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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:40 AM
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Why do you think Gore endorsed Dean.....?
It's been a few days since this endorsement.

Do you think that Gore weighed the pros/cons of each candidate?

Do you think Gore will put his weight behind who had a better chance to win?

Was it self-serving in some way?

Maybe some people did not want to see "such an endorsement" before the primaries. Let the people decide for themselves?


What do you think...?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:42 AM
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1. I trust Gore. I think it was sincere.
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 08:47 AM by JVS
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:01 AM
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6. Agree. Remember, Gore gave a speech about how wrong the
war in Iraq was BEFORE the Howard Dean phenomena. Sincere.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:50 PM
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35. what he said is what he thought
gore sees that the only way to break the stranglehold on the corporate control of the democratic party is to back a strong grass roots movement.


dean's campaign has unleashed the energy for such a movment.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:44 AM
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2. I'm still amazed
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:46 AM
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3. I think it was sincere and I also
think he did it to help Dean in Iowa - if Dean wins Iowa and New Hampshire will be very good for him. Gephardt is (was the candidate to beat in Iowa)
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:49 AM
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4. My 2 cents -
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 08:50 AM by bitchkitty
Do you think that Gore weighed the pros/cons of each candidate?

Do you think Gore will put his weight behind who had a better chance to win?

Was it self-serving in some way?

  1. Yes. Al is a thoughtful man.
  2. I think he already did, if you consider his endorsement part of that weight.
  3. I don't think so, unless he gets a position in Dean's administration, and even then I don't think that is what he's bucking for. I think that he deserves a position of honor in any Democratic Administration, don't you?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:57 AM
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5. I think Gore saw the campaign he wishes he'd run in 2000:
one in which he could have revealed his passion, and spoken from his heart. And he's convinced that it's that kind of campaign which has the best chance of defeating Bush in 2004.

I believe it was a sincere decision, made in what Gore believes to be the party's and America's best interests.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:06 AM
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7. Answers to Your Questions
Do you think that Gore weighed the pros/cons of each candidate?

Yes. He said he did.

Do you think Gore will put his weight behind who had a better chance to win?

He did do that, yes.

Was it self-serving in some way?

Only in that Dean supports the issues he cares about, as he said in his endorsement speech. Otherwise, no.

Maybe some people did not want to see "such an endorsement" before the primaries. Let the people decide for themselves?

So far as I know, Al Gore is not counting any ballots. :-) Besides, Gore said he would endorse before the first primary, and nobody complained then.

Endorsements are simply advice. People are free to consider the advice or not.
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:11 AM
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8. To get people to stop pestering him
about getting into the race himself?
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:12 AM
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9. Gore vs Clinton
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 09:13 AM by YNGW
I still believe that Gore is POed that Clinton's missteps was a factor in making the last election as close as it was. With a time of peace and good economy, Gore should have won in a landslide, but he felt like he had to distance himself from Clinton. That was the main reason he chose Leiberman as his runningmate.

That being said, there is no love-lost between the Clinton's and the Gore's. Clinton pushed Clark to run, so Gore picked Dean. Besides, it's a natural transition of Gore supporters to the Dean candidacy since the foundation of the Dean campaign is built upon those who are angry over Florida 2000.

In a conversation the other day, a friend of mine said they thought Gore picked Dean hoping he would get the nomination and then lose to Bush, thereby setting himself (Gore) up as the candidate in 2008. I don't know what to make of it, but in politics nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:16 AM
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11. I have heard that as well...But I have a hard time looking at Al Gore
and seeing him capable of such Rovian tactics. I also think people make too much of a rift between the Gore/Clinton camps. Gore is his own man and so is Clinton. They are connected only as President and VP. They were never best friends. :shrug:
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lotteandollie Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:39 PM
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30. Agreed...but his own missteps cost him as well
I'll never forget those debates with Bush. He came off as a BSing jerk during the first debate. During the second, I thought he was going to raise his hand and ask permission to go to the bathroom, trying to compensate for how he looked in the first. OK I lied, I said I would never forget the debates...but I did forget the third...anyone who was watching the debates to make up their mind had already decided.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:13 AM
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10. To narrow the race
He may love Dean, which is fine w/ me. What I like about the endorsement is that it's going to kill the people who have no shot. Focusing the debate and money on the top guys.

Especially w/ the saddam frenzy, I'll take that is a heartbeat.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:17 AM
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12. Several thousand letters asking him to do so might have had influence
Gore can recognize a rising wave and is swimming with the current.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:33 AM
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14. Gore made a few very stupid blunders during the 2000 campaign-
why should the 2004 campaign be any different?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:27 AM
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13. Because he and Dean both like Wall St...a lot.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:48 AM
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20. Most $2000 donations, other than Chimp?
John Edwards.

Doesn't bother you though, does it? He MUST be for the working man.


www.opensecrets.org
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:06 AM
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26. I can't tell you how encouraging it is that a guy who takes no $ from
DC lobbyists and from PACs generates enough enthusiasm that Democrats with cash are willing to make that kind of contribution to his campaign.

Those people are lawyers who know where he's coming from -- they went to law school, and work hard, and know how the civil justice system works (or doesn't work) -- and they know that their interests are the interests of the people and they know that Bush is threatening those interests and they know that Edwards has the skills to beat Bush and fight for American values.

I LOVE that Edwards gets that kind of cash.

And that doesn't change the fact that Al Gore loves the corporate boards, and loves his Wall St connections. You know, Greg Palast said the reason Gore didn't fight to have every vote counted at least once was because Wall St called him and told him that he shouldn't expect any corporate board memberships if he didn't cooperate with Bush.

Yesterday, we learned that Al Gore Sr made most of his millions (that weren't in the farm) from sitting on boards.

And what about Dean? I just read an article in the Prospec this morning, and I read his education plan, both of which suggest that Dean also loves Wall St.

I think that's the connection between these two guys.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:20 PM
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42. Your posts make less & less sense. Edwards is getting $1,700
a pop.

Dean is getting $82 a pop.

Yet Dean is raising a lot more money.

Now then, which candidate is more beholden to his big money contributors?

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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:42 PM
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44. Dean is the candidate MOST beholden to his contributers...
...he is "People-powered Howard" isn't he?

I'm not sure if my post is positive or negative, but I just think Dean has run on a platform that emphasises payback for his supporters (not in money, but in influence) - a strategy that hasn't ever really been employed by a candidate that is very interesting.

Edwards and the other candidates never speak about their contributors, but Dean makes his supporters feel like they really are paying for something. It really is a whole new way of fundraising that really has nothing to do with being beholden or not. "You have the power!"
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:34 AM
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15. Because he wants to be on the ticket in 2008 and Howard Dean
is his best opportunity to achive that goal.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:36 AM
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:38 AM
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17. No Darlin, it's an opinion.....get used to them...your on a political
chat board.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:39 AM
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18. it's an opinion that's not even backed up by any facts
and bringing it up is basically worthless.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:00 AM
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25. And not a very well-informed opinion, to boot...
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 10:05 AM by alg0912
You clearly know little about Albert Gore. He knows what's at stake if Bush is re-elected, and, as he's proven repeated in the past, would NEVER put his own fortunes ahead of the fortunes of the United States. To think so shows you are politically naive. Of course, you're welcomed to list examples of Gore's political ruthlessness to prove your point...
:hi: ABB!

On edit: The Willie Horton thing back in 1988 is irrelevant, because it's clear that Al Gore learned from that mistake, since it ultimately helped Poppy win the election. Too bad the other Dem candidates (especially their supporters) aren't as quick to learn that lesson...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:39 AM
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19. Because Dean has the best chance at winning the election and he's the best
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 09:40 AM by mzmolly
on the issues.

That's why. Same reason these folks did.

http://www.gay-civil-unions.com/HTML/Politics/Howard_Dean_Endorsements.htm

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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:49 AM
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21. Thanks for making my argument for me and the inpending
disaster that's coming up in 2004.
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:57 AM
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24. I mean will all the issues and baggage this guy carries,
like sealed records, slanderous "Spider Hole of Denial" comments, Middle Class Tax policy, weakness on National Defense, and Forgein Policy speculation, and you have to go and throw and endorsement by a website titled www.gay-civil-unions.com to the forefront. That's a wonderful strategy, that'll win us at least a few southern states I'm sure.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:09 AM
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28. Spider hole of denial???
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 11:07 AM by alg0912
Tell me, how does Saddam's capture change things in Iraq? Are we winning the war now? Is the war suddenly justifiable? Are the WMD's going to miraculously appear?

Also, what makes you think that the sealed records contain anything relevant? Maybe you missed this, but Dean says he'll leave it up to the courts whether to unseal the records. Letting the courts decide is pragmatic, since they can determine if unsealing the records will compromise the privacy of other parties named in the records...
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:29 PM
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39. you got that right
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 01:31 PM by TorchTheWitch
Are the WMD's going to miraculously appear?

Bet on it. Expect to see "satellite" photos showing a convoy of WMD headed for the Syrian boarder. The question is what strategic moment will they use to drop that one on us.

(on edit: I tell ya, those itallics are just out to get me)
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:42 PM
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40. I really don't think so...
Given the drubbing the Bush admin has taken about the WMD claim, they would've "planted" them long before now. They won't now because the CIA and the military wouldn't be complicit with such a thing. Remember, both were wary of complying w/ the "March to War" before it took place - they aren't Bush fans...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:50 PM
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33. Gay Civil Unions to the forefront?
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 12:54 PM by mzmolly
Additionally, Clark shares Deans position on this issue does he not?

Since you didn't like the website, :eyes: here is another list, not fully updated.

DEAN IS ENDORSED BY:
(Partial Listing)

AFSCME
International Union of Painters
Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
Congressman Raul Grijalva (D-AZ)
Congressman Bob Filner (D-CA)
Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)
State Assemblyman John Longville (D-CA)
Ex-Governor Lowell Weicker (I-CT)
City Council Chair Pro Tempore Jack Evans (D-DC)
Broward County Comm. Sue Gunzburger (D-FL)
Congressman Neil Abercrombie (D-HI)
Ex-Governor Cecil Andrus (D-ID)
2002 Governor Nominee Jerry Brady (D-ID)
Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL)
State Rep. Polly Butka (D-IA)
Ex-State House Minority Leader Dick Myers (D-IA)
Ex-State Dem. Chair Sheila McGuire Riggs (D-IA)
State Rep. Cindy Winckler (D-IA)
State Del. Curt Anderson (D-MD)
State Del. Elizabeth Bobo (D-MD)
State Del. Bill Bronrott (D-MD)
State Del. Kathleen Dumais (D-MD)
State Del. Brian Feldman (D-MD)
State Del. Peter Franchot (D-MD)
State Sen. Brian Frosh (D-MD)
State Sen. John Giannetti (D-MD)
State Del. Marilyn Goldwater (D-MD)
State Del. Ana Sol Gutierrez (D-MD)
State Del. Mary Dulany James (D-MD)
State Del. Ed Kasemeyer (D-MD)
State Del. Susan Lee (D-MD)
State Del. Rich Madaleno (D-MD)
State Del. Karen Montgomery (D-MD)
State Del. Salima Marriot (D-MD)
State Del. Gareth Murray (D-MD)
State Del. Doyle Niemann (D-MD)
State Del. Obie Patterson (D-MD)
State Del. Victor Ramirez (D-MD)
State Del. Justin Ross (D-MD)
Ex-Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke (D-MD)
Ex-Democratic National Chair Steve Grossman (D-MA)
State Rep. Pat Jehlen (D-MA)
State Rep. Jay Kaufman (D-MA)
State Rep. Charles Murphy (D-MA)
State Rep. Frank Smizik (D-MA)
State Rep. Bill Straus (D-MA)
State Rep. Andy Meisner (D-MI)
Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak (D-MN)
State Rep. Peter Allen (D-NH)
Keene Mayor Mike Blastos (D-NH)
State Rep. Ruth Bleyler (D-NH)
State Rep. Candace Bouchard (D-NH)
State Labor Commissioner Jim Casey (D-NH)
State Rep. Ned Densmore (D-NH)
State Rep. Estelle Diamond (D-NH)
Ex-State Party Chair Romeo Dorval (D-NH)
State Rep. Tim Dunn (D-NH)
State Rep. Peter Espiefs (D-NH)
Ex-USMC Commandant Joseph Hoar (D-NH)
Ex-State Senate President Ralph Hough (D-NH)
State Rep. Claudette Jean (D-NH)
State Rep. Lionel Johnson (D-NH)
State Rep. Nancy Johnson (D-NH)
State Rep. Jane Kelley (R-NH)
Ex-State Dem. Chair Mike King (D-NH)
State Rep. David Meader (D-NH)
State Rep. Joseph Miller (D-NH)
State Rep. McKim Mitchell (D-NH)
State Rep. Jessie Osborne (D-NH)
State Rep. Jay Phinizy (D-NH)
State Rep. Fran Potter (D-NH)
State Rep. John Pratt (D-NH)
State Rep. Barbara Richardson(D-NH)
State Rep. Tim Robertson (D-NH)
State Rep. Gloria Seldin (D-NH)
State Rep. Betsy Shultis (D-NH)
State Rep. Claire Snyder (D-NH)
State Rep. Hilda Sokol (D-NH)
State Rep. Mary Stuart-Gile (D-NH)
State Rep. Anna Tilton (D-NH)
State Rep. Mary Jane Wallner (D-NH)
State Rep. Amy Webber (D-NH)
Congressman Frank Pallone (D-NJ)
State Assemblyman Jonathan Bing (D-NY)
State Sen. Tom Duane (D-NY)
State Assemblyman Dick Gottfried (D-NY)
Congressman Maurice Hinchey (D-NY)
Ex-State Party Chair Judith Hope (D-NY)
Congressman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Congressman Major Owens (D-NY)
Ex-US Senator Howard Metzenbaum (D-OH)
Congressman Tim Ryan (D-OH)
Ex-Governor David Walters (D-OK)
Secretary of State Bill Bradbury (D-OR)
Ex-Governor Barbara Roberts (D-OR)
Congressman David Wu (D-OR)
State Rep. Brenda Lee (D-SC)
State Rep. David Mack (D-SC)
Ex-Governor John West (D-SC)
State Rep. Seth Whipper (D-SC)
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX)
Ex-Lt. Governor Don Beyer (D-VA)
Ex-Congresswoman Leslie Byrne (D-VA)
Burlington Mayor Peter Clavelle (Progressive-VT)
State Sen. Jim Condos (D-VT)
State Rep. Howard Cross (D-VT)
State Rep. Martha Heath (D-VT)
Ex-Governor Phil Hoff (D-VT)
US Senator Jim Jeffords (I-VT)
Ex-Governor Madeleine Kunin (D-VT)
US Senator Pat Leahy (D-VT)
State Sen. James Leddy (D-VT)
State Rep. William Lippert (D-VT)
Ex-Governor Tom Salmon (D-VT)
State Rep. John Tracy (D-VT)
State Senate President Peter Welch (D-VT)
State Dem. Chair Paul Berendt (D-WA)
Ex-Governor Booth Gardner (D-WA)
Ex-State Dem. Chair Karen Marchioro (D-WA)
Congressman Jim McDermott (D-WA)
State Sen. Jon Erpenbach (D-WI)

Add one President Al Gore. :hi:

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/Search?query=endorsements&inc=10
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:54 PM
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38. "Spider hole of denial"
LOL!

You've taken pundit speak to the ultimate! LOL!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:47 PM
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32. Thanks for making mine for me...all the Clarkies have is....
"Dean's not electable" he he. Pathetic. :beer: Not drinkin your koolaid, thanks anyhow :hi:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:56 AM
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22. It's obvious - Dean's positions closely mirror Gore's...
...more so than any other candidate. Gore also recognizes that tenacity is the only way to beat Bush in 2004. Dean is by far the most tenacious candidate.

Dean is the candidate Gore wishes he was in 2000, plain and simple...
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:01 AM
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29. I would agree... it will be interesting to see ho wthis plays out
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phiddle Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:56 AM
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23. It's the right strategic move.
I think he's sincere in preferring Dean to the others. But also, the Democratic party needs two things: a clear, visible candidate (as opposed to the current crowd of 9), and to distinguish itself from the Republicans, which is less possible with a Iraq-enabling Senator as our standard bearer. The Gore endorsement helps both of these aims by accelerating the winnowing out of the candidates (Lieberman is now finished, Kerry and Gephart nearly so). I agree with Pat Buchanan who, in a recent op-ed, sees Gore's endorsement as a shot to move the party away from Clinton/DLC control to a more progressive and less corporate stance.
As for the nomination, there are 3 possibilities, and Gore's endorsement makes sense for all 3:
1. Dean sails to the nomination. Under this scenario, Gore's endorsement helps put the establishment seal of approval on Dean, making it more likely that unions and the DLC will back him.
2. Opposition to Dean coalesces behind a strong rival, most likely Clark. As noted above, there's only room for ONE alternative to Dean, and the others need to get out of the way soon. Should this alternative person come from behind to get the nomination, then the Democratic party needs to have the Dean forces, money and network behind the nominee. Al's endorsement of Dean enables him to act as mediator and conciliator.
3. Arrival at the convention with no candidate having a majority of delegates. (Given the large # of superdelegates, i.e., party officials not elected in a primary process and largely unpledged to any candidate, this is a distinct possibility.) Should this be the case, then the endorsement of Dean makes Gore the most likely compromise candidate, and helps to avoid a bruising fight. This would have the effect of consolidating for the Democrats the outreach and activism which Dean has sparked.
I think that Al's endorsement of Dean is both sincere, and REALLY REALLY smart.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:07 AM
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27. I think it was a message against the Dem establishment
I think that Gore still harbors a lot of resentment towards the DLC for basically pushing him out of the race this time around. His views coincide with Dean's to a large extent. I believe that he would have supported Dean eventually, but I believe that the timing was more geared towards making a statement. But I also believe that Gore has been marginalized by some in the Democratic party, and it is a little disengenuous for them to complain about his undue influence on the primary election after all the complaints after 2000 about how horrible his campaign was and that his populist message was all wrong.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:44 PM
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31. Because he wanted to?
Why does it matter why?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:50 PM
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34. Gore's major positions are completely different than Dean's
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 01:00 PM by zulchzulu
Let's see here.

Gore endorsed Dean because he'd be "good for America" and that no one should criticize the apparently nominated Democratic candidate for President more than a month before any vote is even cast.

Additionally, now Dean can't say he's a Washington Outsider since he's linked up to Gore, the ultimate Washington Insider.

My guess is that Gore wanted to get back into the headlines and maybe meet cute Deaniac babes. :9

Let's look at how differently and in most cases how diametrically opposed Dean and Gore on major issues:

GOP’s Attempt to Cut $270 Billion from Medicare by slowing growth to 7%

Dean Also Supported Medicare Cuts-- Said Medicare Growth Should Be Cut to 7 Percent or Less.

“Even Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, the Democratic chairman of the National Governors Association and one of the GOP's severest critics, said, ‘I fully subscribe to the notion that we should reduce the Medicare growth rate from 10 percent to 7 percent, or less if possible.’”

The Congressional Quarterly Almanac described the October 19, 1995 vote as “Passage of the bill to cut $270 billion over seven years from Medicare, the federal heath insurance program for the elderly.”



Gore Criticized Bush for Supporting Medicare Cuts
“’Mr. Gingrich came after Medicare and tried to cut $270 billion out of it and make a whole series of structural changes that he predicted at the time would cause Medicare to wither on the vine," Mr. Gore said in Des Moines, Iowa, on Wednesday - the third straight day he invoked the former speaker, beginning Monday in the key battleground state of Florida.

‘Do you remember him saying that?’ the vice president asked, drawing nods from a number of people.’Mr. Bush spoke up in support of that plan. He applauded it. He said it was a good plan,"’ Mr. Gore said, referring to 1995 comments by the Texas governor.”


Dean Vs. Al Gore On The Environment

Environmentalist leaders in the state also note that Dean’s record as governor was, in general, much more moderate than his presidential campaign coverage would indicate – and that the positions he is taking in his campaign are more progressive than those he espoused as governor.”

“Gore accepted the endorsement of the nonpartisan New York League of Conservation Voters and highlighted what may be one of his strongest assets: his reputation as an ardent environmentalist.”
Los Angeles Times, 2/25/00

Clean Water

“Dean Has Failed to Provide Leadership” On Clean Water.
“The federal Clean Water Act is nearly 30 years old, yet the state of Vermont which brags to the heavens about its environmental reputation has failed to insist on all the steps necessary to clean up lakes and streams. Vermont reported last year that 129 stretches of river and lake are so polluted they fail to meet state water-quality standards.

Gore Made Clean Water Act An Issue Against Cheney in 2000

Gore attacked Cheney for not supporting the Clean Water Act Gore was an Original Cosponsor of the Water Quality Act of 1987. Al Gore was an original cosponsor of the Water Quality Act of 1987, which amended the nation's main water pollution control law, the Federal Water Pollution Control Act of 1972
(the Clean Water Act).

Kyoto

Dean Unenthusiastic About Kyoto“Dean, who also is running for president, said there are good reasons to be careful about the agreement.”

“Dean has been ciritical of the Kyoto global warming treaty.”


Gore Helped Write Kyoto“Helped produce an agreement at the Kyoto Global Warming Conference among 150 nations for limiting the amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that are released into the atmosphere.”

Middle Class Tax Cuts

“You Can’t Pay For Health Care If You Have … Tax Cuts for Middle-Class People.” “Mr. DEAN: We are going to repeal the Bush tax cuts. You can't pay for health insurance if you have those tax cuts, including the tax cuts for middle-class people. Most middle-class people never got a tax cut from George Bush, and I'm sure they'd rather have health insurance for everybody than the hundred dollars they got from George Bush's tax cut.”

Would Go Back to Taxes Before Cuts.

“MR. DEAN: Somebody said once, ‘Oh, you know, the governor, he thinks we shouldn't have a tax cut. He can't win, you know. He's going to raise taxes.’ I'm not going to raise taxes. We're just going to go back to the same taxes that Bill Clinton had, because I think most people in America would be glad to pay the taxes they paid when Bill Clinton was the president of the United States -- (cheers, applause) -- if they could only have the economy they had when Bill Clinton was president of the United States.”


Dean Said Tax Cuts Not Way to Help Middle Class.

“In Iowa City, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean called Bush a poor custodian of the nation's economy and condemned the Bush tax cuts as handouts for big corporations. ‘Guess who got the tax cut? It certainly wasn't anyone here,’ Dean told more than 200 union members at a Labor Day picnic. ‘I believe the way to improve the economy is to give working people a reasonable and fair wage and a decent set of working conditions so maybe they could put a little bit of money into the economy.’”

Vice President Al Gore:

“We can have a very large tax cut that is geared mostly to the wealthiest in our society, or we can have middle-class tax cuts that are targeted and affordable and we can invest in education.” “Al Gore supports marriage penalty tax relief”
—Laura Quinn, DNC spokesperson

“Al Gore wants them to know about his vision for the future of this nation. That, at this time of unprecedented prosperity, we should use our surplus to enrich all families, not just the few, that we should strengthen families and help parents, and that means investing in education, in middle class tax cuts and secure retirement.”
– Tad Devine

Gun Control

Dean Said Gore Lost Because He Supported Gun Safety. “Dr. Dean himself has said that Al Gore would be president today were it not for support of gun control. Like many other Democrats, he is mindful of Mr. Gore's losses in the 2000 election in states where gun control is not popular, like Tennessee, Florida, Arkansas and West Virginia.”


Dean Sees Limited Role for Federal Government on Guns. Here's what my position is and what it would be as president. Keep the assault weapons ban. I favor that and it ought to be renewed. Keep the Brady bill, close the gun-show loophole, and then let every state decide for themselves what additional gun control they need.


Gore Supports More Guns Safety Measures.

“In the end, the Senate narrowly approved a proposal requiring mandatory background checks for all gun show sales. Vice President Al Gore cast a tie breaking vote.

ALBERT J. GORE, JR, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:
‘We're reminded again that until we get more controls in a sensible way on the easy availability of guns in our society to children, to criminals, to those who are mentally disturbed then these tragedies will continue.’”

NRA

Dean Bragged About His “A” Rating From NRA. “Part of Dean's appeal in Iowa, and in gun-friendly New Hampshire, will be his opposition to gun control. ‘I have an A rating from the National Rifle Association,’ Dean reminds Iowans.”

Dean was endorsed by the NRA in 8 elections. About half of the state’s homicides from the past five years were blamed on guns.

NRA Says They Defeated Gore in 2000.

“’You are why Al Gore isn't in the White House,’ NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre told more than 4,500 delegates at the group's annual meeting on Saturday. ‘No other group could have done what we did collectively in 2000, and now it's time to finish the job,’ NRA lobbyist James Jay Baker said.”


Gore Spokesperson Bragged About Gore’s Fight With NRA.

“’If you can judge your character by the enemies you make, Al Gore has a very strong character,’ Lehane said. ‘The NRA is opposed to common-sense gun reform, and they have George Bush in their hip holster, and they're planning on having an office in Bush's West Wing,’ Lehane added, referring to the Texas governor and presumed Republican presidential nominee. ‘But Al Gore will continue to fight for America's families, and to fight against the NRA,’ Lehane said.”
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:52 PM
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36. OMG, somebody notify Al Gore!
:O
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:48 PM
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41. Proof Gore was completely motivated by the wrong reasons
I have even less rspect for Gore after reading that post. Thanks.
Gore's an ass- like the guy he picked.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:30 PM
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43. That is impossible
We all know that Gore has no political aspirations.;)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:52 PM
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45. Totally weird primary
Can't understand why people are suddenly flipping to a guy who has been for what they're against. We see it all over the place. The only thing I can figure is they believe Dean's election year enlightenment. I hope they're right, I don't think they are.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:54 PM
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37. Tony Coehlo said in a revealing interview right afterwards that
Gore wanted to stay involved but didn't want to run because he didn't want to give up his business interests. He could appear whenever he wanted to and not have to give up his other activities.

It will be interesting to see how active Gore will be.

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