Islamic sickness

[juancarlos]

www.msnbc.com/news/1004302.asp?0cv=CB20

What is wrong with these people? Sick!

[Cheswick2.0]

1. this is not islamic but cultural

I would avoid calling a religion sick because some of it's members are. However part of me wonders if these women will only stop facing these atrocities when the men have to fear them too.

[Blue_Chill]

9. I see you had trouble feeling bad for this guy

as did I.

Oh well.

[Hope4]

13. I do not see any other religion using their young to be killed

and kill others. Only Islam.

If any other religion had this happening, the leaders would come out on tv and condemn it and say it is not of our religion and evil people doing it. You never see that with the leaders of Islam.

No they support this evil being taught and many taxpayers here support it.

We do need to at least read what their goals are

[DuctapeFatwa]

15. You don't?

Well this is a great place to keep up with current events, your interest in them must be a recent development.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

19. well...

I kind of agree with him on this. Which other religions advocate the use of ANYONE (let alone children) killing themselves to attain heaven??? Not meaning to slam, just don't know of any...I guess I could be ignorant, I have been acused of being worse...

TheProdigal

[DrWeird]

20. What makes you think

suicide bombings are advocated by islam?

Because most suicide bombers are muslim therefore islam advocates suicide bombings?


Most alcoholics in the country are white middle class christian males, does that mean christianity advocates alcoholism?

[ProdigalJunkMail]

21. ablsolutely not

but in some of the tapes released by the bombers they have claimed what they are doing is the will of Allah and that they are awaiting their arrival in paradise to 72 (or some odd number) virginal attendants.

I do not see any other religion claiming that if you kill infidels that you will be greeted in paradise like this. Am I saying others are perfect??? Heck no. Just that this is the only one I know of that teaches this.

TheProdigal

[DrWeird]

24. Yeah, and when the KKK lynches african americans

they burn a cross and call themselves good christians.

But people don't go around saying that's what the bible teaches.

You don't go around blaming christianity for Matthew Shepards death, even though his assailants were christian and the Bible specifically says you should kill homosexuals.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

35. i do blame the whackos

and I will blame them regardless of the religion. Christianity (well, not Christianity but certainly the Christian bible) has advocated some awful things...but does not condone killing oneself or sending someone to kill themselves and claiming that they will get to heaven this way.

TheProdigal

[DrWeird]

37. Neither does Islam.

You're blaming a religion of a billion people based on the action of nineteen whackos.

There's only one word I can think of that describes that opinion.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

44. well, call away...

look. I am not trying to condemn all of Islam regardless of how you are attempting to paint me. But the Quran does mention martyrdom as a means of getting to heaven. And, I am not talking about the ones who attacked the WTC only...there are bombers in Palestine claiming their acts as the will of Allah and will gain immediate entrance to paradise and have textural proof in the holy book. Christ taught 'turning the other cheek' and never advocated killing anyone.

Who else teaches that? Is that not a legitimate question? I am truly curious here...I would like to know if this impression I have is correct.

TheProdigal

[hel]

53. Sorry, but..

what were the crusaders doing? Spreading good will and love? And what for were they doing it? Just for fun and to bring some spices back home?

..And isn't this too obvious?

Quran does mention martyrdom as a means of getting to heaven, but Quran also mentions that believers of other religions are Allah's believers as well and they "should not be forced to accept Islam". -because of this is Islam called the religion of peace- It is the "enemy of the Islam, one who fights against Islam" only that fighting against is acceptable. Islamic psychos are the ones interpreting it wrong and calling anybody who is not Muslim enemy. It is pretty much the same mindset of crusaders, in my humble opinion.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

55. the crusaders were not on suicide missions

but I can definitely concede the same mindset...all costs to defeat your perceived enemy.

There are many contradictions in the holy books of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic rooted religions. But some of the most glaring come to light when you should not kill unbelievers in one section of writings and in another find the statement to 'kill them where you find them.' I am sure that my bible has such confusions in it as well.

Thanks for the reasoned response!
TheProdigal

[Cheswick2.0]

28. really?

is that why many of our soldiers in Iraq bless themselves before they go to battle fighting for God, apple pie and the good old USA? Are they not following their Godly God appointed leader so we can spread "american values" to those we leave standing?

[ProdigalJunkMail]

36. this was about suicide killings

At least this portion of responses was...not going into a battle...big difference there.

And as for the Godly appointed leader part, many Christians believe that leaders are only there because God wants them there...including the ones like Saddam...they are there for a season to carry out His purpose. I don't care if you believe that or not but that is what many people who profess Christianity believe.

TheProdigal

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

32. Most suicide bomber are SECULAR, not Muslim

There was a great study posted a few months ago - the majority of suicide bombings are done by the Tamil Tigers - a secular Marxist/Leninist group - from Pakistan against India.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

39. Agreed, there...

but in the Palestinian conflict, many of those going to their deaths are doing for Allah and the Palestinian cause. This has been documented in videos left by those going to their deaths.

Look, I am not trying to start a flame war here (sorry to have done so). I just want to know if there are other religions out there that advocate suicide as a means of getting to heaven...

And, yes, there are tons of whacky versions of Christianity too! Jim Jones led a bunch to their deaths a while back claiming Christianity as his foundation too (at least that is what my feable memory recalls). But, outside of suicidal sects, are there any other religions that preach suicide as a means of salvation?

TheProdigal

[beanball]

16. As a Christain

I must disagree with you,what was the crusades all about,and our Christian president are killing innocent men,women and children.In the past hundred years the so called civilized Christin nations have slaughtered more people than any arab country,so get your facts straight.

[Pontus]

23. Where is your proof of that?

[Don Claybrook]

25. Proof?

Are newspaper accounts proof enough for you?

If so, try looking up the following:

-US genocide of Native Americans
-US mass murder (200,000, I think) of Fillippinos
-US murder of over a million Vietnamese
-US acquiescence to the near-genocide of Timor (we winked, we nodded, we made sure Kissinger and Ford left Indonesian airspace before the murdering started).
-Iran under the Shah (he was our guy and we completely owned him)
-Iraq under Saddam
-Argentina, Kissinger, 30,000.
-God knows how many in Central America.
-And don't forget phase 2 of Iraq (1 was with Saddam as our boy, 3 is happening now): phase 2 is the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children via sanctions.

There are more. There are lots more.

In any case, I think we win by a mile or more. Happy reading.

[DrWeird]

17. Last I heard

There were a whole bunch of young christians over in Iraq killing a bunch of muslims, and it's got the complete support of the religious right.

[Cheswick2.0]

27. Really?

I think our "Christian" administration is using our christian (amoung others) young to kill and be killed in Iraq...for oil.

[BlueEyedSon]

2. With allies like this, who needs Saddam?

Maybe one day they will all be blind and toothless.

[Hope4]

14. Sounds like Saddam and his depart boys

We need to wake up about Islam folks. We guard against religion so much but one that can really hurt us, has the goal to do it and hate liberals, we should be alert.

Read their goals. Islam would wipe the dem and all libs out first.

I am not saying that, but quoting them.

You do not see their leaders condemning the bombers.

[letthewindblow]

22. Oh man

you still have a lot of homework to do before you can call yourself liberal or democrat.

[dpibel]

26. Oh, that first stone...

We need to wake up about fundamentalist Christianity, folks. Radical Islam is on the other side of the ocean; the religion that can really hurt us, has the goal to do it, and hates liberals is right here at home.

Read their goals. Fundamentalist Christians would wipe the dem and all libs out first.

I am not saying that, but quoting them.

They bomb abortion clinics, but you do not see their leaders condemning the bombers.

[diamondsoul]

46. Why do you take the name "Hope"

when you speak of such hate? I thought you could support Dennis Kucinich, but you can't can you? You an't support someone who doesn't hate, can you?

I'm sad for you, Hope, especially with such a meaningful and special name.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

3. waiting for the lock???

3-2-1...

I would say that a thread title like that has about -zero- percent chance of lasting...interesting question though...could be turned a lot of different ways.

TheProdigal

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Religions can be brutal. Take Christianity and Judaism....

Burning people to death at the stake for being a witch or a heretic.

Stoning people to death for adultery.

It doesn't excuse their behavior, but most religions go through periods of shocking brutality which by our standards seems terrible.

[Caution]

5. or how about refusing to sanction the use of condoms in africa?

This one stupid action will condemn more people to death than all of the other atrocities committed in the name of religion combined.

[Rainbowreflect]

6. Sounds alot like an eye for an eye.

[Blue_Chill]

8. And considering this bastard did this to a woman

I'm mad at myself for not feeling bad for him.

[letthewindblow]

11. I was gonna say that

It is "an eye for an eye" and it's much older than islam.

[dpibel]

7. Opposed to good Christian health

Detailed, through neat synchronicity, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=888834

You also might be interested in reading this:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1211-03.htm

But she's just a Nobel Prize winner, so what does she know?

Or you could consider how many women in America die each year at the hands of their spouses/significant others. Acid's nasty, for sure. So are incessant beatings.

[drdigi420]

10. Until we stop locking people up

for possesing a plant,

we have no right to call anyone else brutal.

[DrWeird]

12. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[diamondsoul]

18. Back the feck up!

You think Islam in the only religious belief with "eye for an eye" justice in it?

WTF is wrong with people who support a DP for murderers? WTF is worng with people who spout all sorts of twistewd "justice" for rapists and child molesters? They aren't Muslim and some of them are Atheist, thanks. DO NOT SLAM and entire spirituality because of a single country and their definition of "justice". That's bigotry.

[Scott Lee]

29. Would you like to compare it to.....

The God fearing Christian James Huberty who, with headphones on, walked into a local McDonalds and mowed down the customers with a semitauto?

Or, the Christian woman in Texas who heard "God" telling her to drown her children - which she did?

The point here isn't to slam Christianity, but to compare and contrast with your post. Also, be aware that there are rules on DU about defaming other religions.

And, they are Muslims, not "Islamics" or "Islamicists".

[ConsAreLiars]

30. "these people"

When you use events like this to justify treating some whole ideological category (religion, race, nationality) as subhuman or "sick" you reveal the same kind of "thinking" that endorses the slaughter of innocents in Ruanda or Kosovo or Oklahoma City or NYC.

[Heddi]

31. What is the difference between this

happening and the US carrying out the Death Penalty?

This guy threw acid in a gal's face, blinding her.

His "punishment" (more like 'revenge') is to have the same thing done to him--acid in the eyes.

How is that any different, or any more 'extreme' than the US killing someone to 'punish' them for killing someone else?

Both are equally barbaric, and are more set for 'revenge' than 'justice' or 'punishment'

I am totally against the death penalty, although every once in a while, a horrendous crime is committed that ALMOST makes me rethink my position---"well, this guy raped and murdered 10 women...he REALLY deserves the death penalty"...

but does he? Does anyone?

This case in Pakistan is just a different version of the US-sponsored act of capital punishment.

AN eye for an eye---a life for a life.

But is it a deterrent to anyone?

Has there ever been someone who's said "Gee, I'd LIKE to rape and kill 10 women, but I just don't like the idea of going to the electric chair should I be caught and found guilty..."

Generally, people who commit crimes that would warrant the death penalty have no concern for being caught---they generally think they WON'T be caught...and shouldn't jail be enough of a deterrent? Obviously it's not, and neither is the death penalty, since there continue to be murders and crimes and serial killings that all warrant death penalty sentences.

Why are we outraged about this guy in Pakistan? We're (meaning collective Americans) aren't outraged at the sheer obscene numbers of AMERICANS who are put to death every year...an eye for an eye in their country, a life for a life in ours.

Why aren't we (collective Americans) outraged at the fact that recently 110 men on death row, who were awaiting execution, were recently RELEASED due to DNA testing that absolved them of any guilt in the crimes they were sentenced for.

Does the pending death of 110 INNOCENT MEN not mean anything to anyone? If there were just 110 in ONE STATE< how many MORE innocents are there in other states? How many INNOCENTS have already been put to death, and will continue to be put to death?

Revenge-style justice does NOTHING for the victims or their family. It does not bring closure. It doesn't make the hurt go away. it doesn't bring their family members back, or undo the crime that was committed.

[mkultra]

33. this is a people problem

this is crazy people using religion as an excuse to be sadists.


kinda like christians who parade around at gay funerals with signs telling the parents that their son is on his way to hell.

[TexasMexican]

34. Which action are you calling sick?

I'll assume you think it was sick for the man to throw acid in that womans face. Which I do.

I dont think its sick for the judge to rule that the man has to have the same punishment.

Thats one part of Islamic culture that I agree with.

I support cruel and unusual punishment for cruel and unusual people.

[HuckleB]

38. Wait a second.

Isn't this ruling backed up by the Christian Bible? Talk about taking an eye for an eye literally.

Yes, this is sick. However, to make a blanket statement such as "Islamic sickness" isn't exactly a statement of wellness either, in my opinion. The statement reminds me of the nasty E-mail going around condemning the USPS stamp honoring Eid.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

40. eye for an eye is in the Jewish bible

just saying

[HuckleB]

41. That too.

It remains in the Christian Bible as well, no?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

43. Christians like to claim the old testament as their own, sure

doesn't make it true though!

[HuckleB]

47. Not sure where your going with this.

But the Old Testament is a part of the Christian Bible. If you want to say that it's not, that Christian's can't use it, then that's your choice. Most Christians would beg to differ.

Cheers!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

48. I was responding to your point

The "eye for an eye" concept is specifically REJECTED by Christian theology.

[HuckleB]

51. By some.

Not all.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

54. really? which one?

Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox - the three major strains of Christianity, all reject "eye for an eye". So which Christian group doesn't? I'm all ears...

[hel]

42. It has nothing to do with islam

whatsoever. No matter what it says in this news article. It is their way of life, their culture and Islam has actually little influence there. Most Muslims do not even know anything about Islam or what Quran says.

It says in the article:

Acid attacks on women are relatively common in rural Pakistan, where harsh feudal and tribal laws are enforced. Women have been victims of such attacks merely for failing to bear a son or for cooking badly.



And calling a cruel law, which is actually part of the land these people are living in, an "Islamic sickness" is more than a little disturbing. Please read a book or two about Eastern cultures and Islam first.

It is not Islam that is guilty or needs to be changed here; it is the feudal lifestyle and lack of education.

[CityZen-X]

45. Christianity is Just As Sick

Chirtianity a drug of a nation, breeding ignorance, and the hope of salvation!

[number6]

49. Christain Sickness ???

http://www.polygamyinfo.com/plygmedia%2000%2086trib.htm

"confessed Killer Dan Lafferty defends the religious beliefs that led to the 1984 ritual slaying of his sister-in-law and her child. Lafferty is one of the convicts participating in a program to help law enforcement officers understand murderers' motives."

so do we judge religions by actions of worst members..??

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

50. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have the same roots.

And, all have committed horrible crimes in the name of what amounts to the same God.

"The Bible is a book with some beautiful poetry; a blood stained history; a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of 10,000 lies." - Mark Twain - Letters from the Earth

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

52. What does this have to do with Christianity?

I think the acid-throwers are sick. I did not see anything in the article indicating that they were Christian.