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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:45 AM
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Bushies keen on Dean as W's ideal foe
http://www.nydailynews.com/12-10-2003/news/politics/story/144493p-127803c.html
Bushies keen on Dean
as W's ideal foe
By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
WASHINGTON - White House political strategists believe Howard Dean has a hammerlock on the 2004 Democratic nomination - and they're trying hard not to gloat about it.
Senior Bush political managers have been ordered to curb their cockiness but many of them privately say President Bush has drawn the opponent of his dreams in Dean - a left-leaning Democrat they contend can be tarred as a latter-day George McGovern.
"The best thing Bush has going for him is that Dean is a weak Michael Dukakis," a key Bush official told the Daily News. "Dukakis won 10 states. Unless things turn very bad for Bush, I don't see Dean winning more than five."
The source concedes New York and California to Dean, and presumably his home state of Vermont, but does not spell out where else the Democrat could win.
A second prominent campaign adviser echoed: "We are extraordinarily happy today."
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:48 AM
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1. I'm gonna save this article
for a chuckle 1 year from now
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:52 AM
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6. Here's more laughing stuff:
Should Republicans Help Nominate Howard Dean?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Exclusive commentary by CK Rairden

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_6309.shtml 

Aug 6, 2003
Republicans are already voting with their wallets for Howard Dean, logging on to Dean’s official Web Site and donating various sums of cash to the left wing candidate’s primary campaign. They want Dean to win the Democrat primary. The real question now emerges. Will rank and file Republicans cross over and vote in the Democrat Primary elections to help get Dean the nomination?

Howard Dean is a dream candidate for two particular sides of the body politic. First, the angry disgruntled liberal wing that has taken over the Democrat Party and second Americans that want to see President George W. Bush re-elected.

Howard Dean is even more to Bush advisor Karl Rove. Dean is a Karl Rove wet dream. He is an anti-war liberal in a time when soccer moms have become security conscious. Dean has also promised to raise taxes if elected president. These are two losing platforms that have a McGovernesque train wreck written all over it. The GOP now has to consider whether they will now take an even more active role in securing the nomination for Howard Dean.

Should they register as Democrats where necessary, vote for Dean in the primary and help get him the Democrat nomination?More
and
http://www.polipundit.com
Give, Give, Give
To everyone who took up my call to donate to Howard Dean in June, here's your new assignment: Give all you can to John Edwards and/or John Kerry.
The rationale is simple:

1. We still want Dean to be the nominee so that President Bush can crush him and have long coattails.
2. The biggest threat to a Dean nomination is no longer Dick Gephardt, John Kerry or John Edwards. It's Weasel Clark, for all the reasons outlined below.
3. To help Dean, we have to bring down Clark's vote totals in the crucial states of New Hampshire and South Carolina.
4. In New Hampshire, donating to neighbouring-son John Kerry will help ensure that Clark won't surpass expectations by finishing ahead of Kerry.
5. In South Carolina, Clark can be stopped by neighbouring-son John Edwards.
Donating online is easy. Just click here to donate to Kerry or click here to donate to Edwards.
posted by PoliPundit at 7:07 AM

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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:54 AM
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9. I don't let others think for me
Which means I also don't let others psych me out. I don't think Paul Simon or Al Gore allow others to psych them out either. Let the Pukes play their games and we'll play ours. No point in allowing them have one iota of a say as to who we select.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:37 PM
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14. I hope you are not too disappointed
when the time comes. :(
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:50 AM
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2. A question one might ask onself
Do the Bushies know how it looks to claim that Dean is the weakest candidate, the one they want to take on?

Seems like the answer would be yes, doesn't it? I mean that's not exactly advanced politics, is it? Gloating about getting Dean is certain to hurt Deans chances.

Seems if they really loved Dean that much they'd keep their mouths shut.

But I could be wrong.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:52 AM
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5. Republicans Have Extraordinary Discipline in Congress
But among the punditocracy and the staff, everyone likes to gloat and leak. The Republican preference for Dean is also obvious among their rank-and-file.

Again, the kicker is proving them wrong if Dean is our nominee. But pretending like their preference for Dean doesn't exist is willful blindness.

DTH
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:55 AM
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11. yeah right
and you can't through the cocky bravado act.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:51 AM
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3. So now we know what the repubs....
want us to think they think about what they think they know.

But even some repubs disagree with them. (or say they do so we will think we know what they think about what they know. or are at least willing to say :crazy: )

snip>
FROM: Hans Kaiser & Bob Moore
RE: Election 2004: Why Dean Can Win, September 2003

A recent article by David Brooks left readers with the distinct impression that Republican pollsters are all of the opinion that Howard Dean cannot possibly beat George Bush. We regret that he didn’t check with us first, as it is our belief that Dean has the potential to be a formidable candidate who could give the President a very difficult race.

The conventional wisdom that has some Republicans giddy about a potential Dean candidacy is not only misguided, it is counterproductive. Writing off a candidate like Dean by selectively sorting statistical gobble-de-gook and mixing it into a broth of “empirical” sociological evidence ignores the political realities of our time.

Howard Dean can win because he believes in what he is saying........

http://www.moore-info.com/Poll_Updates/2004%20Election%20%20Why%20Dean%20can%20win%20Sept%2003.htm

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:53 PM
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17. Meanwhile WSJ/Daily News and ABCNote continue dump on Dean
Meanwhile WSJ/Daily News and ABCNote continue dump on Dean

http://www.nydailynews.com/12-10-2003/news/politics/story/144493p-127803c.html

Bushies keen on Dean
as W's ideal foe



By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF

WASHINGTON - White House political strategists believe Howard Dean has a hammerlock on the 2004 Democratic nomination - and they're trying hard not to gloat about it.

Senior Bush political managers have been ordered to curb their cockiness but many of them privately say President Bush has drawn the opponent of his dreams in Dean - a left-leaning Democrat they contend can be tarred as a latter-day George McGovern.<snip>

But Team Bush believes that Dean's support for same-sex unions, abortion rights and higher taxes not only energizes the conservative Republican base but turns off independent voters.<snip>


In addition, "Dean will never pass the leadership threshold test," another Bush adviser argued. "He comes across as a morally superior liberal elitist who isn't ready to be President."<snip>

COMMENT- now why would the GOP plant a story that they like Dean because he would be easy, but they can not talk about it?



And as always, the ABCNote carries GOP water by saying "There are at least seven people affiliated with the Bush-Cheney campaign who are more familiar with Dean's record as Vermont governor than he is — and can talk about it on terms that will be very compelling to the American people." With the Daily News joining the Wall Street Journal in dumping on Dean in contradiction to "WhiteHouse orders to help Dean win nomination.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/144540p-127806c.html Ten things you should know about Howard Dean : Dean was a New York baby, born in the old Doctors Hospital in Manhattan. His father, Howard, worked on Wall Street for 25 years and the family lived on Park Ave. while Dean was young. His mother, Andree, stayed home with the four Dean boys. He says, “I feel I really grew up in East Hampton ,” where he played hockey on a pond behind his house in the winter and “baseball and Ballantine” in the summer - once he was 18. Dean attended some of the most exclusive schools in the country. At age 13, he was sent to St. George’s School in Newport, R.I. After graduating from high school, he was enrolled in an English boarding school and traveled through much of Europe and North Africa. He later graduated from Yale. The anti-war candidate flunked his draft physical at Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn because of an unfused vertebra. He concedes he then took a construction job in Colorado, where “all I did was work and ski.” His brother Charlie was killed in Laos during the Vietnam War. Dean’s parents say Charlie was a CIA agent; his bones were recently repatriated. After trying Wall Street and not liking it, Dean opted for a career in medicine and attended Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, where he met his wife, Judy Steinberg. They shared a medical practice for years, but she has never campaigned with him. Dean says his patients preferred being treated by his wife.Like President Bush, Dean abruptly quit drinking. Dean’s epiphany came when he woke up hung-over at age 33, the day after his bachelor party. He migrated to Burlington, Vt., in 1978 to begin his residency - after not getting into any of his first three choices. He began his political career there. Dean was Vermont’s lieutenant governor in 1991, when Gov. Dick Snelling died. Dean remained governor until 2002, when he decided to run for President.He has two teenage children, Anne and Paul. Paul was recently arrested for being the getaway driver for other teens who broke into a country club bar. Dean was born a Catholic, but now lists his faith as Congregationalist, although he does not attend church regularly.


The ABCNote continues the dump on Dean tone -claiming the Globe takes Dean to task over the what is Bush hiding on 911 - when that is not what the Globe did - it just noted that BUSH KNEW is an incendiary rumor - and questions if Dean should give it air time if he does not think the rumor credible - forgetting that stalling the 911 commission MAKES THE RUMOUR CREDIBLE.And as always, the ABCNote tries to insert in the media mind set that did will not "win"states - so on Feb 3 they should only do stories about delegate accumulation.




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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:51 AM
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4. NY Daily news
Why do you insist on astroturfing for the Right?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:54 AM
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8. To come up with something against
Dean? I'm just guessing.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:54 AM
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10. Same paper was defending Dean on the C-Flag and excoriatring the attackers
I wonder why? Were they astroturfing them, or only now?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:52 AM
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7. Yeah and we know how
fuc*in' DUMB they are.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:56 AM
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12. Carter Wanted Reagan
And we all got him. :-(
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:35 PM
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13. Well, you know what they say.......
"Be careful what you wish for".
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:40 PM
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15. Bushie's were pretending to be keen on Saddam as W's ideal foe, too.
Edited on Wed Dec-10-03 12:42 PM by BurtWorm
When will be seeing Bush goading, "Bring it on!"
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:41 PM
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16. Some people can't NOT think of the right wing
That's way beyond sad.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:54 PM
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18. And Iraq has WMD's and a nuke program, we must invade
Jebus Christ, when will you people realize that Bush and Rove are full of shit?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:55 PM
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19. Their political intelligence is so flawed
they are as wrong about Dean as the Iraq War, out to lunch instead of living like the people live, paycheck to paycheck in many cases.
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