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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:28 PM
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RFK Jr 'splains it all to you
Edited on Mon Dec-15-03 07:44 PM by Karenina
Who cares if Saddam speaks English? YOU and your family are being ripped off and POISONED. Yes, YOU! He does not mince words and it is clearly way past time for a heads up.

"And under Roman law, if you were a citizen of Rome, the Emperor himself, whether you were humble, noble, rich or poor, could not stop you from crossing a beach flowing at an ebb and taking out the fish. Everybody had a right to use those resources. Nobody had a right to use them in a way that would diminish or injure their use and enjoyment by others.

<snip>

Under the Bush Administration, we’re seeing the same thing that happened in this country during the 1880s and 1890s, during the Gilded Age, where now -- as then -- large corporations have an undue influence on government officials, and where they are literally stealing things that belong to the public.

<snip>

There are over 200 major environmental rollbacks that are now being promoted by the Bush Administration, and they’re listed on NRDC’s website. They’re getting away with this because the media isn’t paying attention. And the reason I say that is that polling, including the Republican Party polls taken by Frank Luntz, consistently shows that Americans across party lines favor strong environmental protection and strict enforcement of our laws. Republicans and Democrats favor strengthening our environmental laws by margins upwards of 75 percent. So the White House proceeded with an understanding that its anti-environmental agenda is unpopular with the American people and has successfully concealed its agenda through a series of stealth attacks designed to eviscerate 30 years of environmental law.

<snip>

All of our federal agencies have now been captured by the industries that they’re intended to regulate. The head of the Forest Service is a timber industry lobbyist. The head of our public lands is a mining industry lobbyist. The chief of staff in the White House, Andrew Card, was chief counsel to General Motors and its top lobbyists. And 22 of the top 38 White House officials all have energy industry pedigrees. We have a president that says that he doesn’t listen to TV, and he doesn’t get his news from the newspapers, but gets it from his staff. Unfortunately, all of his staff are from the energy industries, and the rest of them have corporate pedigrees. So they, of course, have a rosy view of what’s going on in our country, and their opinions about how our nation ought to work may not always reflect the best interests of the American public.

more:

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/12/int03325.html

Can we get a clue here kiddies? Whether Saddam speaks English or not, was captured or captive, had lice or only shaves on Tuesdays DOES NOT AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. This DOES, that is if you require air to breathe, water to drink and food to eat.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:40 PM
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1. He's f'kn brilliant!!!
What an interview!

And he's endorsing my guy, campaigned for Kerry in NH last Wednesday!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:46 PM
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2. AND he does NOT mince words!
Brings a tear to my eye.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:50 PM
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4. Hurrah for Kennedy. The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party

This is the kind of policy and passion that keep me going. Is it just a dream that our country can move in this direction?

Wish Robert Kennedy Jr. would run for pres someday. Gore was also a great environmentalist.

I have said it before: DEAN SHOULD STEP ASIDE FOR GORE FOR PRESIDENT perhaps at the convention.

A Gore/Dean ticket maybe. I am not totally against Dean! I just
don't like the phonyness it the campaign.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:22 PM
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24. He's my write in candidate for president. Wouldn't be he AWESOME?
He is truly a brilliant man, with much leadership ability and integrity.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:27 PM
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25. not nearly so easy
to pin the "unelectable" label on because of his name, and VERY liberal. If he was a candidate I'd be thrilled! sigh...
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:47 PM
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3. He's awesome.
Apparently I'm a moron, because I never knew about this guy. When I saw this thead, I thought, "Wow! RFK had a son?" I'm not very smart I guess.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:51 PM
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5. RFK had a lot of sons silly
:silly: He was married and a Catholic you know :).
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:57 PM
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6. rotfl
That's okay, but man that's funny!

The Salon interview is copied here, bad people, I know.

http://forum.johnkerry.com//index.php?showtopic=622

He compares our corporations to the facsists in Italy, Germany, etc. Lays out the economic impact on the individuals of corporatism and how we're subsidizing their profits by paying the cleanup and health costs of their pollution. Talks about the Pilgrims and their view of America and how we're the opposite of that. And even calls mining, logging, ranching and ag industries "welfare cowboys". It's GREAT!!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:09 PM
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7. He is CORRECT.
This is serious. I sit here across the big pond watching the land of my birth being DECIMATED. What's worse is homies don't even grok how horribly and brutally they're being raped! It's getting late here...
:cry:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:45 PM
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13. RFK would be in charge of the environment in a Kerry administration.
These guys can hit the ground running on DAY ONE. They already know the science. No bullshit waiting around for them.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:40 AM
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17. if that's true
Kerry just went up on my list. I already knew he had a great environmental record.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:42 PM
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22. He's been leading the campaign of environmentalists for Kerry
quite actively for about a month now.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:32 PM
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8. thank you!
and others may have noticed, there have been many positively frightening reports about Global Warming in the European press as of late. Remember they lost 35,000 people in the heat last summer. I've saved some of the articles and I'll try to post them here later. I have a feeling that come 2008 no politician will be able to avoid addressing global warming because things are happening very quickly. It will be front and center in our faces. The disasterous effects of global warming will become obvious to everyone and Bush's legacy will be viewed by everyone as a blight on the planet. We are in for some major trouble!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:59 PM
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10. Hi G_j!
:hi: I don't get it. The biosphere is undergoing some MAJOR, RAPID changes, scientists are screaming, botanists are fainting, ice shelves the size of R.I. are breaking off, coral is blanching, never-before-seen-by-humans giant squid are floating up dead to the ocean surface, there's hardly a rivulet in the U.S. that hasn't been contaminated by gas additives, antibiotics are being rendered ineffective by big ag practices, Iraq is a TOXIC WASTE DUMP, so are areas of China where last year's computers get dumped and we got 99 threads on spider holes. Flavor of the minute! :argh: :argh: :argh:

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:17 PM
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12. yes Karenina
it feels like one of those nightmares where you try to scream but you can't.
I am so glad you see that too. Of course it's a terrible way to feel! But our very life support is at stake and not just us humans. ALL life on this planet is threatened. Environmental concerns will eclipse EVERYTHING else in the not too distant future, just in time for it to be possibly too late!!!

......help!!!!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:02 PM
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19. I think most people are in denial.
Your nightmare description is perfect. Every one of us on this planet is directly affected by this issue. Every single one of our "brave boys and girls" in Iraq is at risk of exposure. Hey there's even the example of the plight of Gulf I vets to show BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT what is happening. Meanwhile, back at the ranch... :shrug:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:05 PM
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23. It is sad...
many used to say it was a major priority, but, since it's Kerry who is so far and away the best candidate on this issue, it has become an issue to be ignored.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:05 PM
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11. **Articles: Global Warming, front and center **
***The Four Degrees (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit): How Europe's Hottest Summer Shows Global Warming is Transforming Our World

By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor
08 December 2003

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=471135

It was the summer, scientists now realise, when global warming at last made itself unmistakably felt.

We knew that summer 2003 was remarkable: Britain experienced its record high temperature and continental Europe saw forest fires raging out of control, great rivers drying to a trickle and thousands of heat-related deaths. But just how remarkable is only now becoming clear.
...more...
-
Also, check out the web site links at the bottom of the article for National Climate Data Center graphs comparing last summer's temperatures in Europe to other summers, and last years global average temperatures to global average temperatures of other years (beginning with the year 1880).

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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1204-04.htm

Published on Thursday, December 4, 2003 by the San Francisco Chronicle

***Climate Change Laid to Humans
Report Warns There's 'No Doubt' Industry is Primary Cause

by David Perlman

New evidence found by teams of climate researchers leaves no doubt that industrial emissions of greenhouse gases are responsible for increasing global temperatures -- an ominous trend that has speeded up in the past 50 years and threatens to continue for centuries, according to a report by two of the nation's leading atmospheric scientists.

The two government experts said climate change "may prove to be humanity's greatest challenge" and warned that "it is very unlikely to be adequately addressed without greatly improved international cooperation and action."Thomas Karl, a meteorologist at the National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., and Kevin Trenberth, chief of the climate analysis section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., are publishing their analysis in Friday's edition of the journal Science.
...more...
--------------------

***Melting Ice 'Will Swamp Capitals'

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/120903H.shtml

By Geoffrey Lean
Independent UK
Sunday 07 December 2003

Measures to fight global warming will have to be at least four times stronger than the Kyoto Protocol if they are to avoid the melting of the polar ice caps, inundating central London and many of the world's biggest cities, concludes a new official report.

The report, by a German government body, says that even if it is fully implemented, the protocol will only have a "marginal attenuating effect" on the climate change. But last week even this was thrown into doubt amid contradictory signals from the Russian government as to whether it will allow the treaty to come into effect.

Global warming already kills 150,000 people a year worldwide and the rate of climate change is soon likely to exceed anything the planet has seen "in the last million years" says the report, produced by the German Advisory Council on Global Change for a meeting of the world's environment ministers to consider the future of the treaty in Milan this week.

It concludes that the protocol must urgently be brought into force, but only as a first step, insisting that "catastrophic" climate change "can now only be prevented if climate protection targets are set at substantially higher levels than those agreed internationally until now".
...more...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:49 PM
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14. **more**
Global Warming is Here Now, Say U.N. Delegates http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121403G.shtml
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Global Warming Kills 150,000 People a Year, Warns UN http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121303G.shtml
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Climate Action Network: Two Steps Forward, One Step Back: Kyoto Mechanisms Finalised
http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/1209-08.htm
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I may be posting to the wind but, gotta try...
I know Irate Citizen has a real interest in this. You out there IC?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:37 PM
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9. NPR has an audio of RFK jr's National Press Club speech
from last month. It's excellent, well worth a listen!

http://www.npr.org/programs/npc/2003/031121rkennedy.html
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:56 PM
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15. Inuit begin rights case over global warming
www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336885565.html

Inuit begin rights case over global warming

By Paul Brown
Milan
December 16, 2003

The Inuit of Canada and Alaska are launching a human rights case against the Bush Administration, arguing they face extinction because of global warming.

By repudiating the Kyoto Protocol and refusing to cut carbon dioxide emissions, which constitute 25 per cent of the world's total, Washington is violating their human rights, the Inuit claim.

They are inviting the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, based in Washington, to visit the Arctic Circle to witness the devastation caused by global warming.
...more...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:53 PM
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26. Fabulous links G_j!!!
:kick:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:23 PM
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28. interesting how...
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 02:33 PM by G_j
It's interesting that all these powerful stories have come out in the past few weeks. It's major news in Europe, but not even close to headline news in the US. The Story about the Inuit bringing a case againt the Bush admin. was a top BBC story, yet I haven't seen it reported in the US. Here is another story that got a lot of attention in Europe. NPR did cover this one.
--
http://www.news-leader.com/today/1203-Globalwarm-232039.html

Global warming imperils ski slopes
Resorts need to move uphill as snow line continues retreat.

By Andrew Dampf
Associated Press

Turin, Italy — Global warming is threatening the world's ski resorts, with melting at lower altitudes forcing the sport to move higher and higher up mountains, according to a United Nations study released Tuesday.

Downhill skiing could disappear altogether at some resorts, while at others, a retreating snow line will cut off base villages from their ski runs as soon as 2030, warned the report by the U.N. Environment Program.
"Climate change is happening now. We can measure it," said Klaus Toepfer, executive director of the U.N. program.

"This study shows that it is not just the developing world that will suffer."
The report focused on ski resorts in Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Australia, the United States and Canada, using temperature forecasts produced by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a body of some 2,000 scientists.
..more..

note: the 'suffering' of skiers can't even compare with the real suffering of the Inuit or countries on the equator who will be drowning.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:20 AM
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16. great post
This is my #1 issue, always has been, always will be.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:31 AM
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18. It is THE #1 issue!
Blow up Ground control and Major Tom's got NO CHANCE. I marvel at how so many fail to see the simple logic!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:06 PM
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20. RFK Jr for president!
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:10 PM
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21. I quit watching Fox News but please....
If RFK Jr is ever slated on the Hannity and Colmes show please tell me in advance. Dumb ass Hannity had him on--(might have been the last time) and Kennedy turned his sorry ass everyway but loose.

In just a few minutes time he made Hannity look like a loser and basically shut his ass up--which is pretty damn hard to do to the main mouth-piece of the show.

I can't even remember if Colmes said anything,didn't have to...just let RFK Jr. run with it. Damn was it good...

David
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:09 PM
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27. Kerry has a great team
a great, great team. Looking forward to the 1st 100 days.
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