I am so sick of being called a cultist for supporting Dean

[Khephra]

I don't give a Freep about your problems with Dean, but have some freeping respect for the other posters here. We are NOT cultists.

If there's anything that's going to make me leave DU it's going to be this freeping cultist shit.

Disagree or agree with Dean. I don't really give a hoot. But get off the Cultist BS, ok?

[mikehiggins]

1. Cultist :^) n/t

[goobergunch]

2. I concur.

It's really getting annoying. I'm not a robot and I resent being called one.

:grr:

[creativelcro]

80. "Cultists" would be more appropriate for Clarkies, it seems

They are the ones who see their candidate as the Savior from heaven... Just read some of their threads...

[goobergunch]

83. Again with the broad brush...

There are many, many Clark supporters (in fact nearly all of them) that don't believe that Clark is not a Saviour and does not come from Heaven.

[Sterling]

3. I agree

I am begining to think DU is full of imature sore losers. It is really sad that DU allows Dems to be slandered in this way. If that kind of insult can be hurled at a member why can't I just post, Fuck You Asshole? It seems like it is a more valid comment at least in this situation.

[dsc]

4. Please edit the cuss words

I would like to see if your post can survive or will be called flame bait. I agree heartedly with your sentiment though.

[Khephra]

5. Thanks for the reminder

:hi:

[neuvocat]

6. Goes either way

I had asked a question about Dean's position on Selection 2k and in no time one of Dean's supporters called me a desparate Clarkie.

[Sterling]

13. desparate Clarkies

Is what I think when I see "cultist" thrown around.

[neuvocat]

49. Thanks for illustrating my point.

[Khephra]

18. I have no problems with "ies"

We're called Deanies, and I don't really hear anyone complaining about that. Clark supporters have been known to call themselves Clarkies too. I don't see any Dean supporters calling themselves 'cultists", even in jest.

"Cultist" and "Robot" and all the kool-aid jokes point to us not being thinking beings. Thats far worse than any simple nickname.

[Gman]

75. I posted a thread about how Dean has no African-Americans in his

campaign and got scortched.

Yes, Deanies are a cult.

[Khephra]

76. How many Deanies are on this board?

How many actually attacked you? I know I didn't. I guess my cult orders got lost in the mail, huh?

:crazy:

[goobergunch]

77. I didn't see the thread

Looks like my DeanComm is malfunctioning....

[ibegurpard]

78. That thread was bullshit

Not nearly as innocuous as you would like everyone to believe.

[PVnRT]

88. Yes, how dare they defend their candidate

Especially against the race-baiters around here.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

104. Indeed, and then you asked

"Are blacks ALLOWED to go to Iowa to help the Dean campaign?", as if that were some sort of legitimate question.

You got scorched because you were being irrational and rude.

But yes, we are a cult. $100 gets you in. www.deanforamerica.com/contribute

[jpgpenn]

7. "Cultist" ? Why"?

"You Have the Power":hi:

[Bombtrack]

8. some Deanies need also stop calling Dean criticisers republicans

or republican lite or Bush-lite, or Karl Rove, etc.

[Khephra]

23. All Democrats need to stop that. It's not just a Deanie thing

Look at the Lieberman threads. I don't like Lieberman, but people from all camps here call him a Republican. It's not just a Deanie thing--it's a all-around DU problem.

[Jerseycoa]

81. "Repukes"

That's my favorite. I get called that all the time at DU and right from my first day here. Sweet, huh?

[Khephra]

84. I'm sorry that happens to you, but it's also been a problem

since I first arived here all those many moons ago. Calling other DUers Repugs,k Repukes and Freepers and the like has a long history here, unfortunately. The mods try to watch for shit like that (I was a mod, so I know), but it's impossible for even the most active mod to catch it all anymore.

[adadem]

102. Thank You!

[cally]

9. The name calling on both sides is absurd

Supporters of Dean are not cultists. Kucinich, Sharpton, or Moseley-Braun's supporters are not naive. Clark supporters are not Republicans and politically naive. I've been called both once I said I support Clark. We all need to quit attacking each other and tone it down.

[clarknyc]

Exactly.

Posted as a Dean supporter.

[ibegurpard]

10. Yeah

Another candidate's supporter informed us yesterday that they would take a bullet for their candidate and WE'RE the cultists?!

[Bucky]

11. Next time some Deanie at the airport hands me a flower, I'll be nicer

But I won't go live in their compound :eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

12. I don't blame you. It is pure bullshit and it should stop right now n/t

[WilliamPitt]

14. Agreed

[HuckleB]

15. Thanks.

Considering the fervor of the anti-Dean crowd, it would be much more accurate to refer to them as the cultists. Not that I would ever do that , of course!

;)

[Name removed]

16. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bicentennial_baby]

22. Thanks...not

I'm glad to know you think so highly of those of us who support Clark.



....crawling back under rock now....

[Sterling]

30. If you stay after the primary

you hvae earned all of our respect. If you just showed up to push a candidate and then take your toys and go home when things did not go your way then bu bye.

[goobergunch]

34. bicentennial_baby is a long-time DUer (n/t)

[bicentennial_baby]

57. Thanks

:yourock:

[goobergunch]

68. No problem. (n/t)

[bicentennial_baby]

36. Excuse me but

I've been here since January and started supporting Clark during the summer. My profile says member since July b/c I used to have a different DU name, toolfan. I did'nt come here to "push" Clark or anyone else, and I'm really not concerned about whether or not I get your respect, 'k?

[Sterling]

50. k

You will still have my respect if you can get over the fact Clark will not be on the ticket as Prez of Vice and you still work your guts out for Dean even if you don't want it.

[goobergunch]

53. Nothing in the future is definite.

Dean is favored at this point, but by no means decisively.

[Sterling]

72. Sure but

The momentum Dean has is pretty hard to stop. And it came from places like DU where activist spent their time before the primary. To see astro turfers invade DU and pander for a particular candidate and cry that they won't play unless their guy gets it is tough to stand.

Honestly Dean is next to a sure thing and it is because of people like us DUers who have made it clear we will no linger accept sell outs. The thought of a bunch pf sore losers witholding support for a Dean ticket is infuriating.

As long as I have to endure being called a cultist by sore losers for backing a Dem on DU I will say, suck on it.

[Kosmos Mariner]

87. the "aura of inevitability" campaign make me want to....

:puke: No respect at all. :puke:



:dem:

[retyred]

89. I can live with Clark losing the nod

I don't believe he will but in a fair vote I can except a loss, what will be hard to except is that a dean nomination will be a win for bush.

If I do stay after the nomination should dean get it, it will be for pure personal reasons (I like to watch) and require the respect of no one, least of all a contributor to a bush 2nd term.

The question is: If I can live with a Clark loss of the primary because of the blindness of others, can you live with a dean loss in the general for the same reason?

Should dean get the nod and lose to bush, I predict the meltdown will be epic!



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[mot78]

26. Are you Sterling Newberry?

What's with the Clark-bashing? Sorry, but I had to ask because your name is Sterling.

[Sterling]

44. Clark is #2 on my list.

The pathetic promotion, dishonest debate, outright name calling and threats to work half ass if Dean wins makes me not think very highly of the people who promote Clark on DU.

It could have been a lot easier. DU was abetter place before people promoting primary candidates started astro turfing.

[goobergunch]

31. That's not constructive

I think that many Clark supporters will willingly support Dean for the nomination if he is nominated, just as many Dean supporters (including myself) will willingly support Clark for the nomination if he is nominated.

[Khephra]

54. Same here

ABB!

[Sterling]

58. SO why do I see so many Clarkies

qualifying their support for the ticket if Dean wins, sorry fuck em. These are the same people that would punch a Nader voter in the face if the could get away with it. If an individual can support Clark like a rational human being and still work to defeat Bush then they are part of the team, if not, again fuck em.

[Name removed]

38. Deleted message

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[Name removed]

62. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cally]

40. You just presented why so many of these discussions

get so nasty. This is a thread where people are trying to tone it down and you just told Clark supporters to crawl back under rocks and that we will leave DU.

Way to promote unity and understanding at DU. For your info, I've been here for about two years. I liked Dean at first but I prefer Clark. Being taunted by Dean supporters sure is making it harder for me to attend meetups and campaign for him if he wins the nomination. Posts like yours just make it hard for all of us who want to support the Democratic nominee.

[retyred]

64. Now that one hurt!

More kool-aid sir?



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[MuseRider]

17. Ahh rats,

does that mean it comes back to us Kucitizens now? You are right, that should never be said about any of us.

[maddezmom]

19. I'm sick of being called Anti-Dean or DeanHater because

he's not my first choice!! And the Clarkette and Clarkie thing is a little over the top, too.

[Scott Lee]

86. I raise my glass to Clark. He's my second choice.

[Pastiche423]

20. I've begun to look at it this way...

The people that are using the "c" word, are envious of the hard work the Dean supporters have done for a candidate that listens to us and has proven he will work aggressively to change the path our country is on, but mostly because, w/his help, we can take our country back!

[robsul82]

21. It's ridiculous, it happens on both sides, it's gotta stop. Agreed?

Seriously, the level of childish bickering on this site just SUCKS, period. The amount of sore losers yelling "cultist" at Dean backers, the Dean supporters screaming for everyone to get in line...I think we need Skinner to give us a good talking-to.

Later.

RJS

[QC]

24. I'm sick of being called a Republican,

an enabler of the m/i complex, and a war criminal sympathizer for supporting Clark.

I can assure you that the disgust with the name-calling goes both ways.

The bad thing, for me, is that I like Howard Dean a lot and was interested in him long before he ran for president, but the childish antics of some of his supporters have made it hard for me not to have a negative attitude toward him. That's irrational, I know, but a perfectly human reaction to months of flame wars.

If Dean gets the nomination, I would like to be able to vote for him proudly, not with a clothespin firmly attached to my nose.

[Khephra]

29. See post #23

[QC]

41. See post #16.

I will be able to take all these appeals for civility much more seriously when I see a few of the Dean crowd start calling out their own people on that sort of thing.

[Khephra]

45. I've done it before

I can only speak for myself on that topic.

[goobergunch]

46. See post #31 (n/t)

[QC]

52. Thank you! n/t

[liberalmuse]

71. I know what you mean.

I've felt that way about another candidates supporters, but I've decided not to let them cloud my perception of their candidate, especially since I may have to get behind that candidate with everything I have. This election is just too important, so I'm going to try and take the high road (and hopefully won't fall back into the ditch again tomorrow). All of our Democratic candidates have qualities we can be proud of, and even their worst qualities are still 100 times better than Bush's best qualities.

Many people don't understand that Dean's appeal is more due to his ability to take it to the people, allowing those who are passionate about politics and government, but who have never really felt a part of this process to feel that they are a part of his campaign, and they matter, rather than hero worship. If that is what earns the label of 'cultist', so be it. We know better.

[Don_G]

25. Same Here

And one individual in particular.

[Clark Can WIN]

27. A Dean fan two days ago called me a

"republican psych operative" :eyes: Wasn't the first time I've seen that kind of joyous spirit of unity from a Deaniac.

I used to be very, very nice to Deanies but after getting SHIT ON repeatedly I said hey, screw it.

[HuckleB]

33. Yeah, they're all the same!

:eyes:

I love their uniforms, though. They're so cute!

[goobergunch]

39. See the original post

Do I get along with all Clark supporters? No. Do I impugn all Clark supporters because I dislike some of them? No. It's time to get rid of the broad brushes.

[HuckleB]

43. Yup.

That's why I was being cynical. See the roll eyes and the goofy comment inside the post.

[goobergunch]

48. I missed that - sorry.

I'm starting to take DU far too seriously.

[NNN0LHI]

35. What you may be forgetting is that this is a public and anonymous site?

The person who said that may no more actually be a Dean supporter, or even a Democrat than I am the man in the moon. Don't fall for the crap.

Don

[bubba_fett]

96. I'm a dean guy...

and I like clark, thanks for being a democrat.

I've never attacked anyone for their choice of cantidate, because I think we should all stick together on this. If we manage to stay together then I think we can get the resident chump out of the whitehouse.

[killbotfactory]

28. That's exactly what I would expect a cultist to say...

Of course, I'm just a humble Deanbot and was programmed to say that.

My suggestion is to take all the dean bashing with a grain of salt and laugh at them. There's no reason to be bitter right now. Dean's obliterating the competition.

[Zero Division]

32. Fully agree khephra!

It certainly is as stupid and unfair as all the insults that Clark supporters are constantly tarred with by the anti-Clarkies.

[Khephra]

37. The name calling on all sides should stop

I am in total agreement.

We're all never going to agree on everything, but the least we can do is stop acting like we're in high school.

[goobergunch]

42. As somebody that is in high school...

I'd like to point out that most of us high school DUers have not been responsible for the name-calling here.

[Khephra]

51. Sorry!

No offence meant to the DU High Schoolers.

:-)

[goobergunch]

55. Thanks. None taken.

:)

[Zero Division]

56. The sides that really matter on DU

are not between different candidates' supporters, but between those who stand firmly for unity among Democrats and those who prefer bashing a particular candidate or set of candidates and their supporters.

It's always good to find others on the right side. :D

[wndycty]

47. Hmmmmmmm

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0343/fahim.php
The Army of Dean For the Troops, the Campaign Unmanages the Message — "Dean followers now include self-described geeks, dykes, security moms, and expats, along with graphic designers, hackers, economists, and the unemployed," Kareem Fahim writes, analyzing the increasingly wild cult growing up around the canditate.
(Bottom of the page)

IS HOWARD DEAN A CULT LEADER?
by LCD
ACTIVE Nov 18, 2003 - Nov 17, 2004
Howard Dean is charismatic from what I have seen, and well educated. He is one of the leading democratic contender, but something bothers me. Does his campaign sound a little too messiahanic, little too cult like. I hate it when issues takes the back seat to personality, and Dean followers seem a little too much like branch davidians. What is your take on his campaign?

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/vote/vote-5514.html

Dean's Cult Following

"I hide behind a smile, and understanding eyes
"And I tell you things you already know, so you can say, 'I really identify with you, so much'"
Henry Rollins "Liar"

Most of what I've been able to see of Howard Dean has been his anger; however, according to Laura Blumenfeld's article in the Washington Post, there's a streak of self-help/empowerment language in his stump speech that doesn't come across in interviews and debates. This is a clever tactic, and powerful stuff for politicians of all political bents. People, especially when massed, never tire of being told how wonderful and how powerful they are. They love it when politicians give them a romantic impression of their future destiny. Some people will hand over their worship to anyone who does that.
-snip-

http://homepage.mac.com/jim_snowden/iblog/C1698934252/E885891297/

[Khephra]

59. What are you trying to say?

That we ARE Cultists?

[ibegurpard]

63. It would appear so.

And this person is a Clark supporter.

[cally]

69. That post is not helpful in this thread

We all have to be on the same side in the end. This namecalling has to stop. Dean supporters are not cultists.

[mitchum]

60. How about "True Believer" then?

see Eric Hoffer

[frank frankly]

61. it is garbage

off to Late Breaking News for awhile.

i mean, i was drawn to all of this because America was overthrown and replaced with AmeriKKKa.

reading some recent crap here, i have forgotten.

[bicentennial_baby]

65. I'm down with that Kheph!

But if I start a cult, can I still count on you to do the goat sacrifices? ;-)

[Khephra]

70. Of course!

Goat's blood on the house!

;-)

[Nlighten1]

66. I knew it would come to this.

This sort of flame war pace will wear thin on even the most saintly person.

[Demobrat]

67. Who cares what they call us?

They're going to be calling Dean Mr. President .

[Sterling]

73. Unless the sellouts take their toys and go home.

I have heard many Clarkies qualify their support for a Dean ticket. To them I say, suck on it, sore loser. And thank you for 4 more years of Bush.

[Demobrat]

82. We just have to bring in more than enough new people

to make up for them, and we will. I had two office mates, with whom I have never talked politics, come up to me in the last two days because I have a Dean pin up in my cube, to talk about the Gore endorsement and ask about Dean. They are both coming to the next meetup, and I'm willing to bet that's happening all over the country.

[Cha]

74. Right on Dudette!

:toast:

[Gman]

79. This thread is just like the Democratic Party I know and love

In the primaries its infighting, undermining, more fighting. Then coming together in November to win.

[Khephra]

85. Oh, and for the Clark supporters....(and others)

Lay off the "war criminal" bs too. Disagree with each other as much as you like, but we don't need to be calling each other "Cultists", "War Criminals", "Freepers", or "Repugs".

[msanger]

91. I am a Dean Cultist!

I have completely bought his message that we can take back our country.

I have completely bought the extreme idea that working hard for a candidate I support can actually make a difference.

I have donated insane amounts of money that goes God only knows where.

I trust my candidate as much as I trust any other politician.

I am happier since I became converted to this insane idea that what I do actually might make a difference in the world.

I want other people to be as happy and empowered as I am.

I want them to support Dean/Clark/Kerry/Gephard/Kucinich/Braun/Sharpton/Edwards with all the energy they have.

Like I said, I am a Dean cultist.

And loving it!

[bicentennial_baby]

92. Merci friend

:yourock:

[maddezmom]

106. thank you :)

[PsychoDad]

90. I thought you were a cultist....

Because you worshiped the "old Ones" in obscene rites? :silly:

Cthulhu Pthagan

[Khephra]

93. Well...that's different

Cthulhu is apolitical.

:evilgrin:

[goobergunch]

94. kick

:kick:

[IndianaGreen]

95. According to Admin, calling people cultist is inflammatory

From Skinner himself:

comparing supporters of a particular candidate to a cult, that's inflammatory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=8240#8250

Hit the ALERT button everytime someone attacks DUers for just supporting a candidate.

[wiley]

97. You should calm down! You should calm down! You should calm down!

It's because you guys get so indignant and growl when someone dares to suggest that H.Deanness is not PERFECT. Learn to play well with others.

:scared:


http://www.clark04.com

[goobergunch]

99. Nothing like a good broad generalization!

Howard Dean is not perfect. Nobody's perfect. In fact, Kucinich is probably the closest of the candidate's to being perfect.

[BurtWorm]

100. I'd like to see just one post claiming Dean is perfect.

Just one. I certainly don't think he's perfect. In fact I like that his imperfection is right out on the table (except in the matter of the sealed records ;) .)

Welcome to DU, by the way.

:toast:

[KoKo]

105. "Learn to play well with others?"

:crazy:

[slinkerwink]

98. I agree!

I'm so fucking sick of this crap on here!

[opihimoimoi]

101. And we say we want Bush Outta there???

Yes we will, whether its Dean or Joe, or whomever. It will be a Dem Prez

Get over it, come together, don't feed the Pub Rats. They want us divided. They even pay people like Rush/Ann/OReilly/etc to come trash us.
They gave made it a living, a cottage industry. The Pub Masters are paying them well. Rush gets $250 mil?? That means its worth a whole lot more to the Pubs to squash us DEMs.

We working stiffs gotta band together to fight the Pub Masters or we are doomed to slave forever.

Come, we sing Happy Days

[sendero]

103. Let's face facts....

... just as a small percentage of Iraqis can maintain chaos in Iraq, a small number of folks who believe in one particular candidate and that candidate only have made chaos here.

If I were moderating the board many of them would have been banned by now. The sum total of their posts is to discredit a particular candidate, and absolutely nothing else.

It isn't just Dean who's getting this treatment, Clark and Kerry are also. (Funny how nobody who is really not in the running (other than the universally disliked Holy Joe) is getting it tho.)

Some of these folks are probably just immature people, some are probably professional disruptors. Either way, we have to do something.

Since we don't own the board, the best thing would be to ignore these obvious flamebait posts. If there are no replies, there will be no pointless rehash, no he said she said, nothing. It takes a lot of discpiline, I for one have done plenty of rebuttals in threads whose main purpose is to tout candidate A at the expense of B, but I'm tired of the whole thing. Let's just starve these people out.