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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:07 PM
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Wesley Clark - now more than ever
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 06:24 PM by DancingBear
(Disclaimer: This post is not intended to offend anyone – my sincere apologies to anyone if it does so. I am speaking from the heart, and that is sometimes a very foolish place to begin. I convey these thoughts solely as one committed to taking the best course available in bringing this nation home again. No more, no less.)

*****

The gorilla stands alone in the forest, hidden by the tall trees. The tall trees of populism are wonderful trees, tall and full, green and enticing. They are comforting for those who feel that they need a voice, for those that feel all that stands before them needs to be torn down and rebuilt. The young marvel at the bright object that promises a new path, and those on the fringes grasp once again at the football that Lucy pulls away just seconds from the toe of Charlie Brown.

The gorilla smirks, knowing no matter how large he gets he will stay hidden in the forest. The words “WAR ON TERROR” are emblazoned across his chest like the lettering on a boxers robe, and he thinks he can take a punch. He peeks into the trees to see if anyone there is a contender for the throne, if anyone there has the right cross of statesmanship and the left hook of military gravitas that, in today’s climate, will send him down via KO. No one does, he sees, and he smiles. His handlers have armed him with all the money he needs, and all the avenues necessary to spew his bile. The pre-fight plan is clear: define the opponent in terms that he cannot refute, at least effectively. The gorilla has a 30:1 long shot in the other corner, and he likes his chances.

The contender in the camp of populism has a different fight plan. He plans to fight the strategy of long ago, believing that the gorilla can be beaten with a dose of that good old time religion, a barn burning sermon and a dollop of we’re all in this together. If they would listen, we would tell them no, that this is not the time for this strategy. The gorilla rules by force, and deception, and by fear. It fears only one thing, which you do not possess. It fears a bigger gorilla. One whose left is faster, whose right is quicker, and one whose game plan will leave “WAR ON TERROR” looking helplessly by as the referee counts him out.

Those of us watching you have seen your fight plan before, and we cringe. How can we make you see that the time for populism is not now? These times are defined by the words the gorilla carries. This is the bulls’ eye to strike at, yet you refuse. You define yourselves in terms of education and the environment and you can do better. These are noble causes all, and they can and must be taken care of. But the gorilla with the message stands before you blocking your path. He is the bully who steals your milk money and
you hope to relieve your thirst by showing everyone just what a mean old bully he is.

How I would love to be able to see the world through your prism, your unbridled belief that slogans and rolled up shirtsleeves somehow offset a Republican machine so insidious in its quest for control that it destroyed a Georgia man who left his limbs in south east Asia. Do you not see that your candidate has done the impossible – he has actually given George Bush his very own military “get out of jail free” card? The AWOL president can now look at a man across from him who carried x-rays into the draft board and claim, with some sense of bizarre legitimacy, that “unlike him, I served my country”. Think he won’t? Think again. Think it won’t work? Think again.

Take a trip with us grizzled old timers now. Come to the south, where a northern Yankee has about as much chance of winning as do I. Bring with you your secret weapon, the man who could not carry a single southern state, not even his own, who could not decide whether to whisper or to scream, and who dressed himself by committee. Meet with those who carry guns as fashion statements, and whose eyes will never see such beauty as that which resides in their own backyards. Talk to them of Vermont, and watch the incredulous responses that will scream “outsider” so loud they’ll hear it back in Burlington. Talk to them of the bonds you think you share, tell them of a general from Arkansas, and as the gorilla speaks with a southern lilt ask them who they trust.

Come to Wichita with me, and talk. Speak to the aircraft workers who have, on their own time, nights and weekends, personally restored the last surviving B-29 from WWII. Watch the tears roll from their eyes as the remaining members of the original flight crew watch their plane named “Bashful” be reborn. As the gorilla screams its message inches from their ears, tell them of a general and ask them who they trust.

Walk through the suburbs, the malls, and the soccer fields, and see those who feel not populism, but concern. They feel pride in America, but they are scared, very scared. They see the horror that is Iraq, and they know all is not well. They look for experience; they look for someone who can lead. They want most of all to be reassured, and they want strength. They understand the need for war, but not this, and they pray that it never shows itself again. We bring to them a general, who can speak first hand to their hearts and minds, who knows of what they feel. You bring a man of strong conviction, and a vision for a new populism, but little else. As the gorilla screams of skiing trips and civil unions, ask them who they trust.

Come with us as we talk with the ex-veterans, the federal workers, the fence-sitting Bush Republicans who time after time yell out “I can’t vote for any Democrat, except…” See, as we do, the thousands of cars adorned with flags and bumper stickers proclaiming their love (albeit misguided, at times) for their country. Talk with them of their vision for this nation, and listen for their distrust at its current direction. Talk to them of the two men who hold the flag in their speeches, and as the gorilla screams of x-rays and Vietnam, ask them who they trust.

Do you know where we’ve been? We’ve walked through the swath of America that will decide this election. We saw no populism, no massive uproar for a new American vision. We saw no clamoring for slogans, no grassroots electioneering masquerading as real support. What we saw are everyday people looking for someone they can respect. They will vote on what they see, and they will look for someone to protect them. If hope comes along - so much the better. Their sons and daughters die each day for something they always thought they believed in. They cry for someone to tell them why, for someone to say, “I know.” They look for someone who has lived proud enough to die, yet who is strong enough to stop the killing. As the gorilla screams of sealed governors records and Confederate flags, ask them who they trust.

“Ah”, you say, “but this time it’s different.” “Ah”, we reply, “no it isn’t”. We’ve seen your movie before. It ran on movie screens everywhere in ’72, in ‘84, and in ‘88, and its reviews were abysmal. The results never change, and we sadly know the outcome. We know, too, your indignant reply – “Predicting the future now, are you? How about telling us the winning lottery numbers, or the Super Bowl outcome. You can do that too, right?” Sadly, no. What we can do, however, is recollect. We remember CREEP, and small time burglaries. We remember Lee Atwater, the demon seed of political destruction, and a black inmate in Massachusetts. We see Karl Rove, who sat at the feet of Atwater and carries on his demented legacy. While we admire your fervor, we question your plan. A plan that revolves around the belief that “Karl doesn’t scare us” is hardly reassuring to those who have seen the movie before. Look down – your political naivety is showing.

This is a new and bitter age we live in now – sad but true. The rules have changed – invoking Kennedy and tugging on the heartstrings of our collective good will not win. The opposition is still a gorilla, and the gorilla cares not one whit for decency. The phrase ”war on terror” will be to this race what "it’s the economy, stupid” was to Clinton. It will be George W. Bush’s calling card, and it will be shouted 24/7 from every rooftop. The one-trick pony will play it as a full house, up until someone calls the bluff and shows four aces, or, in this case, four stars.

We work for Wes Clark because we believe in this political landscape he is the only one who can win, and to pretend otherwise is folly. The importance of this election cannot be understated, for the balance of what America stands for hangs in the balance. Our reasons for working are many, but all revolve around the unflinching desire to make this nation America once again. As for myself, I speak as someone who has seen half a century pass. I still take my hat off when they play the National Anthem. I still cry when I walk past the black piece of etched granite, and within me still lays the soul of one committed to those beliefs that make this nation all that it is. Social injustice will not pass without action, bigotry will not pass without reprisal, and basic human dignity will not be denied. I wear the badge of Democrat with honor.

The Clark candidacy, it is said, is a gift to the nation. We as Democrats have been given the man we need, at the time we need him. He has looked us in the eye and spoken of his love for this nation, and his obligations to it. When elected, he will not shirk those obligations. In order to get him there, we shall not shirk ours.
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:12 PM
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1. Link, please.
Don't you tell me you wrote that yourself, DancingBear!


Clark/Edwards in 2004
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:15 PM
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3. Yes, I most certainly did n/t
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #3
19. Get thee to a publicist!
:yourock:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:13 PM
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2. Playing the military card.
That is totally unnecessary.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. I am sure Karl Rove agrees with you
NOT!

(Nice work DancingBear :thumbsup: )
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #6
75. hey I'm supporting dean right now, but I'm going to support anybody
that get's the nom. having said that if clark can't beat lying, commie, draft dodging, racist, dean. then how can he beat bush.

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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #2
41. Someone really needs to play the military card
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 07:00 PM by juajen
Great work dancingbear!!! I loved this.

BTW, I heard from a relative who worked for many years at the Pentagon and still has very good connections, that they are preparing for Syria next. He swears that we have pictures at the Pentagon of the WMD's being convoyed to Syria, absolute proof, he says.

I do not believe this, as I don't think Iraq had the capability nor the money to do this, but that is not the point. The right-wingers will believe it and the people who believe everything Fox says. If he wins in '04, believe me, it's the draft and Syria.

We need Wesley Clark, now, not later.

Edited to add: I forgot to say that speaking from my experience here in Louisiana, Dean is not popular down here. Yes, he enjoys some support, but this state went for Bush last time by a narrow margin; we elected a democratic female governor, but she is a moderate. Dean will not carry this state if he wins the nomination; Clark would.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #41
137. And probably Arkansas like-flipped.
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:17 PM
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4. We need a Hero.
We need Wesley Clark.

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ResistTheCoup Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:18 PM
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5. Excellent.
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 06:20 PM by ResistTheCoup
It's not about MY candidate winning. It's about GETTING BUSH OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

I was originally a Dean supporter (before Clark entered the race) but I held back my support for Dean because I had so many doubts that he could win a national election against Bush. Lots of people on this board think Bush is such an abomination that EVERYONE hates him and wants him gone. Think again. As Mencken or Rogers said, nobody ever lost money on underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

We have truly been given a gift of Wes Clark's candidacy and I plan to do everything I can to get him elected.

"Wesley Clark is a prayer answered." - Kris Kristofferson

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Hope4 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:33 PM
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20. We have plenty of heror's running
Clark has been fired and the other Generals will rip him apart. I can find several heroes who have dems for years running. I still do not understand why we go outside the party to recruit him and has he registered as a dem yet?

Has anyone made a list of how long each candidate has been a dem?
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #20
37. Oh come now
Surely you could have come up with something that hasn't been thoroughly debunked long ago! :eyes:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #20
131. my niece has been a dem for two years. I don't think length of time
matters. Bush has been a repug since he was born and look what he did.
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #5
21. WOW
Kris Kristofferson said that? I'm surprised and impressed.
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ResistTheCoup Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. Yeah, here's the whole thing
"Just when the world is being dragged into the death spiral of an unending cycle of violence by a vision-less, coldblooded collection of think-tank warriors goose-stepping their way into the new millennium with a stunning lack of respect for human rights, the environment, or international law, along comes a man with the proven credentials of intelligence, integrity, and courage singularly equipped by his spirit and experience to lead us out of this mess. Don't listen to what the lying liars say about him; listen to what he says. Wesley Clark is a prayer answered."

Peace,

Kris Kristofferson

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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #27
50. Well, thank you very much for my new sig line:
I almost got it all in...it's the thought that counts.

And I think I really appreciate you.

:pals:
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ResistTheCoup Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #50
85. You're welcome!!
It's a great sig line!

:toast:

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. Kris Kristofferson endorsed Wes Clark. : ).....n/t
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:20 PM
Response to Original message
7. Thank you, Dancing Bear!
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 06:24 PM by robbedvoter
Great piece! I'll archive it in my scrap book yes-to-wes:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yes-to-Wes
Did you blog it at CCN? You should. You get the audience you deserve too.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:21 PM
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8. We are pretty much in agreement
If you want different results you have to play a different game. I have yet to see a senario where Dean wins any Southern States. Wishing it really really really hard will not make it so.

MzPip
:dem:
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:21 PM
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9. Great post!
Thanks for writing this. You summed up why I support Clark.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:21 PM
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10. USA! USA! USA!
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. How does that go again? POOP!
:-)
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Thank you

Your well thought out response and endearing way with language are a godsend in these troubled times.
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Kosmos Mariner Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Poop!
:hurts:


:dem:
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Thank you

Your well thought out response and endearing way with language are a godsend in these troubled times.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:26 PM
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12. Beautifully written!
Thank you!
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childslibrarian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:30 PM
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16. Bravo!
Please forward this to the Clark website...
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. Yes! right now...or sooner...
eom
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:31 PM
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17. flowery nonsense
I admire your passion and your poetic articulation, but this man is not anti-war and he's not all about the true nature of the Democratic party

In fact, the closest comparison is Bill Clinton, and that record doesn't really stand up to a liberal smell-test
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:38 PM
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25. You must have skipped over this part...
They look for someone who has lived proud enough to die, yet who is strong enough to stop the killing.

That is the true nature of Clark's relation to war IMO.
And this is what American people will hopefully embrace when Clark gets the chance to lead.

DemEx
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #25
36. Do you mean he's hit his kill quota?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Yeah, that's what I mean, Pastiche.....
:eyes:

DemEx
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. I do not understand why other do not see that
Maybe some feel they need a protector?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. I believe that some feel we need someone who can
truly kick Repub ass, and Clark is the man for that purpose in their eyes....the same purpose others have for supporting their candidate.

I wonder why others do not see that.....

DemEx
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:53 PM
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39. Why can he more than others
"truly kick Repub ass'?

Is it because he has killed innocent people and got shiny medals for killing them?

Is that what makes him such a billy badass?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. Actually, he is the exact opposite of a billy badass....
through his life/military/international experience, his respect and honor, and his love of people/nation/world he will know how to handle it better than any other candidate IMHO.

And with a great team of Democrats alsongside him who recognize the gravity of the situation now......Dems will have a CHANCE!


DemEx
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. The Dems will have a chance
w/someone that only became a democrat on Ocotber 17, 2003?

And as far as his "international experience", do you mean like this international experience?

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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #47
64. He'll represent, and fight for the Dems better than any other IMO..
....people/nation/world above party and all that....

and yes, even with that international experience, which Clark has learned from.

DemEx
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Someone that has only been
a democrat for two months is better than someone that has lived the Democratic ideology for decades, WHY?

Is it testosterone holding you back from seeing the disconnect?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. No disconnect.....an ideological label means little to me
it's what I see in the intelligence, the ideas, the heart of someone that shows me where they stand, not the fact that someone has been a member of a certain party or not.

His military life required him to be rather non-partisan, this is very logical to me.

DemEx

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. I see
You would vote for him even if he was a repug.

Makes sense.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. No, I would not.....but as a Dem he will be fighting for the
Party I believe in, identify with, and support....

:kick:

DemEx
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #79
88. How do you know that?
He's been out of the military for 2 1/2 years and just two months ago became a democrat.

Is it blind faith? He looks tough and knows how to read a dem script (sorta and a lot that has been copied almost verbatim from Dean), so you believe him?

In the most important election in our recent history, you would rather vote for an inexperienced dem newbie, than all of the proven Democrats?

May I ask how long you have been a Dem?
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. This from someone who endorses Green Party candidates
Please don't question other people about being a Democrat. Thank you.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #88
93. How do we know anything, Pastiche....
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 08:41 PM by DemEx_pat
we judge things from our experience, knowledge, our ideas, feelings, gut reactions, how we interpret what we SEE.

I've been a Dem at heart all of my life - my earliest 'political' memories are from age 4 - I've always felt like Republicans are from another planet...

Perhaps my ex-pat life has shown me how relative labels/ideologies are, and to trust my instincts more than anything - which I do.

Clark doesn't look 'tough' to me at all, and I have liked him long before he became a candidate.

DemEx


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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #93
100. Yes, we all judge things on our life experiences.
And that is why I try to stay far away from violence and violent people.

Speaking of ex-pats -

Can you still vote in this country if your primary address is out of the country? Is keeping a post office box in this country enough?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #100
138. Yes you can still vote. My children can as well....
You don't even need a post office box - just a social security number and the last address you resided in the US.

We have to vote in Harris County, Houston, Texas.....:-(
So my Dem vote only counts in the popular vote.....

DemEx
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #88
117. Hmm, first geography, now math.
Not only do you not know anything about geography (the "tiny" South), you apparently failed math, too.

Clark voted for Gore and voted for Clinton twice. Sounds like more than two months to me.

Here, I'll help you. 2003 - 1992 = 11 years.

11 years > 2 months.

Blind faith? Too funny. I'd say the pot is calling the kettle black.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #117
119. clark became a registered democrat on October 17, 2003
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. Arkansas doens't follow party registration
HA!
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #119
122. So, no one can be a Democrat unless they're registered as one, hmm?
Since when? He VOTED as a Democrat which, as far as I'm concerned, is more important than if he registered as one, especially since party affiliation was not a requirement to vote in Arkansas.

But, that, of course, doesn't fit your oft-repeated sound bite.

In that case, let's just ignore all of the unregistered voters. We don't want their votes anyway because they're not Democrats. We only want votes from Democrats.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #122
125. Arkansas does not prevent
anyone from registering as a Democrat. clark had more than two years after being let go from the military to register Democrat. He waited a month after he announced to register.

"Unregistered voters" does not compute.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:51 PM
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126. You purposely ignored the point.
He voted for Democratic candidates for President for 12 years.

Not to mention that he's certainly more liberal than many of the candidates, including your Dr. Dean. Does Dean's fiscally conservative past make him a Republican? Of course it doesn't. Your intentionally simplistic view of what makes a Democrat or Republican isn't logical.

But, of course, acknowledging the facts doesn't help stoke the fires of your hatred of Clark, so you'll just choose to ignore them. If you keep repeating inaccurate information, I suppose that it's possible that someone will eventually believe you.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #125
134. some of my family aren't registered as anything. They aren't required
to. They vote dem anyway. Regions do what they do.
People have a right to think. I find it interesting
to call all military people war mongers and killers
interesting. We have a lot of military in our family.
They are the most peace loving people I know. You
should make more kinds of friends. You can learn
things that will astound you.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 08:26 AM
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141. I don't recall registering as anything
I lived in Minnesota for awhile, and only voted in one primary. I had just reached voting age. If I registered as anything, it was independent, although it was a Democratic caucus. Caucuses don't require declaring party affiliation, unlike most primaries. I may be wrong on this, so my apologies in advance.

I do plan on voting in the Wisconsin Dem primary on Feb. 17th.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #88
132. since when does anyone expressing an opinion have to show
bonafides? How long has he been a dem? Who cares? My
family were dems back when they were Democratic-Republicans.
Hows that for old? Of course, it doesn't mean a thing.
We got rid of that poll crap during the civil rights
era.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:16 PM
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49. He can do more than others because
He catches fire with southerners, and God knows, we need at least some of those states. I am really ashamed to have to admit this, but down in these parts, we really, really still remember the Civil War.

His pretend "Southern" roots are one of the reasons * won the South. That and that stupid accent and unintelligent English, that made him one of the "good ole boys".

Well, Wesley Clark is one of "them" that really "done good". He looks great in a uniform with all those medals and stars and, to boot, your own candidate Dean says he's great. Add to this his charm, intelligence, and you have a WINNER. He can beat *.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #49
58. A free clue...
The south is just one tiny part of the United States of America.

IMHO, it is time the south f'ing grew up! That is one of the main reasons I am ashamed to admit I was born there.

Shiny medals mean squat to a country that needs a real leader w/the experience of governing.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:00 PM
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68. Tiny?!?
Look at the electoral map. Remember all those Red States? Where were most of them?

MzPip
:dem:
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #58
83. Please don't poop on our parade, Pastiche
Real leader, huh? Guess you'll be voting for Clark then?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #83
90. No, I would never vote
for a person w/his history.

Btw, I don't take orders.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #90
96. Oh yeah - watch this!

"Go clean up your room this instant!"
"OK, mom"

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:57 PM
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113. I do not have a mom
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:53 PM
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98. You think, huh?
Well I want a Big Mac, medium fries and a Diet Coke. And no, I don't want to supersize it. I don't want a hot apple pie either!

And fix that damn drive-thru speaker. Can't hear a damn thing!

:evilgrin:
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:32 PM
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89. Wow, that's a clueless statement if I've ever read one.
Your subject line, "A free clue..." is extraordinarily funny, considering what you followed it up with. Don't expect to be taken seriously any time soon if you continue to make comments like, "The South is just one tiny part of the US."

Perhaps you should consult a map and maybe a history book, because A) the South is a rather large chunk of the US, and B) the South is an important region of the country from an electoral standpoint and has been for ages.

Oh, but wait - I get it now. One concern about Dean, of course, is that he won't play well in the South. I guess that by making the South irrelevant, we can just dismiss that argument, hmm?

Dean won't win in the South?

Doesn't matter! The South is irrelevant!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #49
135. Real southerners forgot more about class than Bush will ever know.
Branding all military people to be something is the
same as branding southerners. We have to win in all
regions. We need the south as much as we need the
west. Nothing can be discounted or ignored. We do so
at our own peril.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:14 PM
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102. Sorry, I had to 'alert' this
I don't take cheapshots at Dean or any of the other candidates. I wish others would have the same consideration.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #39
103. Who do you think will respond favorably to this kind of rhetoric?
What percentage of Americans do you think look on their military service men and women as murderers?

I am not looking to start a DU post war but I am wondering if you realize what a minority you appear to be in?
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:20 PM
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104. Love the sig line! (nt)
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:32 PM
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18. Wonderful piece, DancingBear, you speak the passion I feel...
and the urgency.
Will America accept the gift that is Wesley Clark?

I will bookmark this and send it to friends and family.

Thanks!

DemEx
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:34 PM
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22. What an excellent post.
Definitely a thread worth bookmarking. B-)
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:37 PM
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24. Dean's not a populist
I get the story, and it's clever, and I pretty much agree. But Dean isn't a populist, he's a neo-liberal just like Clark. I'm only saying this in the interest of keeping the ONE label left that hasn't been hijacked.
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ResistTheCoup Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:39 PM
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26. Kick!

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:41 PM
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28. Clark Candidacy...indeed, a GIFT to the nation!
DancingBear, that is excellent. Thank You so much! It truly baffles my mind that people cannot see what that wonderful man can and will do for our country. HE is the man we need at this time in our history and out of a "Draft Wes" campaign and a sense of obligation, he came out of retirement for US. He felt obligated to do something to help. He is so honorable and it is so sad that some people don't see it. Wes Clark is the man to beat Bush. No doubt in my mind.

Thank You for the wonderful post.
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:44 PM
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31. Clark walked the walk like his two endorsers today
eom
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:46 PM
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32. wow
That was... really... beautiful. Really. I think I'm misty-eyed. Dammit, I never cry!

I'm not you know... just something in my eye... really.

:cry:
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:47 PM
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33. Thank you, DancingBear.
That was just wonderful. I started out supporting Kerry. Then I sort of liked Dean, but still voted for Kerry in the MoveOn vote. Then Clark came on the scene. I have loved the good General since Kosovo. He's my man. I've got my brother convinced, too. Even one of my sisters (in CA) is thinking about Clark over Kerry. I'm really sorry about Kerry though. I truly like him too. But I think with things the way they are, Clark is the one. He will get way more than just grassroots support.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:48 PM
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35. Thanks DancingBear! Four STARS to you!
That is a beautifully written essay DancingBear. And oh so true!
You should try to get it published. Send it to newspapers! Post it everywhere!

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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:55 PM
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40. In my opinion as it stamds right now
If the Clark does not win the Nomination, We will have 4 more years of Bushco.
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ResistTheCoup Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:04 PM
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45. I agree
That Clark smile....:loveya:

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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #45
59. I love that smile, too
It always looks sincere, no matter how many hands he's shaken, or if he can't even talk he's so hoarse. I call that a "million dollar smile". He is just plain photogenic.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:05 PM
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72. He looks so goooood in that picture!
:loveya: He looks good in every picture! He is very photogenic! JMCPO
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YellowDawgDemocrat Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #40
52. Nicely written peice, now let's look at the battle ground states......
First off, I think most of us here will vote for whoever gets the delegates, whether it be Dean or Clark...or anyone else.

Clark has made an end run for the Hollywood crowd and their deep pockets. This should inject some much needed cash and endorsements from some well known people in the entertainment industry. Clearly, the DNC and the Clintons think Clark has the best chance at beating shrub. I too think Clark can beat shrub, but I also think Dean can beat shrub in a perfectly logical scenario.

The case for Clark goes something like this: The same battle ground states exist for 2004 as in 2000. Clark should be able to pick-off a few southern states and if nothing else changed, get the delegates needed to win.

The case for Dean goes something like this: The same battle ground states exist for 2004 as in 2000. Whether or not Dean can pick-off a few southern states, it won't be necessary. Arizona, Ohio and West Virginia are all poised to swing back to us, polls show this to be true. If nothing else were to change, Dean can garner the delegates needed to win.

My question to you guys is this: Which candidate is going to energize the voters and get their people to the polls? In my mind, Dean is the one delivering the base and energizing grass roots organizations passionate enough to deliver the votes in 2004.

Clark would be a welcome addition to the ticket, but as the number 2 guy.
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YellowDawgDemocrat Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. I should add......
Recent polling data suggests we may have trouble keeping several very close states in the fold...we won them slightly in 2000 and are trailing slightly as of now. We NEED the base and the energy to deliver not only a couple of new states, but a few closely fought blue states as well.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:27 PM
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56. Well reasoned analysis, dog

Although I have concerns about Ohio. WV I agree with, and I am not familiar enough with Arizona to be conversant. Does your analysis factor in the (newly) changed electoral map?
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #40
53. I agree as well!
n/t
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #40
63. Can see it on the big screen, baby....
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 07:56 PM by DemCam
What a vision and a tale you have given us, Dancing Bear!

And, since there is still time....your warning may be heard by enough to stanch the lemming fest.

In the meantime, I have copied your words and will pass them far and wide over the land. These are the words of a Prophet, I will say.

Take heed.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:01 PM
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42. Thank you for the (mostly) positive feedback

I feel a little sheepish about forwarding my own work to a blog or the Clark website or a publisher.

But if anyone else wants to, by all means..... :)

<humble side gives way to fame and fortune>
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
78. I will post it there
if you don't mind.....giving YOU credit it for it, of course. This MUST be seen by the campaign! I'll go see if it's been posted there, if not, I'll gladly forward this wonderful piece. :bounce:
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #78
81. Thanks, in_cog_ni_to

I don't mind at all.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:04 PM
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43. Kick
:kick:
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:04 PM
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44. see... there's a positive post
people have been complaining about not seeing enough of the positive candidate posts, well this is a good one.

i wish there were more of this from all the candidates supporters. It may not convince anyone, but it sure beats the hell out of 'your guy sucks' doesnt it.
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:15 PM
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48. You're reading my mind
...but with so much more eloquence. I too have witnessed first-hand "the movie" for over 50 years, and understand that, if anything, the 2004 election version will be even more cutthroat and fear-based than ever. For 3 years I've been envisioning bushCorp jettisoned from its hijacked planetary destruction position. But more importantly, I've been envisioning the campaign and candidate, given the REALITIES at hand, who can send the Junta and as many Congresional neocons as possible slithering away into their rightful darkness.

I've tried so, so hard to embrace and believe the vision of Howard Dean accomplishing that victory, complete with coat-tails to empower real change. For reasons which DancingBear desribes above (and more), I am firmly convinced that in a field of many admirable and courageous candidates, the only one who can deliver this bushwhacked nation and world from bushCorp's deathgrip is Wesley Clark. Having watched every debate and TV appearance by ALL the candidates, having read all candidates' websites and postion papers, having tracked down every link pro & con, having seen and met Wes Clark in person, and having lived through and analyzed every political nuance since Joe McCarthy, I will do everything in my power to deliver Wes Clark the opportunity to expose the current gang of thieves for exactly what they are - lying, fearmongering, greed worshipping, hate-baiting, plutocratic, racist, classist, corporate-whore silver spoon traitors to America. The possibility of enduring another 4 years of their obscenities to mankind is unthinkable, especially with an even bolder Congress and Court puppet-system enabling their PNAC bidding. If you think the last 3 years have been a nightmare, just imagine their agenda of pillaging and moral bankruptcy with an actual lame-duck mandate. Then ask yourself with absolute objectivity and pragmatism EVERY DAY before expending your primary season energies and vote - who can win over enough voting Americans of all stripes to stop the insanity. My only answer to that daily question is Wes Clark, and I urge all of you to reflect long and hard on yours.
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CivilRightsNow Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:16 PM
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51. Wow...
So many of you have really been bowled over with Clark. It was true genius. Everything that they have done from his flip flop on the iraq war to his op ed peices in the London Times... to his "drafting". To the fact that no matter how little he says in the debates and how it is all about the military.. not about all the other issues that a president has to face... still, you are all convinced.

This is so depressing.

NED NED NED NED. SIRVA.. AXIOM.. NED NED NED.. KOSOVO... NED NED NED... HAITI? NED NED NED...I could add a whole lot more words here.

Ive got 20 pages of links I have to cull through and post. It is so slow going because it's so friggin disgusting and shameful and unbelievable. I know many of you wont even read them because you are so convinced..

I dont dislike Dean.. or any other candidate. I have not picked a candidate. I dont need to. This is all orchestrated and paid for by the same people who brought you bush.. except Clark has an advantage with NED behind him.. the same people who have been rigging campaigns and media and propaganda for "democratic" elections since Reagan. They practiced it all over the world.. and now, they are bringing it home.

Because I know Clark is getting the nomination.. He is the same beast as Bush, he has the same ties, he has the same shady dealings. He is a war hawk.. he is questionably religious and feels "an affinity" with the Jewish... and he has all the same people behind him. The question is.. will they need to mobilize the back alley money? Or will Bush be doing well/bad enough?

I want to scream because you people are so friggin blind. I also never want to hear a single one of you refer to Christians or Republicans as sheep again. What hypocrites.

Im voting for Mickey Mouse.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. Until now,


I never truly realized how dumb I was. Thanks for clearing that up.

M-I-C.... see you real soon! :)
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CivilRightsNow Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:32 PM
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57. No problem.
Too bad you dont really realize it.

You will tho. But it'll be too late by then.

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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #57
73. My God, epiphany!
Thank you so much. Now let me see, how do we draft MICKEY?
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:08 PM
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118. Make fun if you want but he does sound serious
CivilRightsNow WILL vote for Mickey or at least Mickey's political equivalent.



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”

So I read this book
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:55 PM
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66. MMM... scattershot.
Debunked debunked rebutted debunked, etc.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:11 PM
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76. Ned? Ned Flanders? Does he have something to do with this?
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #51
80. As well you should
though I don't know that Mickey would appreciate it. He doesn't wear a tinfoil hat...just big black ears.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #51
82. And Kris says...
don't believe the lies those lyin' liars tell you. You know the ones...all those links.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:57 PM
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99. Take your research and shove it!.
"Ive got 20 pages of links I have to cull through and post. It is so slow going because it's so friggin disgusting and shameful and unbelievable. I know many of you wont even read them because you are so convinced.."

You are absolutely right on one account...We won't be reading them.
Save yourself a lot of effort!

First time I've ever been so nasty...but "You made me do it"

"he is questionably religious and feels "an affinity" with the Jewish... "

People who talk like you are not the kind of people Clark wants on his side...So why don't you just go away. We don't need you or want you or like you and your hateful flaming. I hesitated to join DU because unfortunitely I ran across so many of your posts but after continuing ...I found out there were many more sensible, non-hostle people than you...so go ahead and vote for Mickey Mouse! Who cares!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #51
136. God grief. Don't bother, honey. We've seen most of the 'links' and they
have been debunked. Vote for Mickey. Vote for who reps
your viewpoint the best. Its the democratic way. :)
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:35 PM
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60. I can't come up with a word that could possible describe how great
what you put into words really is. This is just exactly how I feel about the man.
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shihtzu5 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:42 PM
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61. Can you get this out to media?
DancingBear; Thank you for this brilliant piece. Please send it to as many newspaper editors as possible, as well as any other media you can think of.
With all due respect to Deanies, what you write here is the cold hard truth. Why can't others see it? Again, with all due respect to the Deanies, if he wins the nomination, we are done!
What will become of this country if Bush has another 4 years?
Please get his brilliant piece circulated as many places as your imagination will devise. Print out copies and hand out whenever and wherever.
Thank You.
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webkev Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:42 PM
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62. If only they'd listen..
all that is important now is beating Bush..
and all I hope for is that more Dems see the light before January..

it was a very true piece..
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 07:53 PM
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65. Nice Going Bro/Sis
You have a talent. Cut out a little fat, simplify your imagery a bit, and you'd make a damn good speech writer, I'd bet.

I myself am about 10cm away from declaring myself a Clark supporter. I love Kucinich's wide open vision and optimism. I carry that with me. I have the anger that Howard Dean taps into. But Clark has the stuff that can make Emperor Punchy pee his pampers. We need a fighter who KNOWS he's bigger, tougher, and smarter than any manuafactured president or PNAC toady in this administration. He also knows clearly what he's up against tactically. I don't feel these things as much with Dean. Got nothing against Howard Dean, don't get me wrong, but Rove certainly must have a punishing agenda set up for him. At any other time Dean would be a wonderful choice.

Anyway, you're good. The movement needs you. Have you considered that?
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:01 PM
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69. I have thought about that

Thank you for the kind words. I would love to write for the Clark folks (in some way, shape or form), but I am a neophyte in trying to figure out where to go, who to contact, etc.

If anyone would like to help steering me in that direcion I would consider it.

BTW, I am doing volunteer work for the Clark campaign presently.

Opps, almost forgot - it's bro. :)
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:01 PM
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116. Dancing Bear...
Are you part of the clark action team? If not, what's your e-mail? I can help pull you in. Awesome Post! You summed up what a lot of us Clarkies feel! Thanks
:pals:
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:20 PM
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123. Send me info about the Clark Action team via my DU inbox

and we'll go from there.

Thanks.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:04 PM
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129. i tried...
but i can't, not enough posts :( please e-mail sarah@indianaforclark.org :)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:21 PM
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105. lol, he said Clark will make Bush "pee his pampers" n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 09:30 PM by Jim4Wes
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:02 PM
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70. Dancing Bear....you have orders
from the General and all the rest of us who have seen the light..

You post this right now on the Clark blog. They will love it and you for writing such a lovely vision of the future.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:11 PM
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77. Okay

Provide me a link to get it up there and I will.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:21 PM
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84. Here you go, Bear...
Just sign up and post this where it says Your Blog. And I've already told everybody to come read it...but they're just as shy of DU sometimes...so go...it is your destiny.

http://www.forclark.com/
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ResistTheCoup Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:30 PM
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86. What DemCam said
And you can also post under Writers for Clark in the top right corner where it says: Join a Community.

Great job!

:toast:

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:31 PM
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87. It's on the Clark Blog, DancingBear! Go see!
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:38 PM
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92. <blushing>


Thanks!! I'm in print!!! (kind of)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:34 PM
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110. My pleasure!
You have 4 replies already....they LOVE it!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:42 PM
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94. Wonderful essay...and I see in the responses words I have used
also....."a gift" (Clark) and "lemmings" (Democrats jumping on a bandwagon, esp. since Gore, without following the whole story).

This is the first time I'm posting this....But, I've been trying to put my finger on why I can't work up any real enthusiasm for Dean, even after originally having been quite interested in him. I finally realized why today...it's in my gut... I am getting a sort of "revulsion" to Dean, in a physical sort of way. And, it's weird, but it's very similar to the sort of thing I feel when I watch Bush. I have to turn Bush off, and I nearly always have to turn Dean off.
The pugnacious quality which first attracted me, is now, in light of sealed records, the draft, the Confederate flag, reminds me of Bush. Bush says stupid things in a belligerent way and gets away with it. Dean gets in the TV camera's face, says something that makes me cringe, and I know he won't get away with it for long with Rove circling, and I get a sick feeling.

Clark comforts me with a dash of impish humor, clear direct speaking, a brilliant mind but without the turnoff. His style is even-tempered and inspires confidence. "Quiet courage" is what I want now, and I bet a lot of on-the-fence Americans are hungering for the same thing, instead of the loud, arrogant styles we see in Bush....and Dean.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:46 PM
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95. Thank You Bear!
We will dance under the stars once again with happiness and hope!

O8)
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:48 PM
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97. Dancing Bear I'm With You!
Great post friend! :hi:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:06 PM
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101. I am ashamed to post
I am not worthy.

That was awesome Bear, thanks and lets get about winning this damn thing!

:yourock:
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HoosierClarkie Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:24 PM
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106. You made all the Clarkies...
proud and I'm sure all DU'ers too. Thank you for investing the time to speak from your heart.

God Bless You.

Sarah
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:24 PM
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107. i've printed it up
and saved it on my hard drive for posterity (or crash, whichever comes first, hence the printing!). great work, and thanks for stating it all so eloquently, dancing bear!
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webkev Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:27 PM
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108. Dude yout touched me
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 09:28 PM by webkev

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:29 PM
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109. That scoreboard kicks!
mind if I snag a copy?
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webkev Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:57 PM
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114. hey thanks
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 09:58 PM by webkev
it's bartcops..
www.bartcop.com
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ResistTheCoup Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:53 PM
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111. Kick
:kick:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:55 PM
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112. Wasn't that a Nixon slogan
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:00 PM
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115. Poetic license??


:)
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:26 PM
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124. I was just think the same thing...
I'm pretty sure the campaign slogan for Nixon during his reelection run was "Nixon-now more then ever".


Great essay dancinbear!!
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:15 PM
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121. great post DancinBear. Clark is a gift to the nation
I only hope the electorate realizes how rare a gem we have here. His credentials and his character are exemplary. I cant remember having a candidate that is more deserving of the post. His life is written as if this run for the Presidency is the culmination of a lifetime of greatness and preparing for the role.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:55 PM
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127. As a Dean Supporter I can tell you that I may vote for Clark...
I can't make up my mind!
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:02 PM
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128. Then think Clark/Dean
And think total victory
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:04 AM
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130. If you are on the fence
think about which of those 2 men will have a chance to beat Bush. Claek does. Then remember Clark has said he will not be Dean's VP. If Dean wins...NO Clark. On the other hand, Clark said Dean was on HIS list for VP. Clark wins, you have a chance for both candidates on the ticket PLUS a great man for president. If your on the fence? I would choose the candidate who can wipe the floor with Bush....Clark. JMCPO
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Ebbhead Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:34 AM
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133. and I'm a newbie!
:-) :kick:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 07:56 AM
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139. Welcome to DU!
Ebbhead! :hi:
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 08:10 AM
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140. Inspired Words
Thank you Dancing Bear for this wonderful essay. It really expresses many of Clark's fine qualities - and why this is a different time, a different place.

Even the folks crashing the party here can't take away from the spirit of your work -- and the positive reaction that many people (including myself) have to it.

Keep it up!
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 08:30 AM
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142. Then vote for Clark
and we'll vote for the populist and we'll see how it works out.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:07 AM
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143. Kick
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