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[Skidmore]

1. I second that...

You can tell a lot about a society by the way it treats its young, its old, and infirm AND by the way it respects those who have gone before.

[Mika]

3. LOL

"AND by the way it respects those who have gone before. "

Like naming football teams and SUV's after Native American Nations and leaders after our gov't murdered them and expropriated their land?

[Skidmore]

4. Exactly....you got it....

nt

[Blue_Chill]

10. LoL yourself

You have no right to complain about SUV names when you are no more respectful. You are what you hate.

[Mika]

13. No right?

"You have no right to complain about SUV names when you are no more respectful."


I didn't realize that B.H. bashing required a special bfee approved 1st Amendment zone.

[Terwilliger]

35. definitely does when American and religious values are threatened

by the fact that Hope was such a right-wing nutcase...it's a bit too discomfiting for his supporters

I think we should get video of Hope's body...so everybody can see that he's dead.

[CWebster]

2. Just out of curiousity

Does it extend to Saddam's sons?

Or is it acceptible to abuse the corpses of those in other cultures?

[bryant69]

7. For Centuries

Moral people have based their morality on people they didn't like. It is only appropriate when looking at how we should respect the dead to discuss how President Bush respects the dead--so that we might follow his example. As a person we mostly despise and totally disgree with, it is only natural that if he does something, there's nothing wrong with us doing it.

Bryant
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[Terwilliger]

16. what do we lose?

by never standing up to those things that are bad? like rich old white men you want me to have respect for even though they're at the center of everything wrong with the country?

when do we get pissed off enough not to care about their damn feelings? when do say, fuck respect until you bring the goddamn soldiers you entertain back home? why do you support the death machine that kills off so many of our young?

Respect for the dead would DEMAND that we make war on all those things that we think are wrong with this country. Fuck Hope and every Repuke supporter that came before. They've supported imperialist death and should get no respect.

[deutsey]

23. Well said

Have we no sense of decency...at long last, have we no sense of decency?

[Desertrose]

9. it damn well should...

what difference does it make the nationality...??

we're all the same ....human beings on planet earth.

dead is dead...and probably in most all cases there is at least one person somewhere who loved that person...

IMO- what the US did to the Husseins will come back to bite us in the ass....un friggin believable!! ...and we call ourselves civilized????

( Re: Bob Hope- anybody who made it through 100 years on this crazy planet deserves at least a modicum of respect!)

Peace
DR

[DemoTex]

5. "Nil mortuii dire nisi bonum"

Of the dead, say nothing but good."

[Lost4words]

6. I respect the DEAD, and I really miss Jerry Garcia.

As far as ass holes that drop dead, well I like them better now.
Respect for the living first, when I see that I will have respect for the dead. Living is the time people have a choice of good or bad, those who contribute to humanity I will mourn.
Those who contribute to inhumanity I will cellebrate upon their passing.

Dont start this no grave dancing thing again , it will make me very upset! Death is not some cleansing process where all are returned to some natural Clean state.

Evil is evil in death also.

[diamond14]

11. "Somebody's got to do it...it's just incredibly pathetic that it

has to be us"....Jerry Garcia

an inspiring thought as we push forward to
BOOT bush* in 2004

Re-Defeat bush* in 2004

The Aggressive Progressives
www.Democrats.com

[Terwilliger]

12. there is no evil

thats all bunk

[Lost4words]

18. ok evil wrong word , how bout less than good?

T what do you mean evil is bunk!

please explain...........

[Terwilliger]

20. evil is a construct of people who have no explanation for bad things

but there is no evil...there's nature

[Lost4words]

24. ok then , bad things

guess I was using evil as a way to refer to people who do bad things out of nature.

T, you are sounding stressed,............ light-en up, I am on your side,... dont attack my missuse of one word.

:smoke:

[Terwilliger]

32. just debunked "evil" is all

there is no evil...thats an invention of the religious

[ima_sinnic]

39. evil = no conscience

well, that's the way I see it.

[diamond14]

14. bush* leads....displaying bloated bloody human heads of

his trophy killings....

what are we supposed to do ? we're just following our 'glorious' leader....he leads, we follow...the shrub has set the new tone for respecting the dead...

[GalleryGod]

15. Who can forget the Non-Stop Trashing of Jackie on CSPAN

They opened-up the phones and the Right just spewed forth! Smarmy, "I'm a bidnessman" types,Phyliss Schaflyesque women,Rushboy wannabes, it was awful. The CSPAN moderator stood by and let it happen. Even when some callers directly challenged her (Susan Swain) to get Lamb on the phone to do something. Candy Crowley (before she begat the W monniker of 'Dulce'), the guest reporter, was aghast!

God Bless Bob!
He entertained lots of my friends in 'Nam!:toast:

[JNelson6563]

17. While I disagree that because someone dies

they are automatically due some respect I have to agree that the Hope thread of earlier, now thankfully locked, was horrible.

I could see if he had been responsible for terror, deaths, poverty and/or other horrors. He did try to contribute in his way and that should be appreciated. I'll bet there are many vets very grateful to him for going to the trouble to bring a bit of home to them.

Now when the Bushies begin to die off, do not expect me to suddenly issue statements of respect. I will be rejoicing for the entire human race. Same holds true for others, like Kissinger etc. The death of evil is a good thing.

I would add though that I would be against dragging their bodies through the streets or displaying pictures of their dead bodies. Dead human bodies shouldn't be disrespected, no matter who it is. As to their character, they will reap what they sow.

Julie

[Terwilliger]

21. Hope was like every other Puke

or is everything I hear about "Pukes" all wrong?

[JNelson6563]

27. like I said previously

I could see if he had been responsible for terror, deaths, poverty and/or other horrors. He did try to contribute in his way and that should be appreciated. I'll bet there are many vets very grateful to him for going to the trouble to bring a bit of home to them.

Julie

[Terwilliger]

31. like I said

he entertained the troops so they wouldn't think about the fact that they were being asked to kill themselves to insure political power and American might

would it be ok if Hope went and entertained troops in Baghdad?

[Lost4words]

28. How did Bob Hope use his wealth to improve the human condition?

he didn't. With his vast wealth and real estate holdings I cant think of a single Bob Hope wing at a hospital or the BH scholorship. or the BH cancer research center. If I am wrong, list his contributions.

[OneBlueSky]

37. okay . . . you're wrong . . .

The Bob and Dolores Hope Foundation gives away about a million dollars a year . . . grants for the latest year I can find include $100,000 each to the House Ear Institute, the New York Hospital/Cornell Medical Center, the Cardinal Manning House in LA, and $175,000 to St. Joseph' Church in NYC for an extended day care program . . . on the negative side, they also gave $100,000 each to the Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan Libraries (but only $10,000 to the George Bush Library) . . .

btw, I was never a Bob Hope fan, but you have to respect his annual Christmas visits to US troops all over the world . . . I'm sure he funded these little outings as well . . . all I can say is Rest in Peace to someone who certainly did far more good than harm in his life . . . which is about all we can aspire to . . .

[Lost4words]

22. I agree with Julie,

I would add though that I would be against dragging their bodies through the streets or displaying pictures of their dead bodies. Dead human bodies shouldn't be disrespected, no matter who it is. As to their character, they will reap what they sow.

I wish I had said that in my post! :hi:

[kentuck]

19. It's about humanity...

Death is something most of us will face before we are ready. It is the final deed of the good and the evil. When death knocks on the door, the game is over. There is no necessity to continue the personal attacks - only in the sense of what he/she did for good or bad in the totality of their lives. The book is written. There are no more chapters.

[ichiro99]

25. Eulogizing the winding down of another of the neo-cons' ...

showbiz fixtures ought to fill up the weekend news nicely. Yeah, could maybe spread the bulshit into Tuesday or Wednesday. It was either this or Kobe Bryant as this month's 'Dangerous Black Guy!' Now, BH can serve the War Department even in death -- what with endless low-budget black-and-white for the suckers: Hope extolling the troops' manliness, Hope this, Hope that. Blah blah blah.

"...When some Democrats demanded to know what Bush knew about the terror threats before Sept. 11, Cheney delivered a blunt warning. 'My Democratic friends in Congress,' Cheney said, 'they need to be very cautious not to seek political advantage by making incendiary suggestions, as were made by some today, that the White House had advance information that would have prevented the tragic attacks of 9/11.'" Washington Post, May 17, 2002

[robbedvoter]

26. I will show Bob Hope as much respect as he showed MLK

when he was killed - and dearly departed Bob joked a whole night at the Oscars about it. I also promise not to peddle pictures or videos of his dead body to anyone.

[Lost4words]

30. wow I didnt know that.

Lets see, Bob Hope or Martin Luther King, who was better for the United States?

[Nazgul35]

29. Personally....

If I thought the person was a sunofabitch in life, and said so, I find it hypocritical to now suddenly respect the same said person just cause they died...in fact, it's a reason to celebrate!

Being critical is NOT the same thing as drogging bodies through the streets, and not saying the things you are really thinking is being hypocritical...now i'm not saying you show up at the funeral and dance on the coffin but don't pretend the person was a nice guy just cause they bought it...

[bloom]

34. It can be better to not say anything - unlike these quotes about Wellstone

It can be better to not say anything if you didn't like a person- unlike these quotes about Wellstone taken from the "Paul Wellstone Memorial"


"Enjoy your ticket to hell. Was it worth it?"


"Rot in Hell, baby-killing tyrant."


"Your death will fire up our wacko base, and get out the vote. Sorry, but you can't make an omlet, with out breaking a few eggs."


"GOP now controls the Senate!"


"Wellstone finally did something good for America enjoy HELL BABY KILLER"


"Im glad to see Terry McAuliff's new election strategy..Kill some democrats and garner the "sympathy vote"!!!!Thats the only way democrats are going to gain any seats this November. Doesnt Paul have a 14 year old surviving daughter I can go "comfort"?"


"If you liberals want to feel better then just pretend Wellstone was aborted. After all, everyone knows how abortion brings a smile to your faces."


_______________________

I don't usually keep such obnoxious things - but they wanted to make enemies and they suceeded. And I don't want to forget.

[DS1]

33. No

Death does not automatically grant someone a free pass, when Reagan goes, I'll still call him a useless bag 'o shite.

[Spoonman]

36. Apply it closer to home

So if your mother or father was a hard core conservative and voted for Regan would you refer to them as "useless bag 'o shite" in their eulogy?

No, respect for the deceased is not a political issue, it is an indicator of a civilized culture.

[SoCalDem]

38. Bob Hope (whatever his politics) was not mean

I have seen him in person and have enjoyed watching his movies when I was a kid..

He lived a long life..a good life.. and now he's gone..

Stuff like this is what's sad.. a national icon has gone, and even if he was a republican , he personally was a good one.. He entertained kids all over the world who needed a spirit lifting during war..

He was never that "ha-ha" funny, but he had a gentle humore about him, and I never read any scandalous things about him.. He seemed to be a nice guy..

I will not cry for him, becauce he lived a long and happy life.. His life was an easy one.. He had money from an early age and his family never had to worry about beiing poor.. He seemed to be generous and I doubt he will be meeting up with Strom in the afterlife..:evilgrin:

He was not a saint, but then who is??