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:13 PM
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1. i helped reagan defeat communism
by serving 3 years in the navy after high school in the 80's
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JJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:47 PM
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9. LOL
Me too. But I wasn't in the military, I was in the Air Force. During the $400 dollar hammer days which I believe was more than I made a month IIRC. That's how Ronnie supported the troops.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:04 AM
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:20 PM
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2. US Army Veteran
US Army 1978 - 1991

101st Abn Div(Air Aslt)1978-1982
11th Signal Bde 1982-1984
MFO(Multinational Forces and Observers)Sinai Egypt 1984-1985
4th ID(Mech) 1985-1987
MFO 1987-1987(4 months)
25th ID(Light)1987-1991, volunteered for Operation Desert Storm assigned to 426th S&S Bn, 101st Abn Div, February-April 1991

Left the service in November 1991, because I did not believe in management over leadership. 13 years of serving my country.
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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:26 PM
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5. My hats off to you atreides1.
Out of your 13 years of service what was your most memorable moment either good or bad?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:41 PM
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7. Memorable Moments
Good: Was when one of my troops was promoted to E6/Ssgt. You see I only made it to E5/Sgt.

Bad: When I had to deliever a soldier to the post stockade after he had been court martialed.
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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:56 PM
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12. Thanks for responding atreides1
I don't doubt delivering a fellow soldier to the stockade was a tough thing to do. However, some of our boys in Iraq right now might prefer the stockade over rotting out in the heat with a shortage of food and water. I just read a soldier's letter to his father in the back home in the LBN forum complaining about the lack of water and asking his dad to send some. The type of supply problems we are apparently having is unbelievable to me. Our troops having to ask their parents for water is madness!! Whoever is in charge of supplying our troops needs to be strung up and hung. I have no doubt our supply problems is related to policy decisions by Rumsfield. That bastard.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:25 PM
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21. Brown & Root may be the culprits
I just read a letter from a young officer in the 11th Signal Bde, one of my old units. He's from Globe Arizona, his unit has had to ration both food and water because it seems that they are not getting resupplied. He has body lice, and the mosquitos seem resistent to all
forms of insect repellent. He states that they are under mortar attack
almost daily, and have had some soldiers wounded, but no one has died.
He also says that rotations have been frozen until further notice.

I have heard that Brown & Root are supposed to be responsible for supplying the troops, but I'm not sure. If anyone can shed light on who is responsible for re-supplying our soldiers, it would be greatly
appreciated.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:22 PM
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3. USN, Honorably Discharged in 1981
Served aboard the USS Franklin D. Roosevelt, CV-42.

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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:08 PM
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15. the Roosevelt!
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 04:09 PM by Pepperbelly
Did you know Ivan Shadrick or Phil Fertito? They would've been in OI division.

on edit ... my BAD ... they were on the Oriskony...
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:24 PM
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4. Cold War vet
4 years in the Air Force in the mid-80s.

Most interesting thing I learned? The best airmen tended to be gay. And the gay airmen tended to be the best airmen. Go figure.
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:26 PM
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6. Another Communist Concluder
with Rayguns, and then some time ruining the economy with Bush the 1st. 4 years with the AF, re-enlisted and was out by choice in 2 in the Bush "reduction of force". My discharge reads that I extended my orignal enlistment "at the pleasure of the US government". Funny, I often feel like I did pleasure the US government.
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:45 PM
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8. US Navy
Five years as a Construction Electrician in the Seabees, 1983-1988. Never stepped foot on a boat! Deployed twice overseas on airplanes. Spent 8 1/2 months at NAS Sigonella, Sicily and 9 months at Roosevelt Roads, Puerto Rico. Homeported at Gulfport, Mississippi with NMCB 133. Honorably discharged as Second Class Petty Officer ( CE2 ).
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:49 PM
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10. I fought the VN war in the Battle of North Dakota
That's right, because of me, C-5s, B-52s and assorted fighters were guarding the DewLine and the many many missiles.

You are alive now because of the Strategic Air Command!
(I know this because my base commander told me this once a month...at least)
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 02:50 PM
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11. Army
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 02:53 PM by Redleg
Field Artillery Officer 13E-00

Served in 155 mm (M-198 Towed) and 8-inch (M110 SP) howitzer battalions as battery fire direction officer, artillery liason officer, battery executive officer, battalion fire direction officer, and a short stint as communications platoon leader.

Served during Reagan and Bush I. I guess that makes me part of the last generation of cold warriors!

I have been out since 1992 and although I miss the smell of the gun powder I am glad to be a civilian now.
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Gordon25 Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 03:57 PM
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13. USMC '59-'66
Served with USMC from '59-'66. Did a Nam tour with 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade in '65 &'66.

Joined VVAW after discharge. As bad as the Vietnam betrayals by the government were (and they were grotesque) they are nothing to the betrayals currently happening. My years of nightmares probably pale beside what our current Iraq vets are going to experience. The true extent of the carnage of this unnecessary, illegal and brutal invasion (I refuse to dignify it with the label war) will not be counted until the vets have all returned home and their families, friends and co-workers have their lives turned upside down if not destroyed by the changes in their veteran friends and loved ones.

To (forgive the hubris) quote myself from one of my Vietnam poems: "You cannot kill someone without becoming jailer to their soul."

Thanks for the question and the opportunity to respond.

Gordon25
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:30 AM
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75. Redlegs
I used the nick "Redlegs" on another chat board because I am a big Cincinnati Reds fan. I didn't know that the same nick wa sused by artillerymen until I kept being asked if I was one. Oops.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:06 PM
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14. Uncle Sam's Navy here ... a Cold Warrior extraordinaire...
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 04:15 PM by Pepperbelly
I served from 1975, right at the ass end of Viet Nam to 1979, right before RR got elected. I did one Med Cruise while stationed on a Gator in Norfolk and then moved on to San Diego where I did another 3 or 4 West Pac cruises.

Went to Lebanon in an amphib task force in 1976 during the Civil War and then, in the Pac, rode out a typhoon (ie Pacific Hurricane) at sea south of Hong Kong.

Amphib ready groups that are deployed are ALWAYS at the frontier and that is pretty much where I spent my time.

I was an Operations Specialist or, to the old schoolers, a Radarman or, to the whimiscal, a Scopedope.

Ta-ta.

shit, i pulled the trigger on this without proofing my post. I hav e terminal dumbass. :grr:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:10 PM
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16. US Army 1968-72
Vietnam 1970-71 - Naval Air Facility, Cam Rahn Bay (Army flying Navy aircraft).
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:56 PM
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55. As I probably told you before,
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 11:58 PM by TahitiNut
... you were (undoubtedly) 'requisitioned' to 'Nam through the systems I designed, wrote, and implemented while there. Anyone regularly ordered to USARV after about July69 was processed that way. (Two systems: Officer Requisitioning and Enlisted Requisitioning. Major difference? "One each" vs. multiples.) It's a bizarre 'claim to fame,' I know. (Maybe someday I'll tell you about "Strength Accountability" - who, where, what condition - at one time I'd then have to shoot you.) :shrug:
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myomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:10 PM
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17. Lived through Vietnam as an Army helicopter pilot.
But close a few times.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:24 PM
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31. What unit were you with?
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 05:26 PM by Bandit
I served in 227th AHB 1st Cav and also 281st AHC Wolfpack. I was CE in 281st and gunner in 227th AHB, Slicks. I also served in 2nd of the 12th 1st Cav Infantry before I took a burst of three and became a gunner in 227th. My first tour started April 68 and ended my second tour on 12/25/69 they gave me a Christmas early deros.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 06:22 PM
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35. MACV- Support & Transportation - NhaTrang, Phan Rang, Cam Ranh area
Sept '67 until April '69...
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 06:53 PM
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37. Ahh ~ Nha Trang ~ Riviera of the Orient
My unit 281st AHC was home based out of Nha Trang. Spent many a delightful hour there.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 06:55 PM
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38. It is a beautiful place...
That has to be some of the most beautiful areas of the South Pacific
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 09:54 PM
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40. Actually, my tour started in Nha Trang with the 144th AVN Co (RR)
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 10:27 PM by DemoTex
I loved Nha Trang. We had a Sun Fish sailboat that we sailed in the bay. We hopped rides on the helos or LSTs out to Hon Tre to party with the Air Force air traffic controllers ("Portcall"). We did the French restaurants down by the beach (La Nautique, I remember), where you could get a lobster for four for $5.

Then we pulled out. I was in the group that went to NAF Cam Ranh. In fact, I was convoy officer on two convoys from Nha Trang to Cam Ranh, on QL1 through the Nha Trang Pass.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:04 PM
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42. I was with 59th Field Service at Cam Ranh....
My last 6 mos in 'Nam...
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Devil Dog Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:10 PM
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18. U.S.M.C., 4 years, 1980s
hence my nickname, Devil Dog.
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Devil Dog Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:10 PM
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19. U.S.M.C., 4 years, 1980s
hence my nickname, Devil Dog.
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Psychoblues99 Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:13 PM
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20. USAF, Tennessee Air National Guard
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 04:23 PM by Psychoblues99
August '68 to Sept. '72 active duty USAF. Jan., '83 to November, '91 TANG. 2 years permanent station Suwon AB, Korea with 3 TDY's to Viet Nam. Grenada, Panama and the straw that broke this camel's back, Desert Storm, Saudi Arabia (and other places) Nov. '90 to June '91. I love my country and my duty. My country deserves my patriotism and the Democratic Party deserves my duty.

Psychoblues

Dems Gotta Keep On Truckin'.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,

edit for spelling
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:35 PM
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22. 4 very long years in the USMC
Known to the inmates at that time as "The Crotch". 1961 - 1965 VMF(AW)-542 and H&MS-15. I was asked to extend my enlistment so I could go and kill people in Vietnam like a good little patriot. I disagreed with the proposition that burning down villages and killing people would be all that welcome in that sad country. I was rewarded with 30 days mess duty for my thoughts.

Most memorable experience? Having a very understanding, and patient, Japanese bar-girl help an overeager 18 year old happily dispense with his virginity. That, and walking out of the main gate at El Toro and breathing free at last.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:43 PM
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33. good move
it didn't take a war to motivate me, 1 'tour' was enough ;-)

USN 85-88 BM3

:hi:

peace
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LiberalLibra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:38 PM
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23. I'm not a vet but I'd like to thank each and every one of you who......
....served our country in whatever capacity. You are all my heroes!!!!
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:43 PM
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24. Navy eight years
fifty one to sixty. Had a six month reserves between hitches. Was a Mineman by rate. But worked in special warfare. Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Nuclear Weapons Disposal, Deep Sea Diver, (second class), Underwater Swimmer (SCUBA) (second class). Spent the summer of 52 in Korea, part of the time on a mine sweeper, and part of the time with COMINRON Three Mine Disposal Team. Most of the time it was fun. Spent three years EOD unit two in Charleston, SC. Also three years in Japan (The 51 to 55 period)

180
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:01 PM
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41. Tear gas chamber: They surprised us one Sat. AM in flight school.
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 10:05 PM by DemoTex
(ON EDIT: THIS MAKES NO SENSE HERE! I THOUGHT I WAS PUTTING IT BELOW 5thGEN DEMOCRAT's message #26. Read it in that context and maybe it will make sense! Hell, I already told you I was an Army puke. What do you expect?)

I was at Ft. Stewart, Georgia, near Savannah. We had the weekend off. We got roaring drunk at the club on Friday night. At 0700 on Saturday the Tac Officers roused us from our bunks for a little trip to the tear gas chamber. We were puking hungover, so you can imagine the result of that little trip. The lesson I learned: Never, ever go to a demonstration where there might be tear gas hungover!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 04:49 PM
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25. USAF 1981-1985
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 04:49 PM by tom_paine
Strategic Air Command ("SAC Trained Killer")

:evilgrin:

Ok, ok, anyone who's been in the USAF knows the humor to be found in that line.

:evilgrin:

I swore an Oath to Protect and Defend the Constitution. Now that Constitution is being used as toilet paper by Totalitarian Monsters while they train the Bush Youth to complete the next phase of the Totalitarianization of Imperial Amerika.

But I love this country (or "loved", depending on whether you believe the Old Republic of the United States of Amerika is dead, merely dying, or has just taken a savage beating from which it will eventually recover) and I will not run from it or from a bunch of gutless Brownshirts.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:00 PM
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26. But, please, save your applause
I was in the Army Signal Corps as a Communications Center Specialist (72E20 -- an MOS which no longer exists) at Fort Monroe, VA from 1974-76. The civilian equivalent would be a Western Union teletypist.
I never got closer to a war zone than Norfolk (where, with 30,000 sailors and 1800 soldiers, we were outnumbered badly enough), and I never did anything particularly interesting.
John
My most memorable experience in the Army? Probably the Tear Gas chamber -- not pleasant but certainly unforgettable.
Oh, yeah -- I got assigned to empty the spit pots after the dental hygiene lecture in Basic Training, too.
GO ARMY!! Sink Navy!!
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:02 PM
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27. I-Corp, Americal Div Artillery 1968-70. Followed by 5 proud years VVAW.
Still glad I volunteered for Nam. Didn't know what to believe back then. Figured if I went there, I'd never have to apologize to anyone for my views. Sure comes in handy today discussing Iraq with the typical VFW type.

Did 6 months as an FO, then 6 months as a fire direction officer on a remote LZ near Cambodia, then 6 months as an air observer, flying backseat in little, WW2, open air "Birddog" piper cubs.

Sure great to see so many other vets who are such active contributors here on DU.

Thanks for asking, worldcomflunky. Yeah, somebody starts a thread like this about once a month. But us vets do like to talk about the day.
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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 06:14 PM
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34. No.....THANK YOU Merlin.
You and everybody else that has posted on here deserve a big thank you. I am like you and also think it's great we have so many vets who are such active contributors here on DU. This thread has only been up a few hours and we already have around 30 different people that have responded to say they were in the military. So with this post I kick this up for the evening DU crowd that is just now getting home from work so they to can see the names of our DU vets.

Hey Saigon 68....I am still waiting for your post. I see you in the casualty threads and you have provided some nice insight into what our guys are currently going through based on your experience in Nam. It would be nice to hear from you buddy.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:10 PM
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44. Drop 50, right 50, fire for effect! Shot out! Shot splash!
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 10:11 PM by DemoTex
You could have flown backseat in the O-1 with someone I knew!

BTW: I was VVAW too!
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:16 AM
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83. Roger that, DemoTex.
Trying to remember the pilots' names. I can visualize them. But the names don't come to mind. Hell of a politician I'd have made.

Where did you do your VVAW "tour"?
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Romulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:07 PM
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28. USMC 1990-95
Went to Somalia in the spring of 94 to help guard the US withdrawal, then got immediately shipped off to the coast of Haiti that summer. Soon after that my unit was guarding the original Gitmo concentration camps in the spring of '95. Got out in summer of '95 the day before my birthday.
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slater71 Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:08 PM
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29. USAF 71 to 75
Served at Eglin AFB for two years and at Zaragoza AB Spain with the 406th fighter wing for two years. I would of been drafted buy enlisted instead. My worst time was when CBPO called me and told me I had orders for Da Nang AB Viet Nam and had 72 hours to report to San Fransisco for shipment to Viet Nam (three months before I was to be married.)
The best thing that happened was while sitting at the hospital waiting for my shots. CBPO called and said my orders were cancled because they wanted an NCO and I was but a lowly airmen.
I served under Nixon and when he resigned we were ordered not to talk about the commander and chief because we could be punished. So I would say that the one`s who spoke out about Bush and Rumsfeld will be punished. That`s my story and I`m sticking to it:D
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:20 PM
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30. Just a dumb draftee (AUS)
I thought I was being a patrotic person by fighting the Cold War under Nixon, but I've been informed by Rumsfeld that I didn't contribute much...Oh well...Silly me.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:39 PM
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32. Thanks so much to all of you!
:toast:
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 06:45 PM
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36. USAF
1971 - 1975, Patrick AFB, FL (Cocoa Beach, FL), Medic/Clinical Laboratory Technician - involved with Medical Operations Manned Space - Apollo 17, Skylab missions and Apollo/Soyuz mission. Other than that I absolutely hated the military, all 3 years 10 months and 2 days of active duty(early out because I got accepted into college and in '75 the Air Force would let anyone out early to reduce the numbers). I got my honorable discharge but a lifer tried to f**k me over, go figure. He is the only person I truly hate to this day. The sad thing is I run into him on rare occasion when my wife and I visit the area (my wife is from Titusville, FL).

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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 08:28 PM
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39. One last kick for the evening crowd.
Siagon 68........would really like to hear a story or two from you.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:09 PM
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43. Desert Storm, USS Missouri BB-63 right here.
:hi: plus USS Coral Sea, USS La Salle, NAS Weapons, Norfolk, VA, and COMCARGRU ONE, Treasure Island, CA
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:31 PM
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45. A bedtime kick with a request.
Let's do this once a month or so. I am interested in seeing when veterans of the Bu$h Attack on Iraq start showing up. It is only a matter of time. And like the Everly Brothers sang: "Oh, the stories they could tell!"
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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:41 PM
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46. I am on it DemoTex.
Today is pretty much getting close to August 1st. Come September 1st, I will post a thread asking all DU vets to check in. If for nothing else, to give their thoughts on todays events as it relates to the military and world events. I think they can give us a unique perspective that most of us that have not been in the military can give us. Thanks again to all that posted to this thread. I will float another one up in about a month to get a vet's view on where we are at and where they think we are going under Shrub with this whole Iraq situation. Pray the casualties from now until September 1st are as small as possible. The events of the last week since the Hussain boys were "taken out" have not been encouraging.
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PapaClay Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:47 PM
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47. Let's see...
U.S. Navy 1969-77 Quartermaster (E-6)

USS America (CVA-66) Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club, class of 70.
USS Willard Keith (DD-775)
USS Vulcan (AR-5)
NAS Bermuda

U.S. Army 1977-89 Marine Warrant (W-3)

Fort Eustis and Ford Island

Various vessels ranging from ocean-going cargo and RO-RO to LCUs.

Most memorable moments: Liberty in Olongapo.
Most dangerous moments: Liberty in Olongapo.

And yes, the Army had (and still has) ships. Probably the best kept secret in the whole damn military.

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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:52 PM
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48. You have my respect PapaClay!!
My friends dad that I refered to in my original posting was also in the Navy. He had the fun of being allowed to run up and down the rivers on gun boats and take shots at people and get shot at. Can't remember the name he called himself though.....River Rats perhaps? Or that might have been the enemy. It's been awhile since I have talked to him. Regardless, he has always had my upmost respect. It takes balls to be a "gunner" running up and down the rivers in Nam. He had them for sure and still is a bad ass to this day. I would not want to tangle with him.
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PapaClay Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:35 PM
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51. Thanx
I was extremely lucky. Carrier duty was paradise compared to the river. I had friends that were riverine and you are right, bad ass and crazy. And the stone-craziest were the crews running tons of ammo on Korean war-vintage LCUs at a top speed of about 7 knots (8 MPH). Imagine trying to escape a drive-by in a bomb-laden car that only goes 8 MPH. Unreal.

As for Olongapo, I'm sure there are others around here who might have some hazy memories of nights out on that town. 'Twas most educational for a fresh-faced lad of 20.

(rant mode on)

And the IraqNam war is coming home. Bet on it. They can control the media, but not ex-soldiers who will talk; now as they always have. And the insanity and futility of it all will start to seep into the public consciousness at an increasing rate until the truth, coupled with the body count, causes America to say, "Enough!".

I hope it comes soon, but unfortunately, I ain't holding my breath.

(rant mode off)
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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:04 AM
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56. From what he has told me, your not joking. It took a crazy
son of a bitch to run up and down those rivers firing a machine gun that amounted to pretty much firing into a jungle without being able to see who you were shooting out. He told me a story one time of him and a crew going down river and somebody that "should not" have been on the machine gun begged him to let him give it a try. Well sure enough....he let him give it a try and it wasn't 10 minutest later they come under fire and that guy that "begged" him to be the gunner was shot in the head and killed instantly. Which means no doubt it would have been him. I am amazed at what he hs accomplished since he has got back. He no doubt has his demons but he got his stit together and teaches here in Tulsa. He is a hero in my book. Somebody that went up and down that river for two damn years getting shot at but did it and lived to tell about it. I am in awe each and every time I meet him. Of course, he has enough guns and ammo in the house to supply a small army so I am also in awe of that also:). The guy is ready for anything.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:21 PM
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49. Olongapo City!
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 11:28 PM by DemoTex
Anything I say will be incriminating! Been there, done that!

On edit: The Army operated the LSTs (or whatever they were called) from Nha Trang to Hon Tre Island. The Spec 5s running it had coolers of beer, which they shared. They had a monkey which gave a auto-sex show that you would not believe. Or maybe you would.
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PapaClay Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:54 PM
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54. Incriminating activity in Olongapo?
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 12:00 AM by PapaClay
DemoTex, the name do conjure up memories:

Crossing the Shit river bridge for the first time. OMG!

The endless math; numbah one! numbah ten!

Butterfly knives.

Ten cent beers at the club on Grande Island.

Being glad you had a double-buckle leather watch strap and not a Twist-o-flex.

Having special "Liberty Whites" because of the red dirt streets.

And, of course, the bars!

Other memories repressed due to age and the self-incrimination rule, thank you very much.

BTW, the boats those Spec 5's were running were almost certainly LCMs (Landing Craft Mechanized). Flat bottomed with a bow ramp, yes?

On edit: Don't remember any monkey shows in 'Po, but I'm sure I never made it to every bar (not for lack of effort, though).

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:56 AM
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64. I have done a few "liberties in Olongapo"
I won't get into details. :hi:
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JustJoe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:32 PM
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50. Fuerth, Germany
Drafted, 1966-68
Supply & Transportation
It's all a plastered, stoned blur
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:42 PM
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52. USCGA 7/61-4/63; US Army 3/68-11/69, USARV HQ 1-11/69 Long Binh (Sp/5)
The best 'honor' I can think of is working to make military service unnecessary and national service universal (everyone).
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:47 PM
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53. God bless all those who protected us and those who were innocent
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 11:48 PM by goforit
whom were dealt a raw deal by an idiot named W!!
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JustJoe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:21 AM
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59. Is your admiration for Bush
limited to his leadership of the military?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:59 AM
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66. I think he is a liar too.
Or one very dumb bozo.

Clinton Administration Accomplishments Serving Veterans

(Update for May 2000)

€ On February 7, 2000, the President submitted his FY 2001 budget to Congress to provide $48 billion in funding for VA. That amount includes a $1.5 billion increase over the previous year -- the largest increase in discretionary spending for veterans ever proposed by any President.

€ VA has been transformed from a hospital-based system to an ambulatory/outpatient system with approximately 1,241 sites where health care is delivered to veterans. Since 1994, VA has expanded its system to include 689 ambulatory and community-based clinics.

€ As a result of VA's transformation over the past five years, the number of patients treated increased by more than 24.4 percent; acute bed days of care reduced 67.8 percent; and outpatient visits have risen by more than 44 percent annually while staffing decreased by 11 percent.

€ On October 1, 1998, VA launched a new health-care benefits plan for veterans. It provides for easier access to a broader array of services at VA facilities throughout the United States as well as in Puerto Rico. By the end of 1999, more than four million veterans had enrolled in the VA health-care system. The new plan permits VA to provide a continuum of health care to veterans, better assess demand for services, and manage its resources to deliver care in the most appropriate setting.

€ VA has shown dramatic improvements in the quality of patient care in recent years, in a number of areas outperforming the private sector. VA is rolling out a world class patient safety process lead by the National Center for Patient Safety and its four Patient Safety Centers of Inquiry.

€ With about 36 percent of the total veteran population 65 years old or older (compared with 13 percent of the general population), long term care is a critical issue for America's veterans. VA is intensifying its strategy development for providing long term care for elderly veterans; in the meantime, all currently available long-term care beds will remain open to serve veterans.

€ Since 1995, VA has reduced its overall benefits staff by 2,200 employees (16 percent), but has increased the number of adjudication officers (individuals who process claims). By the year 2002, VA will have more than 6,000 adjudication officers more than half of its total benefits division's work force.

€ VA reached a new high in the percentage of benefits payments processed by Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT). Of the $1.7 billion in compensation and pension benefits paid monthly, more than 76 percent are through EFT, far surpassing the federal government average of 65 percent.

€ Education beneficiaries throughout the nation now receive toll-free telephone service by dialing 1-888-GIBILL1. They are first connected to an automated response system that provides general information, answers to frequently asked questions, recent payment information, and limited, beneficiary-specific master record information. Callers can opt to speak to an Education Case Manager at any time during the call if personal attention is wanted.

€ The President signed into law a provision to extend VA's authority to provide priority health care to Gulf War veterans through 2001. VA has contracted with the National Academy of Sciences to review and evaluate available scientific evidence to determine whether there is an association between illnesses Gulf War veterans are experiencing and their service in that war.

€ The President created a Military and Veterans Health Coordinating Board to improve collaboration between VA, Department of Defense, and the Department of Health and Human Services on a wide range of health care and research issues relating to past, present and future service in the Armed Forces.

€ The federal research commitment of VA and other departments on Gulf veterans' health issues has now reached $145 million cumulatively in support of 159 research projects.

€ VA established environmental research centers at three VA medical centers to explore the health effects of possibly toxic exposures on Gulf War veterans. The centers supplement other extensive VA research into the possible health effects of Gulf War service. Another center has been established to research the reproductive risks of military service, including Gulf War.

€ The President urged passage of unprecedented legislation (now law) to permit VA to pay compensation benefits to chronically disabled Gulf War veterans with undiagnosed illnesses. VA extended the manifestation period for undiagnosed illnesses through December 31, 2001.

€ VA established a special Gulf War Information Hotline (1-800-PGW-VETS), a Gulf War Review newsletter and town hall meetings to enhance communications with Gulf War veterans. Gulf War veterans may also find information through a Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses page on a VA World Wide Web site.

€ The Administration issued decisions that VA would award disability payments, on the presumption of exposure to Agent Orange or other herbicides, to Vietnam veterans suffering from respiratory cancers, multiple myeloma, Hodgkin's disease, the liver disorder porphyria cutanea tarda, prostate cancer, and acute and subacute peripheral neuropathy.

€ VA began providing compensation, health care and vocational training to Vietnam veterans' children who suffer from spina bifida. Health care is provided by the Shriners Hospitals for Children through an agreement with VA.

€ VA established the Center for Women Veterans (CWV) to assess and improve VA1s delivery of services to women veterans. The CWV participates in and promotes improvements to women veterans' programs by integrating clinical care, education outreach and research on women veterans-related issues.

€ VA established:
- Eight comprehensive women veterans' health centers;
- Four stress-disorder treatment centers for women veterans;
- A national counseling program at VA medical centers and readjustment counseling, or Vet Centers, across the country for sexual trauma victims;
- Policies assuring availability of gender-specific care, including mammography screening, at all VA health-care facilities;
- A Women Veterans' Division at VA's National Center for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder in Boston, Massachusetts; and
- Collaborative relationships with other federal agencies to assure women veterans' issues are incorporated into the national agenda on women. These relationships include: the Department of Health and Human Services Office of Women's Health; Department of Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Service and Council on Crime Victims Assistance Program; and the Department of Justice Violence Against Women Task Force.

€ There are few more compelling images than the fact that the Nation's defenders make up one third of America's homeless population. A recent national study indicates that for Americans under the age of 35, the risk of becoming homeless is greater if you are a veteran. VA is the only federal agency providing direct, hands-on assistance to the homeless.

€ In FY 00, VA will spend more than $150 million in support of its homeless initiatives, and will fund an additional $17 million in direct grants to homeless programs in communities across the nation. Over the past five years, the direct grants program has provided more than $41 million for community-based activities to help homeless veterans.

€ VA maintains collaborative relationships with the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Department of Labor, Department of Defense and Public Health Service to ensure minority veterans' issues are properly addressed by federal agencies.

€ VA's 18-member Advisory Committee on Minority Veterans issued three annual reports containing recommendations based on its evaluation of the effectiveness of VA programs and services in meeting the needs of minority veterans.

€ The VA Center for Minority Veterans conducted more than 40 town hall forums across the country, giving veterans a chance to share their concerns and have agency officials available to address them.

€ VA signed an agreement with the Navajo Nation to open a Vet Center on the reservation to provide counseling to Navajo veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder. Plans are being formulated to open three additional one-stop Vet Centers on other Indian reservations. VA and the Oneida Nation signed an historic agreement for the Oneida Health Clinic to provide medical services to veterans precluding them from traveling long distances to obtain care from a VA facility.

€ VA translates the annual "Federal Benefits for Veterans and Dependents" handbook into Spanish and posts it on the VA home page on the World Wide Web (www.va.gov/pubaff/fedben/spfedben.pdf).

€ VA increased by 83 percent the dollar value of contracts awarded to minority-owned small businesses since 1993.

€ VA's highly decentralized structure (second only to Defense in the number of facilities) creates significant opportunities for small and disadvantaged businesses. VA is the only federal agency to establish procurement goals for contract awards to veteran-owned businesses and spent $179 million with those firms in FY 1998.

€ The Administration, through the direct funding efforts and assistance of the Department of Labor, has helped an estimated 500,000 veterans find jobs.

€ A joint effort by the Departments of Defense, Labor and Veterans Affairs provided job assistance to 130,000 special disabled veterans.

€ The President signed the Veterans Employment Opportunity Act which preserves veterans preference for federal jobs.

€ In FY 1999, approximately 561,000 veterans died, more than 1,500 each day. The National Cemetery Administration (NCA) estimates that the annual number of veterans1 deaths will continue to climb for the next decade, with the number of interments in VA national cemeteries increasing to more than 108,000 by the year 2008.

€ NCA opened two new national cemeteries in 1999 (Saratoga National Cemetery in Albany, New York, and Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery near Chicago, Illinois) and will add two more in calendar year 2000: Dallas-Ft. Worth National Cemetery in Texas and Ohio Western Reserve National Cemetery near Cleveland, Ohio. These additions will increase the number of national cemeteries to 119, with more than 13,200 acres and 3 million projected gravesites.

€ The State Cemetery Grants program allows VA to fund construction of state veterans cemeteries, which complement VA national cemeteries. In FY 1999, grants totaling more than $7 million were awarded.

€ VA is working closely with Department of Defense (DOD) to ensure that our Nation's final tribute to those who have made personal sacrifices in defense of our Nation are carried out according to Public Law 106-65, the National Defense Authorization Act for FY2000. This law requires DOD to provide military funeral honors for all eligible veterans beginning January 1, 2000. The military funeral honors ceremony consists of the folding and presenting the United States burial flag and the playing of Taps. The law defines a military funeral honors detail as consisting of two or more uniformed military persons with at least one member of the veteran's parent service of the Armed forces.

€ In addition to making a vast array of VA information available to the public on the VA Internet site, VA now answers veterans' questions electronically on the federal government1s first interactive customer service page (www.va.gov/customer/consumer.htm).

€ VA, in conjunction with the Department of Health and Human Services, established an on-line data base to provide health care providers and patients with timely information about the potential effects of year 2000 date changes on specific biomedical equipment. VA has also taken the lead in National Patient Safety Partnership efforts to increase awareness of the need for appropriate measures to alleviate potential risks.

€ On Veterans Day 1998 at Arlington National Cemetery, President Clinton spoke movingly about the debt we owe our nation's veterans. He said:

"Every day, some of us have the privilege to see these silent white rows inscribed with their crosses and crescents and stars of David to remind us that our achievements in peace are built on the sacrifices of our veterans in war, and that we owe the most solemn debt to these brave Americans who knew their duty and did it so very well. We come together today to acknowledge that debt to them; a duty to provide for our veterans and their families, to give them every possible opportunity to improve their education; to find a job; to buy a home; to protect their health."

http://www.va.gov/pubaff/AAMAY00.htm

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:16 AM
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69. This little freeper has been on several other threads
and has been reported.... he's a typical lockstepping, goosestepping, butt kissing jr. lover.

Alert again....
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:54 AM
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62. This one didn't deserve a tombstone.
More like a urinal or an outhouse. :puke:
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worldcomflunky Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:16 AM
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70. I agree TahitNut......I agree.
This sorry son of a bitch sure as hell didn't deserve a tombstone. Junior and his gang are pushing my buttons lately. I am not even a vet and I have never even been in the military but I know enough to know you respect the shit out of the guys and gals that have served in uniform.

That AWOL bastard and his PNAC gang with their agenda that is getting our guys killed are doing everything they can to NOT respect our men and women in uniform. His ass is REALLY starting to piss me off. How many more days/weeks/months do we have to read about guys dying on a daily basis? One has to start to wonder. It sure as hell isn't going to stop. When will people wake up and say enough is enough. It's up to people like us and especially the mlitariy veterens on DU to make people aware this is not worth it. The freeper asshole just proved what's wrong with this country. Hey....asshole......you have my e-mail address.....e-mail me you chicken shit and let's talk man to man. You might be a chicken shit hawk worth saving. Let me be the judge of that. E-mail me.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:40 AM
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61. US Navy 1965-69......
...... spent the last three out of four years in Rota, Spain. Was an airedale. Our squadron flew big cargo planes. Never was on a ship the whole four years.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:55 AM
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63. U.S. Navy "Airdale" 4 years during Nam' Era.
Don't want to get to specific.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 12:59 AM
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65. Geez, why do I have to follow the troll?
USN 78-84 Got up to E5 as an ET.

Spent *3 years* in schools and never set foot on a ship. :shrugs:

NTC Orlando FL (tasty waves!)
NTC Great Lakes IL
Ft. Gordon GA, US Army Signal School
Keflavik Iceland NCS(1 year site survey for Satcom Station)
Latina Italy, NATO AFB (more Satcom school)
Keflavik Iceland NCS(2 years building Satcom Station)

After inviting me for another year in Iceland, I decided I'd frozen my nuts quite enough for a lifetime. Had enough of 3 months of sun and 3 months of night also.

Most memorable moments:

Getting the Blue-Nose certificate by flying on a P3 Orion into the Artic Circle and again by going to the area in northern Iceland where the astronuats used to train for moonwalks.

Getting tickets to see the Rolling Stones the same day we arrived in Italy and having my Chief teach me how to use a chillum without setting anyone on fire during the concert. (circa 1981 Tattoo You was most recent album)
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:02 AM
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67. US Army 1976-79
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:12 AM
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68. Blessings to every one of you.
Thank you for everything you did for all of us. I have tears streaming down my face, in awe of every one of you. Well, every one of you minus one.

Thank you for your courage, your sacrifices, and for being here.

Bless you all.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:37 AM
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71. Ummm...
just the army, July `67-May 70. Now working on being an aging hippie, because I missed that scene the first time around.

Cheers.
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:42 AM
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72. A kick & a big thank you
to all of the DU vets. I respect all of you more than I can say.
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Man_in_the_Moon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:48 AM
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73. Devil in Baggy Pants
Or I was...

Even have a Star on my Wings and a CIB for what went on during Dec of '89.

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austinboy Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:13 AM
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74. 1986-1992 US Air Foce
My job...I was/am a Medical Laboratory Technician (92450). Got out right after Desert Storm. Joined up right after high school because I didn't want to go to more classes after doing 12 yrs worth. :-) Dad said my choices were school or a job and living in Waco, TX at the time...well...you know how my story ended. There is a long line of military vets in my family, immediate and extended. So it was almost a no-brainer that my brother and I would serve. Did we re-up? Hell naw!!! :-)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:31 AM
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76. Alabama ANG '63-'71
106th Tactical Reconnaisance Squadron.
"Alone, unarmed, and unafraid."
Flew RF-84/F and kept the southeast United States safe from Cuban incursion.
"We killum with fillum."
;-)
And no, I didn't see *.
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thom1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:40 AM
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77. US Navy 1990-1995
I was a Nuclear Reactor Operator on a Fast Attack Submarine. I spent the first two years in schools in Orlando and Idaho, then 3 years aboard the USS Chicago, out of beautiful San Diego CA.
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tboullett Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:43 AM
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78. Air Cav
3/17 Air Cav
Nam 69-71
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Cornus Donating Member (720 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:49 AM
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79. Technically a Draft Dodger...
...but after college I didn't want to give up two years by being drafted (1960's) so I enlisted in the Army reserves and served six months active duty and five and a half years in the reserves. Unlike * I served my full six years without going AWOL.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:56 AM
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80. U. S. Navy 1979 - 1992
RTC Great Lakes 1979
NTTC Corry Station 1979
NSGA Hanza Japan 1979 - 1981
Naval Security Group Command 5/81 - 7/82
Pentagon 7/82 - 7/84
NTTC Corry Station/National Security Agency 7/84 - 2/85
NSGA Edzell Scotland 2/85 - 4/87
NSGD Rota Spain 4/87 - 4/90
National Security Agency 4/90 - 7/90
NSGA Edzell Scotland 7/90 - 10/92

In God We Trust. . .All others we Monitor.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:00 AM
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81. thanks
I was an Air Force sergeant back when few women were in the military. And I was an Air Force brat and let me tell you, the spouses and kids sacrifice a LOT, too.
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kubi Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:12 AM
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82. Army/Airforce
70-74 82nd Airborne
76-98 Air Force Security Police
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