I Know The Republican Party Is Evil, But...

[Syrinx]

It's obvious that the Republic Party
is dangerously evil. The Bushes and the
Carlyle Groups and the Bechtels and
the neocons and the O'Reilly's, and the
Coulters and the Fox News's, Ashcrofts and
Roy Moores are all thoroughly evil.

But not every Republican voter is really evil.
Some of them are just misinformed. You
probably have friends that are Republicans.
Almost certainly you have a family member that
is a freeper of some degree.

While we need to keep the heat on Bush, and
make it increasingly hot, we need to also
reason with the more fair-minded members of
our opposition. We want to win them over,
not chase them away.

As bad as things are, I don't believe
many truly informed American citizens
would vote for Bush. It is our duty
to temper our vinegar with a bit of
honey. Simply get the truth out.

(And it wouldn't hurt if we all tried
to pull together, and concentrate
on the best of our candidates, and
weed out the weak.)

[FDRrocks]

1. Obvious...

its obvious people who vote for neocons are misinformed... they overspend... overkill... and generally run this country into the ground. You find me someone who votes for trickle-down economics... and I gaurantee they are misinformed... or just plain stupid.

I will always keep the heat on all corporate whores, irregardless of party, this is supposed to be a democracy, not an oligarchy/

[napi21]

7. A little honey

I think you're right, to a point. The problem is that we as Dems have been too nice. That's one of the reasons we lost the last election. Think about how mean and nassty the pubs were to John McCain, and then to McClelland here in Ga.

I think that's one of the reasons Howard Dean has made such a connection with people. We're all tired of rolling over and playing dead.

[FDRrocks]

9. I think Howard Dean connected with the anti-War crowd...

And you guys didnt lose the last election. It was the beginning of our rigged election society. It proved the highest court could be bought off or were very biases.

I agree on McCain, he was viciously attacked for doing a good deed (adopting a poor child). It was Rove, it was campaigning. I think when people are tired of the system, they will vote for someone like Kucinich or Sharpton. They polls lead in favor of a centrist and a suspect republican violent cock.

The left can win. 75% of the people I talk to are anti bush,, half of them won't vote. It's a tricky situation. But i ttuely believe a liberal candidate could awaken this couple. The RW is all about fucking the populous, The left wing is all about working for them. I seee no reason, considern the currrent RW administration, that the LW could not win.

BTW WELCOME TO DU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :)

[napi21]

11. Dean connected with a lot of anti Bush

Thanks for the Welcome.

When I said the Dems lost the last election, I wasn't only talking about Al Gore, I was talking about the Senate, the House, and quite a few Governorships. I also have talked to a lot of people who are really against Bush, but I'm not sure it's a majority across the country.

I try to listed to C-Span every morning from 7 to 10 AM. There sure are a lot of pubs calling because they just love the President!

[Syrinx]

14. that's precisely my point

We have to be extra-tough on Bush, but in the campaign we don't want to gratuiously insult the Repug voter. They could come over to the light, if we give them a choice. I don't mean compromising on principles. I'm talking PR.

[Davis_X_Machina]

2. Quote for these Republicans --

"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing" 2 Cor 6:17

[Syrinx]

3. the unclean thing

That just about sums it up.

[FDRrocks]

5. That tale seems to me...

more relevant to the poor and homeless, rather than the republicans.

[camero]

12. It applies to sinners of all stripes

Not the poor and homeless. That's just what the right wants you to think.

[AP]

4. Republicans have mastered the discourse.

They've figured how, through language, actions and rhetoric, they can convince people to do things that aren't in their best interests.

Scare the hell out of people, and they start to give up their rights and their money. That's the big one lately.

It's hard to blame people who have none of the resources they people trying to manipulate them have.

[FDRrocks]

6. I have outmatches every Republican I have met...

I swear... its the media.

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. They're NOT informed, that's the problem

And when 95% of the media is part of the problem, those who used to do the informing are no longer capable.

30 years ago, the press was doing its job. By 1974, even the majority of Republicans wanted Dick Nixon out of the White House. Watergate pales in comparison to what Reagan, Poppy, and Junior have gotten away with, yet the majority of Americans are clueless. Oh sure they might remember hearing something about Iran Contra, but did anyone in the media ever say, point blank THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS DELIBERATELY ARMING TERRORISTS WHO ARE SWORN ENEMIES OF THIS COUNTRY.

If the people had been informed of these traitorous actions, there would be no discussion of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden today. Let alone a fucking moron in the White House appointed by 5 Republican judges fighting an artificial "war" against his daddy's old friends.

[napi21]

10. I can't see that ever changing

I'm willing to do almost anything to get that situation changed, but I must admit, I feel helpless to change an entire (news) Industry.

I hate Fox, and never watch it at all. I can even see fighting against Fox, but there are not enough people who are willing to get all their information on the net.

[Melodybe]

13. Right on! Thanks this is a great thread!

We have to kindly win them over, don't confuse this with backing down. We have to be nice and explain things but if we go on the attack we will be exactly what Faux is preparing them for. Let the politicians attack each other in their ads and debates (by that I mean Dems vs Repubs, not Dems attacking Dems *hear that Lieberman!!), we have to reach out to as many people as possible and try to show them how things can be better. We are all getting screwed here, poor neo-cons are hurting too, they just can't believe that someone as "cool and heroic" as Bu$h is lying to them. We have to let them know.

Do a freeway blog, print up 100 copies of a great article that wouldn't be in the main stream news cough*Diebold*cough. Or if anyone tries to talk about how getting SH justifies the war, then remind them of the 61 million dollars that Halliburton stole, or how only people with stocks are being helped with this economy. Make these your talking points, we have proof for both and all Americans are the victims in both cases. In a discussion don't back down, the truth is on our side.

[napi21]

15. Truth on our side

I agree with the kindness, but only so far. I believe in fighting fire with fire. Look at the way the Pubs do things. Their candidate tries to take the high road, and the grunts behind anonymous name floods the media with lies. That way their guy looks good, but their damage is done.

I thought Dean did a great job in todays interview. He was honest, congradulated our military, and even said the administration did good and deserved a day without badgering.

That makes him look good, but it shouldn't stop us grunts from beating up the Pubs for everything they've done over the past 3 years.

[IronLionZion]

16. NO, Moveon.org should bash Bush without mercy

and similar patriotic organizations should do the same. But candidates need to be more positive and provide a good vision for the country. They need to inspire people and empower the base. And expand the base too.

[liberalcapitalist]

17. I really believe O'Riley isn't a Repub

I know he was registered as such.. But he's not a Bush-Diest. He is unquestionably a conservative, but I respect him and Pat Buchanan 100000 times more than their Bush worshipping drones counterparts.

[Syrinx]

18. Buchanan over O'Reilly!

Pat is at least intelecually honest.

[economic justice]

19. So true

Agree with Buchanan on very few things. BUT, at least he can present reasonable arguments for his point of view without calling everyone who disagrees every name in the book. It's hard not to like the guy personally.