Lies about Dean on ABC's "The View".

[Lorien]

I mistakenly left the TV on this morning and caught a glimpse of ABC's "The View." The "ladies" were grousing about Gore's endorsement of Dean. Star (don't know their last names) said that the Clinton's were the DNC puppetmasters, and they wanted to run an unelectable candidate so as to leave the field wide open for Hillary in 2008. Joy confirmed that yes, Dean is "unelectable" because he's "such an extreme lefty" and he can't possibly win against *-obviously, the Dems didn't want to win this time. Their 'guest host," a young blonde, timidly said "you never know, he might surprise everybody..." of course, she was firmly put in her place.

Folks, regardless of your candidate preferences and feelings about Dean, it IS our responsibility to stand up for ALL our candidates against the rove media machine. Here's "the View"s site: http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/index.html Please write and set the record straight about Dean's "extremist" views. These women admit that their producer is a diehard repug, and often they toe the Rove line. They have a great deal of influence with stay at home moms across the country, so these lies count. It's amazing -I've only seen the show a handful of times, and each time I'm amazed at the falsehoods they firmly state as fact. Even silly things; one day they started talking about people keeping wild animals "like ferrets" as pets. One woman asked "are ferrets rodents"? "Oh yes"! They all said authoritatively "they are rodents!" all nodded. Ferrets are neither wild nor rodents, but the women of America watching this swill are convinced they are, just as they're convinced Dean is a far left extremist. We can't let Karl and his "ladies" continue to spin this lie into accepted fact!

[Rick Myers]

1. The total IQ on The View panel

would NOT break 100!

[Lorien]

4. Agreed

The real "puppetmaster' out there is the corporate master of those pod women! Sadly, they have a good deal of influence with soccer moms. :-(

[5thGenDemocrat]

42. The corporate master of those pod women (Disney)

Is the same corporate master behind Michael Moore's upcoming movie.
John
If soccer moms vote based on what they hear on daytime TV, democracy is dead. But then, I suspect it is.

[montanacowboy]

2. Bimbo City

eom

[Terwilliger]

3. Star "I could never respect a non-religious government official" Jones

:nuke:

[mrgorth]

5. GODDAMMIT!!!

I hate these pieces of crap! Why the hell are they using the Hillary line? If we nominate Clark would their excuse be the same?

[Warpy]

18. HA!

"You can tell we're feminists because we vote for extreme right wing women"

[Racenut20]

6. You will all come visit me at Gitmo ????

Almost every day you bless me with a thread where I can go and register my protest about the Hoover administration, and I do it.

Of course, by now I am sure the Nazi's at the AT's office, the FBI, the CIA, and the Keystone Cops are all following me around Tampa every day.

I always drive the middle lanes on the Franklin Bridge going home so a black sedan can't cut me off and run me over the edge.. Gandy Bridge, Campbell Causeway ???? forget it. Only 2 lanes. Never get on them.

But anypath, keep up the good work. I would never find any of this stuff if it were not for your good efforts.

[lastliberalintexas]

23. Nope

We won't have to visit- we'll all be there with you! :)

[HFishbine]

7. We just have to face it

There are some votes we are NOT going to get. If we fail to garner the moronic, myopic, uninformed, unoriginal, intellectually vapid bimbo vote, I think we'll still do alright.

[TexasPatriot]

13. Remember Kuhleefornia

we said the same thing about Arnold...
unfortunately more balloons and more confetti = more votes...
bread and circuses rule the day.

[Lorien]

20. No, we don't

I'm willing to fight for every vote because democracy is worth it! Enough people bitched about the Reagan movie and had it moved to showtime. We have the same power to create change. The main difference between repugs and dems when it comes to activism is that repugs believe in it and do it with great fevor, with Dems often sit on their hands and gripe about why things keep changing for the worse. If we ARE going to save America, we have to do far more than kvetch on DU. We can't leave it all to MoveOn.org-we must act ourselves!

[Rose Siding]

30. The media has to be confronted

The misconceptions have to be politely and consistently answered with facts.

[louis-t]

8. Did they pick these women...

for this show because of the similarity in their brainwave patterns to Laura Bush? Stepford wives indeed!

[NashVegas]

9. I Choose to "View" the Silver Lining

Repeat it enough, and they just might sew up enough anti-Clinton Republican votes to help push the Dems over if Dean wins the nom.

[TheDonkey]

10. I agree we must stick up for all our canidates

Kerry= french and aloof..... NO
Dean= unelectable.... NO
Clark= fired general..... NO
etc...

[Eloriel]

11. Please post this to the blog

http://www.blogforamerica.com/

[Lorien]

22. Thanks Eloriel

I will!

[RandomKoolzip]

12. Here's my e-mail to Meredith Vierra:

Hi! I usually enjoy your show, but there was a discussion topic which left me shaking my head in disappointment today...

Howard Dean. Listen, I know you guys are being backed by a corporate multinational, and we all know that CEO's vote republican. But can you refrain please from allowing consrvative proaganda into your broadcasts? Anyone who does any minute amount of research on Howard Dean knows that he's not a "rabid lefty," but a smart, driven moderate with a lot of great policies. When you tell your large audience at home that Howard Dean is "unelectable," that influences voters...not all of whom are republican. In fact, there's a lot more people out there who are angry at this republican administration than there are "rabid righties" like Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.

Also, please remind yourself that Karl Rove is an expert at manipulating the media and America's perception of politics. His talking points are repeated endlessly on talk radio by the various, too-many conservative talk-show hosts. Mr. Rove also is knon for planting false stories in the press about Democrats, and getting the media to repeat them until America somehow believes them; the story about Al Gore claiming to have "invented the internet" is one of those (He never said such a thing!) Rove's use of the corporate media to bash candidates is disgraceful. He seems to have set the tone for the discussion today!

To sum up, I believe that you may have thought you had your finger on the pulse of the nation, but your perceptions are unfortunately biased by your producers's right-wing leanings.

I will continue to watch your show...but please, no more right-wing propaganda. Thank You!

Too mild? Well, I wanted to make it friendly and palatable, not a rant. Gee, I wonder if she'll read it...

[RBHam]

14. You're good.

Intelligent and reasonable request.

[Lorien]

17. Great! Maybe they'll even read some of

it on the air! You were much kinder than I was. :thumbsup:

[NewJeffCT]

27. my email to the View

I tried to be fairly mild and even-tempered>>>>

Can you cite any evidence that Howard Dean is an “extreme lefty” as you put it today? I am not a big Dean supporter, but I will vote for him if he wins the nomination.

To be honest, most of Howard Dean’s policies seem fairly moderate, if not conservative. Yes, he was against the war in Iraq, but his opposition now seems prescient, not anything that is extremely left wing. Many Americans seem to share his view that Iraq and their still missing Weapons of Mass Destruction was an imminent threat to America. He was also for the war in Afghanistan. And, how many extreme lefties get high scores from the National Rifle Association? How many extreme lefties believe in letting the states decide a lot of moral issues instead of the federal government?

Or, you can put it another way, if being an extreme lefty means that we would have to “suffer” through balanced budgets and a huge increase in the number of children with health insurance, please give me more extreme lefties instead of the “Borrow and Spend” policies of our current extreme righty administration currently occupying the White House that will pass on huge debts to our children and grandchildren.

[RBHam]

29. Typo?

"Many Americans seem to share his view that Iraq and their still missing Weapons of Mass Destruction was an imminent threat to America"

you mean Americans share (Dean's)? view that Iraq was NOT an imminent threat?

[NewJeffCT]

32. Oops

I guess I am still in vacation mode. You are correct, and I did have a typo in there.

[minkyboodle]

15. I can take some things but I have to draw the line

Its one thing to lie about Dean but damnit dragging my pet ferrets into it.... grrrrrrr thats about all Minkyboodle can stand. Actually Jen6 you are right its unfortunate that this show has a large impact on stay at home moms. I haven't really watched the show as I find it akin to Chinese water torture but I'm glad you caught the Dean bashing. I have sent an email expressing my concern about their lies about Dean being an extreme lefty (Hey I'm a Kucinich supporter so I know lefties :) ). The ferret comment just pisses me off. When you piss off a business of ferrets, all I got to say is those ladies better watch that their keys, slippers and socks don't all go missing.
Scott

[vi5]

16. Oh brother....this type of crapola is ridiculous....

Another one of these tv shows or personalities that when they are taking our side or favoring our viewpoint, people are on here gushing about them and praising them. But when they express their opinion and it runs counter to ours all of a sudden the condemnation comes.

Sometimes I wonder if we are any better than the freepers.

[Lorien]

26. I'm fine with anyone stating his/her opinion

but stating an opinion as absolute fact is another matter entirely.

So you're comparing me to a Freeper because I object to outright lies about Dem candidates on a popular national television show? Well hey, I'll give the Freepers this; when something pisses them off, they act to change it. Look at your country lately? They've been pretty damn active! If it takes similar efforts from our side to save our country then hell, call me what you will. Let a lie stand, it becomes fact-or didn't you notice the slander of Gore in 2000? That came from shows like "the View".

[vi5]

35. If it's their opinion that he's unelectable...

Who cares? It's not my opinion so why should I care what Meredith Viera thinks?

My point is that when the View has on Anne Coulter or Sean Hannity and they take him to task because their "opinions" differ then there is a long thread on here about how great it is. But when they discuss something that dares to tread on what certain people consider to be sacred ground then everyone is up in arms and all ready to draft off angry letters.

People on here need to realize that not everyone in this country or even on tv or in hollywood falls down the line liberal or conservative. There are plenty of issues that people straddle and to bitch and moan outright whenever anyone, no matter what their past record is, says something we don't like just seems childish to me.

[beawr]

19. Stupidity and Laziness are not lying

Point One - Americans are intellectually lazy

Point Two - Americans are undereducated

Point Three - Americans are frightened

Point Four - Television is the stupidest part of America



So, I have to say that the View Vixens weren't lying, they were just being a mirror.

[mrgorth]

21. I posted this post

to every Dean list I'm on. I hope the campaign calls them.

[eileen_d]

24. Ugh - I agree that's terrible

I usually think it's not worth the effort to try to influence moronic shows like that. However, in this case, I want to add to (hopefully) a torrent of folks calling bullshit. Thanks for the heads up.

[Blue_Roses]

25. You obviously didn't see the entire segment

While they were discussing Gore's endorsement, Star was advocating for Gore. Her last sentence after repeating what the PRESS was saying was that maybe Gore endorsed Dean solely because he thinks he is the best candidate to win. Star Jones is a die-hard Democrat who LOVES Al Gore. They are good friends and he thinks alot of her too.

While I agree that Bill Ghetti, the executive producer, is a die-hard republican, they still air their views and Joy is one of the most out-spoken ones on the war. She takes a huge stand against it. I don't always agree with them and I even email them to voice it, but this time I really think they were just expressing the views of all the others who have spoken before them.

And as for the "blond," she's the new co-host, survivor's own Elizabeth Hasselbeck--now she is dumber than a rock and a republican suck-up as well.

Meredith is usually very fair and takes the high road instead of jumping on the bashing bandwagon--no matter who it is--that is unless it's pretty bad.

[Lorien]

28. Nope, I didn't see the whole thing

I walked in on it-listened, and turned it off in disgust. Like I said, I've only seen the show a few times. Last time I heard Joy making Clinton jokes and Star apologizing for Bush on God knows what issue. Joy DID repeat the "unelectable" "extremist" "far left" meme, which was what I so strongly object to. I didn't hear her say "people are saying he's..." but "Dean is seen as unelectable because he's..." that's stating something as a fact, IMHO.Repeat it enough, and people start accepting it just like the "Al Gore is a habitual liar" meme. We have to set the record straight.

Since you are a regular viewer of the program, perhaps you can let us know if they actually do talk about Dean's record and his moderate stand someday.

[rakdaddy]

31. My letter to the View

(Sidenote: Jebus, but they don't make it easy to fire off email to these ladies. You'd think the Liberal Media would make it easy for us to send 'em feedback. Oh, right. *What* Liberal Media?)

After hearing your discussion about Howard Dean, I had to write to set the record straight. Howard Dean is anything *but* an extreme lefty. Governor Dean has balanced Vermont's budget for eleven years in a row while our supposedly conservative President has cranked our national deficit up to record levels. Governor Dean made sure everyone in Vermont under the age of 18 has health coverage while the President has yanked funding from programs to help kids. Governor Dean made sure Vermont had enough open space and clean water for future generations while the President has done everything in his power to cut down forests and give polluters free license to spoil our water supply. Governor Dean is building a movement of hope and renewal for America; if that makes him an extreme lefty, then sign me the heck up.

[Lorien]

33. Excellent!

the sooner we nip the "far left liberal Dean" crap in the bud, the better. We need to call the "liberul media" on this every time it's uttered. It's another attempt to push mainstream America further to the Neocon right, IMO. What the heck would they call Kucinich, I wonder?

[mrgorth]

34. DFA has been notified.

[robbedvoter]

36. Regardless of my candidates preference and feelings?

No dear. Dean is unelectable. The bimbos have it. No letter from me. Ask Al Bore to write - he's been such a leader these past 3 years!
The Rove media machine has been giving your guy a free ride - see how it feels from were we sit!

[grasswire]

37. Baba Wawa wasn't there?

She's the only one whose opinion would be informed and interesting.

[killbotfactory]

38. Those extreme lefties who balance the budget, cut taxes, and make sure...

All kids have health insurance.

Morans.

[SeattleRob]

39. Good work!

We all have to be vigilant in not allowing media to get away with lies and distortion.

[tinrobot]

40. I heard this same thing...

..on MSNBC this morning... that they're endorsing Dean so the Dems will lose in '04, clearing the way for Hillary in '08.

Think about the logic of that for a second...

Do you really think the DNC actually wants to lose the White House on purpose? Plus, if Hillary and the DNC are that desperate, why did she just go on the Sunday shows this weekend to slam Bush's policies? If they're so keen on Dean getting the nod and losing in '04, why aren't they endorsing him now? This argument simply does NOT hold water. These people are spewing garbage.

Makes me sick.

[PatrickS]

41. A bunch of harpies

Those women are an embarrassement. I work at home and it's usually the only thing that's "live" on TV (aside from the all news networks, which I don't watch) and I watch it from time to time and those women are total media whores. They don't want to be Dixie Chicked and have started to become less democratic than they were a couple of years ago. It's so transparent that it's embarrassing.

Today, Joy called Gore's decision to support Dean something like the titanic. If she was so open-minded, she wouldn't have said that. BTW, Joy claims she's an independent. She also had a party last summer for John Kerry at her place in the Hamptons. Sour grapes, Joy?

Star is a Republican except for one thing: she african-american and she can't see herself voting Repuke. But everything else about her is 100% Republican.

As for Meredith, she trashed Bill so often and said she hated him so much that she's not much of a democrat. I don't care much for Billary but I wouldn't have voiced my hatred of him (and indirectly, at Hillary too) that much and for so long.

Those women are twits.