America was so Pissed because of 9/11, we just had to lash out

[opihimoimoi]

If we can't Osama then the next guy in line... which happens to bew Saddam.

After all, it was he that started the whole mess in the first place. Saddam made a grab for Kuaite in DS1. That set in motion the Osama hate America because of presence in Saudi (our new airbase built in DS1).

and so, it was a collective vengence thing that Saddam had to endure. America had to kick somebodys ass no matter what. We lost 3000 good guys including 500 police, firemen, and ambulace personnel.
And, cuz shit flows down hill, if we cant find Osama, guess what Saddam, Hmmmmmmmmm. its yo turn baby.

Come, we go bar, we can feel good now. and,,,,I jus wanna know, did they find WMD in Saddams Mouth??

[IndianaGreen]

1. If we are pissed at one of our neighbors, are we justified in killing...

everyone else on that lives in our neighborhood?

America's response to 9/11 was the moral equivalent of bin Laden destroying the WTC and the 2,752 innocents in it to avenge his grievances against the Saudi royal family.

[opihimoimoi]

6. Madness reigns, no one said this World is Sane

Come, we look for Reason and Sanity on the Red Cross Roster of POWs

[IndianaGreen]

10. You are very wise, opihi

:loveya:

[anti_shrub]

2. Well remember

Saddam made his grab for Kuwait after getting assurance from the US ambassador that we were cool with it.

We know how that worked out.


Those mass graves that all the right wing blowhards talk about are filled because Poppy Bush told the people to rise up after GW I.

We know how that worked out too.


Also, don't forget that all the horrors Saddam wrought on his people were paid for by Reagan/Bush I because Iran was the evilness that had to be stopped.

We know....well you get the point.

[opihimoimoi]

5. Saddam for got the rule: What goes around comes......

and now he wants to negotiate

Laughable for sure.

[Room101]

3. The attack of the Patriotic Zombies

The bold italicized is a snippet from a NATION article.

But fear, once it begins to eat away at a nation, once it is manipulated by an all-powerful government, is not easily eradicated by reason. To someone who feels vulnerable, who imagines himself as a perpetual victim, who detects enemies everywhere, no punishment to the potential perpetrators is too light and no measure to insure safety too extreme.

Can that be any truer? Folks we are not dealing with rational thinking people, we are dealing with patriotic zombies. We are living in a culture of manufactured fear and crisis were being proud has become a substitute to rational thinking. There is a electronic Berlin wall between the truth and the masses. The bigger the lie the more likely Joe and Jane will believe it.

Bush has become a hell fire preacher of national security that uses dependency-creating language to induce helplessness and fear. But wait there is hope and salvation for “you are either with us or against us”, except me as your personal commander in chief and I will save you. This is pavlovian on such a grand scale, that I throw my hands up in horror. :crazy:

[opihimoimoi]

4. Re Patriotic Zombies!!!! I hear you. The GOP Psyops have created a monster

they being of sound body but of suspect mind.

It is amazing people can live in the same city, work side by side and yet have such divergent viewpoints. But, as of recent, we have shown the propensity for revenge to the degree of lashing out.

It was pressure built up for 2 years and 3 months. Now we can feel better, we hit someone.

[RBHam]

7. Can't wait until CNN covers the Iran-Iraq War years...

"I didn't expect them to send their court dwarf!"

[dreissig]

8. Bush Choice

The fact that Bush chose to lash out makes it seem inevitable, but it wasn't. There was a massive intelligence failure before and after September 11th.

Bush is a stupid man. Do you think his administration is one in which intelligence would flourish?

[opihimoimoi]

9. The stupid prez chooses stoopid staff? I think you might have something

there.

After all: the score shows we still losing.

[dpibel]

11. You are bold, Opihimoimoi

Put on your flame suit, because the patriots will be coming after you.

Isn't it amazing how the more the US kicks butt, the more the people seem to be afraid?

Kicking butt can get to be a bad habit. And it just doesn't solve anything.

[Isome]

12. One day...

The leaders of the world's smaller, struggling, less technologically-developed countries will learn that making deals with the U.S. is a kiss of death on their reign.

Noriega did it, and he's now in one of our prisons. The Shah did it and he had to be rescued from Iran and live out his days in exile. Idi Amin did it and he became the world's pariah after we yanked the rug of support out from under him. Pinochet is currently a pariah, but he had the foresight to write his immunity into law before he stepped down. Saddam did it and he, too, is in our custody.

One of these days they'll get the message though. If they want to be thug rulers, they'll have to do so on their own and not rely on the U.S. Otherwise, they'll only wind up on our bad side one day and we'll invade them as quick as we gave them our blessings.

[dpibel]

13. One more consideration

Edited to solve sudden illiteracy attack

They have to make sure they're not sitting on any real estate or resources that the US wants.

Of course, they're not going to get propped up by the US unless they've got resources or real estate. But anybody who tries to freelance where the US wants to go is a cooked goose, too.

[Isome]

14. Oops, I forgot about the resources part...

Doggone it, there's just so much to consider! ;-)

[opihimoimoi]

15. Learning to live in misery/pain and luving every minute of it. The GOP has

us convinced this is as best as it gets.

We Dems supect they be pulling out leg/

We Dems think we can do Far Better.

On Far less....

Its called : More Bang for the Buck>

[Isome]

16. Hmmm... n/t

[opihimoimoi]

17. More people should be "hmmmmmming" LOL

[loyalsister]

18. Vengeance = justice

I hate this concept! It was my thought that 9\11 should have been treated as a crime. A group of dangerous people, who needed to be found and brought to trial. It did not require leveling a single country- let alone two.
A very biting metaphor I read was that 9\11 was like the scene in Godfather II where Michael Corleone's home is fired on. "The family pays for the sins of the father" From there, we see the potential for the "father" to be reasonable, or turn into pure evil by being ruled by his vengeance. Interesting how accurately that methaphor continues. What we have seen (those of us who gather news outside of corporate media) is AT LEAST as disturbing as the scene with Fredo on the boat - after his little nephew sent him off.

[opihimoimoi]

19. Every other word outta Bush on this subject is Justice

Its part of the Psyops thing by the GOP Master Pubs

[Brewman_Jax]

20. Propaganda 101

Keep smiling and telling the big lie.

Is the timing of Saddam's "capture" a coincedence or just in time to stifle weak economic news? :shrug:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. This is exactly what Tom Friedman wrote back in March

or April. He said: "we had to hit someone..."
I couldn't believe it but he sure as hell said it.

[opihimoimoi]

22. Yup, "We had to hit someone" and the Shrub uses the term "Justice" like

its going outta style

[info being]

23. Don't use the word "we"

I didn't need to lash out and I didn't have a say in the matter...so how can it be "we"?