Why Saddam capture will be bad for Bush...

[nradisic]

Where do I start...More Iraqi's, especially the oppressed Shiites and Kurds will be more emboldened in attacking Americans and their interests, specifically because Saddam is gone....forget about what Saddams supporters have planned...more Iraqi's will want change NOW!!!...more and incresed numbers of dead Americans soldiers is something no one wants....no real developments in the "Internationalization" of the occupation (or the financing of it)....no help from outsiders, and when the time is up for the Poles, Italians, Spanish etc. in the Spring, guess where they are going?...Home! With no one left but Brits and Americans...according to the polls I've seen today, it seems that on average well over 60% of Americans think capturing Saddam was a good thing (68% in the CNN poll)...I can't wait to see what the polls are going to look like in two months, when we've had another 100 guys come home in body bags...I truly think that most Americans are setting themselves up for a huge disappointment thinking that Saddam's capture will make things in Iraq better, If anything, it will make it worse and more unstable. For the Iraqi's it means, Saddam is gone, now we only have to get rid of the Americans.

Trust me folks, I've grown up on three continents, been to over 60 countries by age 18 (I'm 37), and lived in all places, Kuwait - back in 1983-1984, when the US, Brittish and French embassies were bombed. Middle East Arabs do not rationalize like we Westerns think they do. Different things motivate them. They do not ultimately fear death as much as we do. That's where we loose. Its a no win for Bush in Iraq...many will be asking...Saddam is done, why don't you bring the troops home? Like I said when Bush decided to take us into this war - "He's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't." He can't really just bring our guys home, leaving Iraq a bigger mess than it already is and by our guys staying there that much longer - and getting killed - there will continue to be more and more people calling for them to come home - and W to go.

I'm happy they got Saddam, but if that is going to be the only reason for going into this quagmire and loosing close to 500 American lives and counting....Bush's time in office is limited. Forget about the fact that a vast number of Americans are pissed off at him and the GOP for a number of other issues. The gain for Rove and Bush will be short lived....mark my words.

When all is said and done.....Dean will be sitting pretty at the top all by his lonesome self.

Howard Dean 2004

[alcuno]

1. Certainly the play is not over.

If Americans continue to be killed, it blows holes in the argument that these are Saddam loyalists. This is why invading a foreign country is generally a bad idea; too many variables.

[Bluzmann57]

2. Well let's hope you're right

This country cannot take four more years of Bush.

[TexasPatriot]

6. let's hope you're right?

he's saying there will be bloodshed in Iraq, and that's something to hope for?

not me. sorry.

i dislike bush* too - but that's over the top.

[candy331]

7. I too hope you're right

and the right comes before Nov 2004. My ultimate hope is that Bush and his friends would be brought up on charges and him to be impeached to not rise again as he wants for Sadaam.

[illini]

3. Dont forget about Saddam turning states evidence against Bush the Elder.

Saddam has a lot of incriminating info about Bush the Elder and Shurbies cabinet.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

5. I fully expect

that a "Jack Ruby" will transpire on the scene to make sure that doesn't happen.

[brava]

11. Things are not always what they seem.

Call it a dream or a fantasy, but let's speculate for a moment. What if the trial of Saddam by the Iraqis proves him innocent and Bush the father guilty of the massacre recently unconvered in the mass graves in Iraq? I've heard rumors that those bodies were actually those of dead Iraqi soldiers retrieved from the battle field in Kuwait after the Gulf war. Well, what if there is evidence to prove that the U.S. military massacred 200,000 Iraqis -- e.g., the Highway of Death and burrying them alive under the sand with bulldozers, and that all that Saddam did was burry them, as is customer after any war? Ironically the tables would be turned against Bush, as the trial of Saddam would effectively become a trial of Bush, exhonerating Saddam and finding Bush guilty. Such a revelation would be truly astounding and cause a huge paradigm shift.

Is this what we need to wake everybody up and finally turn this country around?

[spanone]

4. And remember that we are no safer now than 9/10.

This does nothing to allay the fears of terrorism. We'll get another hit. And bush will be responsible for diddling in Iraq while the real terrorists are planning.

[foo_bar]

8. the five stages of grief

1) It's a body double.
2) The before and after photos are different people.
3) Saddam was captured months ago.
4) It's an October Surprise to derail the Dean nomination.
5) Even if it's really Saddam, it hurts Bush in the long run.

[LastKnight]

9. if anything. this will make iraq more dangerous.

as you stated. i expect a bunch of pissed off retaliation from the saddam loyalists, and a growing insurgancey of new iraqis trying to remove the americans from thier home. in thier view, saddam is gone, the sons are gone, whats to worry about. time for us to go.

in all this good news. saddam being captured and all, my uncle's deployment (stationed just outside of tirkit, about 2 miles away from saddam's capture spot) was still extended by another 6 months. and thats the kicker for me, we got our man, start rolling back the troop numbers.

-LK

[moosedog]

10. I don't think the problem was one man...

The way people are acting now, you would think that with capturing this one evil man, we have it all sewn up. It would be nice if life was that simple, but believing what the media is insinuating, is not being realistic.

[OneBlueSky]

12. what you say is undoubtedly true, but . . .

it won't matter a whole lot as long as the media is behind Bush, and as long as voting machines in key state (e.g. Florida) don't have an auditable paper trail and are, therefore, open to manipulation if the race is close . . . most people get all of their information from television -- not a few of them from Faux -- so regardless of the logic, it becomes irrelevant when their source of information is fawning all over the Boy King and not reporting the truth half the time . . . they believe what tv tells them, and what tv is telling them, either directly or indirectly, is that Bush is a great president . . . I don't know how you combat that . . .