Arnold Schwarzeneggar's daddy was a NAZI

[bunnyhop]

And the big guy is gonna run for governor of California? Talk about a monster skeleton in your closet. I bet the repugs don't want him to run. I can see the bumper stickers now. A bunch of swastikas surrounding the words - DON'T LET ARNOLD TERMINATE THE JEWS AGAIN.

http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/03/46/news-brennan.php

[Skittles]

1. hey

don't hold people accountable for the sins of their ancestors, unless of course, like Dubya, they are capitalizing on it.

[Tammuz]

2. who is your daddy and what does he do?

quote from kindergarten cop used in prank phone calls

[bunnyhop]

3. Are you serious? We shouldn't use this???

If the repugs had this on Gray Davis, we'd never hear the end of it. Stop being so damn honorable and start fighting!!!

[TahitiNut]

10. Well, that's sure the Demoblican "way".

:eyes: And Democrats wonder why some folks say there's little difference between the parties? {sheesh!}

[Terwilliger]

51. what do you suggest?

if Arnold's father is a NAZI...isnt that a legitimate reason to question his political motivations?

I mean, Cynthia McKinney was "anti-semitic" because of her father, right?

[Muddleoftheroad]

54. Is Ahnold's dad

Helping on the campaign?

[TahitiNut]

63. As you know, you help make my point.

GMTA, of course. :evilgrin:

[Skittles]

31. I refuse to fight like freepers

they make me sick

[LiberalLibra]

41. How to fight a fire?? Set a back fire and allowing it to do a slow burn.

Get a clue people - the rethugs will continue winning unless we take off the be nice because we are above all that gloves.

[TahitiNut]

47. Have we run out of water?

:eyes:

[bearfartinthewoods]

55. you really thing this is worth looking like an ass over?

if so...go for it.

i hate the smell of desperation in the morning.

smells like defeat.

[radwriter0555]

46. oh I SEE. You'd rather have BILL the Crook Simon or Issa, the GOP

whore?

Schwartzenegger is a KENNEDY.

Don't forget that. THAT is why the GOP won't endorse him.

Get it?

The enemy of our enemy is our friend. That is Arnold.

[TahitiNut]

48. "Strawman" alert.

No, the enemies of democracy are the enemies of democracy -- even if they're fighting over the spoils of its destruction.

Fallacious maxims are still fallacious.

(It's funny that Cynthia McKinney wasn't afforded the support that some would confer on the Black Plowman.) :eyes:

[diamond14]

4. bush*'s inheritance and rise to power is funded by holocaust $$$

read it and weap....bush* ought to at least pay it back as reparations...but sadly, his grandfather also taught him how to do his Iraq criminal activities today, as Prescott funded hitlers rise to power and personnally managed auswich slave laborers...working them to death for his corporations...

http://www.clamormagazine.org/bush.pdf

[ProudGerman]

50. My grandfather was a Hitler Youth

And when he was 14, he was a soldier in the Wehrmacht. Are you telling me that I shouldn't run for any political office because I have Nazi's (he had no choice, but hey, what does that matter) in my immediate family history?

[BiggJawn]

5. I think this is a non-issue. The Simon Wiesenthal Center thinks so.

Read here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/07/13/MN243790.DTL

I also recall that Otto Schindler was also a Party Member,too.

That's really low to even THINK about a smear campaign like this.

[ShaneGR]

6. This is STUPID!!!!!

Is every single person of German, Austrian, or Polish decent not allowed to run for political office because their father or grandfather fought in WWII on the German side? Of course not.

If you're going to go after Arnold then go after his ability to actually be governor. There's plenty of stuff there.

[JackSwift]

7. There is a difference between fighting on the German side

which can be the result of a draft, and being a card carrying member of the nazi party.

[JohnKleeb]

8. Polish?

They werent on the German side. They werent annexed either they were conquered.

[CatWoman]

11. Yes, Hitler did seriously kick their asses

and dumped the survivors in the infamous ghettos.

[radwriter0555]

52. HItler wouldn't have kicked so many asses if the entire planet hadn't

sat by and WATCHED him do it.. You see, because these people were jews, no one stepped in to usurp the power hitler had. He used the hatred of a race to gain power.

Everyone on the PLANET knew what hitler was doing. It was no secret. But no one cared because these people were 'undesirable'.

Cloaked in church/christian rhetoric, hitler was allowed to take control while everyone turned a blind eye.

Revisionist history at its finest, is the rise and fall of hitler.

[CatWoman]

66. Right on, Rad

:hi:

[BigDaddyLove]

67. Yep, Jews were the ONLY ones Hitler killed.

In fact, there wasn't anyone else in Poland or Austria or Russia or Czechoslovakia except Jews. Hitler only decided to go to war with England and France because they were teeming with Jews; he also decided to team up with Italy because believe it or not, there wasn't a single Jew in the whole country.

[Clete]

69. Russians and Slavs anyone?

Hitler did horrendous things to the Russians and Slavs too, not only just the Jewish ones.

[bunnyhop]

12. You didn't read the article, did you ???

Nothing wrong with arnold's father being a german soldier. But he was also a member of the nazi party. That issue is fair game and then some. Wake up and go on the attack. We need fighters not a bunch of useless "men of principle".

[Muddleoftheroad]

56. Principles

Or, you need to get a few principles yourself.

[bearfartinthewoods]

57. but you see, that would be really really really hard

first they'd need to learn and understand the issues then develop the ability to communicate to others well.

much easier to yell nazi.......

[Submariner]

9. Arnold is crippling up from steroids

My sister works in Hollywood and is privvy to some of the inside info on stars. Arnold had that publicly announced heart valve operation we saw in the news, months before he had a liver transplant which wasn't in the news, destroyed from years of steroid use. He supposedly has difficulty moving from a sitting or standing position also due to sore failing joints, again from body-building enhancers.

And it is rumored he has had 'roid rages' resulting in unpleasant experiences for Maria.

[bunnyhop]

15. Interesting. I hadn't heard that

Lets hope the democrats have the grapes to bring this up.

[alaine]

18. It'll get brought up, don't worry.

If he runs. Course he has a great chance, as much as say, a wrestler, or a pop singer, or Western movie actor, in politics.

I'm not in the mood to lay down, especially after hearing Ann Coulter say on Friday that "the Democratic party needs to GO AWAY" and the all the problems in this country would be solved.

How will history tell it? From the sound of some of these posts it's possible that the repuke spin may one day be that "the democrats went willingly to the gas chambers."

[diamond14]

13. arnold has plenty of sex and drugs to do himself in (caution:pic)

and his movies are one of the biggest perpetrator of violence in our society today...

can't imagine that the fundies want a governor with DIGNITY like this...

add jpg at end to see this obscene photo of arnold....(caution: sex)

http://www.bartcop.com/arnold.

thanks to www.bartcop.com

[ForrestGump]

14. I wonder if the woman on his shoulders is running?

Hmmm.....

[diamond14]

20. sorry, I had to edit arnold's photo, but you can still look at

it by adding

jpg


to the end of the address....

and this guy wants to run for governor ???

between that and snaps from the Terminator, where he massacres 100's a people ALL BY HIMSELF....some regular Americans might be shocked...seems arnold has a real string of Hollywood-type girlfriends, drugs and scandals typical for his type of career...a real DIGNIFIED reTHUGlican-type....

[wellstone_democrat]

64. I think she IS on the ticket!

My guess, since they are so close, is Lt Governor.

[Clete]

16. Being a member of the GOP as it is today then should be

a good fit. To be fair, back then your survival chances weren't good if you were neither Aryan nor a NAZI party member. It didn't mean you were part of the establishment other than paying token homage.

I don't want Arnold to run for Governor though or any political office.

[ChrisNYC]

17. I think this is cheap shot BS

And really almost makes me want Davis gone. Say whatever you want about Arnold, but it's bogus as hell to hold a man responsible for what his father did, especially when the son in no way supported or benefited from it.

[IndianaGreen]

19. Amen to that!

People are responsible for their own sins, not their parents!

[ISUGRADIA]

21. I agree, This is an offensive arguement to me

His old man was a Nazi so we'll damn the son...this sounds like McCarthism to me. Children of communists attacked bacause of their parents' actions or non-action.

Robert Byrd was a freakin' member of the Ku Klux Klan and not just a rank and file one at that. He displayed racist tendancies through at least the late 60s and is still a big homophobe. Yet I still see people on this board give him a pass on that because of his anti-Bush behavior.

I say don't damn a son because of his father actions and hold the individual responcible for his own. There are plenty of ways to attack Arnold on if he runs without resorting to this kind of tactic.

[Melinda]

23. What a load of horse shit.

You have NEVER seen "people on this board give" SENATOR BYRD "a pass on that because of his anti-Bush behavior."

Come back with proof of what you claim, and let's discuss your straw man bullshit opportunistic double speak assertion.

[ISUGRADIA]

68. Well, well, I hit a nerve

Unfortunately, I have not bookmarked previous posts I have seen regarding Senator Byrd and how he is this great and eloquent guy which totally ignore his past and present views on race and sexuality.

I should have included the word "some" in front of people but you may also notice I did not say everyone.

I cannot excuse behavior such as Byrd's because of his political positions now nor can I condemn Arnold S on the sole fact that his dad was a Nazi.

This is a losing tactic when issues can win out in a recall race.

[Melinda]

22. Golly jeepers, IG, looks like you have a fan.

freakin, frackin, I need a fly swatter.

[Terwilliger]

40. ask Cynthia McKinney about THAT one

[Mz Pip]

24. Show me

where Arnold murdered Jewish babies and maybe I'll jump on board with this.

Geez, damning someone because of what their relatives may or may not have done makes us no different from the Freepers who vilified Chelsea because of her parents.

MzPip
:dem:

[mitchum]

25. This is a cheap shot and the Democratic Party should not use it

but if someone else wanted to...

[Clete]

26. I think things like this should be brought up

preferrably by the candidate to clear the air. Ann Richards did about her drinking and so did Dumbya. I don't think the NAZI thing holds any weight unless it was Arnold and even if he had belonged to a Hitler's youth group, I think he would have been too young to know what it was about and it wouldn't be an issue.

My issue with Arnold is that I don't think that unqualified candidates should run for office. I don't care about his degrees or business acumen he is not the right person for public office and I would feel that way even if he were a Democrat. Actors, wrestlers or rock stars should run fund raisers and that's where they belong in the political scene.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

27. I'm no fan of Arnold's politics but

I'm no fan of Arnold's politics but this is a low blow. Why not just defeat him on the issues?

[JasonBerry]

28. Ted Kennedy got really TICKED about this once

I recall somebody bringing this up once in the tabloids and Ted spoke out loud and clear for his nephew-in-law. Been quite a long while back but I remember him being really pissed.

edit to correct relation(!)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. That's A Sight

Arnold and Teddy, smoking cigars, and shooting the shit.

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[librechik]

32. yes, but it hasn't hurt Dubya's career with the GOP one iota!

The Pukes love Nazis, especially a generation or two removed for plausible denial.

Arnold will be president some day, no doubt, with a friendly Supreme Court and compliant Congress.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Can't be Pres.

He was born in Austria.

[smirkymonkey]

33. I don't think it is entirely a non-issue...

if Arnold subscribed to his Nazi father's beliefs. After all, I am assuming he was raised by this guy and was in some large way influenced by him.

It shouldn't disqualify him, but I would watch him very closely. I think Arnold has had public office on his mind for a long time (probably one of the reasons he married into the Kennedy/Shriver family) and may have kept his more extreme beliefs under wraps until he achieves enough power to unleash them.

Personally, I think the guy is scary enough even without a Nazi skeleton in his closet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. What Extreme Views

He's pro choice

He's pro gay rights

He's pro legalization of marijuana

He's a Republican because he's anti-statist.

I met him. He's a nice guy.

But I wouldn't vote for him (nor)

would I villify him.

[smirkymonkey]

61. You didn't really read my post...

I said that perhaps (like W and his kind) they don't expose their extreme views until they are in a position of power where they can implement them. So far, he's not extreme.

It's not an issue of genetics, but most of us are greatly influenced one way or the other by the politics of the home we grew up in. The issue should not be the primary criteria for judging him, but I do not think that it is irrelevant. This is only one generation away, after all.

What I find strange is that so many people on DU are sticking up for Arnold and criticizing other DU'ers who disagree with them.

[Sirius_on]

34. Arnold gives money to Jewish organizations

I dont think this should even be an issue.

[Wonder]

58. yes Arnold gives money to Jewish organizations.

Which ones would be my question in an attempt to give him the benefit of the doubt? For the most part Politics has been known to illicit strange bedfellows. For instance, look at the Christian Zionists and some of the anti-Semites that lead the way there. It is common knowledge that many of these zionists are rapteurists following prophesies. They believe in order to forfill it Israel must win the Holy Land. At which point the most rabid Christian zionists will be intent on grabbing the Holy Land from the Jewish zionists, in their attempt to convert them to Christianity or as it is put, make them better Jews.

Point: It means nothing who Arnold gives his money to, if it is merely a ploy to cull favor or votes. That he gives money to Jewish Organizations does not necessarily mean he is Kosher and neither are these Christian Zionists who are backing the AIPAC either. It is all just politics. One must dig below the surface. Just because he is a Nazi once removed does not necessarily mean he was not scathed by it's philosopy, than again I agree It doesn not necessarily mean he was.

For me, whether he is Nazi sympathetic or not; the guy is way way way too conservative for my tastes and I have never been much of a fan either.

[lastliberalintexas]

36. Umm- tombstoned

Why don't we let it die now (instead of sitting at the top of the page where I found it)?

[Loonman]

39. No shit...he's Austrian

Most Austrians were Nazis back then.

[Terwilliger]

42. Given the attitude here: Can we stop calling George W. Bush a NAZI?

or fascist? or whatever? Because, you know...he's just normal folk like Arnold, too.

(although I might add that Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney all have German or Germanic surnames)

[Wonder]

43. People don't like that word NAZI do they Terwilliger?

On some boards when I have stressed the nazi ties in the Bush family tree I have been admonished for conspiracy theorizing and libel. My god Arnold and Nazi have been raised or implied well before now. And he thought he fooled us with all that spanish. Hasta Luego Baby! I wonder what his campaign slogan will be? Achtung Baby?

Hmmmm that sounds catchy or kitchy what do you think?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Joe Kennedy Was Accused of Having Nazi Sympathies

He was really isolationist and anti-British.


Nazism isn't a gene that passed from generation to generation.

[Wonder]

49. so I have been told

Why I find it so interesting that it was exposed that Bush Sr had Nazi's on his campaign committee back in the 80's. Once exposed he first denied he knew anything about it, and then he just moved them to his NSC.

But we all know it was all stamped out yes yes yes. This country did not do a tug of war with the russians in an attempt to absorb R. Gehlen's Intelligence, and of course the US did not harbor nazi war criminals or absorb them into various higher institutes of learning, politics, science, and medicine.

We all know that did not happen.

[TheBigGuy]

70. So did Eisenhower...have a germanic surname.

same w. Daschle and Gephardt.

.although I might add that Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney all have German or Germanic surnames

and you are implying what about people w. germanic surnames?

[DS1]

45. SO LONG!!!!

You won't be missed.

[Hubert Flottz]

53. His Hero figures are too!

Like the Bush Klan!

[Hanuman]

59. BOGUS! BOGUS! BOGUS!

Ahnold is a moderate, pro-choice, pro-gun control and HE is NOT a Nazi. That smear tactic will backfire and make anyone who flaunts it look like a petty, desperate loser.

Good luck.

[whoYaCallinAlib]

60. Arnold is OUT of governor's race.

He just announced he's not going to run.

[LuLu550]

62. Arnold, pot smoker, naked pictures

Forget what his daddy did...how about what HE did? There are several pictues of him naked, and with naked women and also a documentary in which he is seen smoking pot. While this doesn't bother me a bit, it should be a concern for the "family values" types who would vote for him.
LuLu

[Redleg]

65. It will be an ussue but it isn't really Arnold's fault...

unless he liked his father for his NAZI past.