Anyone a little indignant that they're calling the race for Dean?

[alexwcovington]

Is it too early?

[SahaleArm]

1. No Dean has won and should stop campaigning

:evilgrin:

[alexwcovington]

2. lol

[JohnKleeb]

3. Dude of course its too early

We havent even had a single primary yet, and people are already declaring victory, it makes one very sad and pissy, and believe me get me in the wrong mood, I can get pissy, and sad because its like basically telling me to give it up, and you know what, I wont, because this is my fight as much as Dean or yours. I am determined as ever to push the fight for DK and progressive ideals. Oh yes it is annoying me if you must know, I am sorry people but gloat if you must after a primary happens, I admit my candiate has a slim chance but a chance is a chance, and I am willing to take a chance.

[alexwcovington]

8. Good for you

Depending on how the caucuses are structured I may swing my vote a little, mix it up if there's a shoo-in...

[JohnKleeb]

14. I am a stubborn sob and I am not afraid to admit it

I wont be voting sadly but damnit I can influence people :D, it annoys me no offense, they cant just go declaring victory before nothing even happens, it stings, they can gloat after they win primaries then I might understand, but the candiates all have the same chance, I cant wait to do a booyah after Iowa honest, sigh all I think will be good in the end I guess, its just :shrug:

[Myra]

18. Well said JohnKleeb.

Much appreciated.

[JohnKleeb]

19. Thanks

Its upsetting to people like me, that people have to be so cocky and are gloating over something that hasnt happened. BTW I posted a thread on this too if anyone wants to take a look, they should, I could had been a lot nastier but thats not my way, I dont like people declaring victory that never was. Sigh, I think all will be ok though.

[bearfartinthewoods]

20. not just telling us to give it up...telling us we don't count

....only the money counts. once again the all mightly dollars picks the winner and it will go on and on because no way can Dean, if he should win, put forth meaningful campaign reform now.

[JohnKleeb]

22. That too bear

Yep I saw the money thing the other day, a wise man once told me it was all about green, and he seems to have been right, it was my grandfather who said that. Yeah that too, but we do count bear, we do!, this is our fight to kick out that arrogant sob Bush just as it is mine, yours, Dean, Kucinich, your candiate, and all of us. I dont like money being why things are. Sigh it is all about green it seems I guess.

[roguevalley]

44. The last person who told us who we had to have inspite of casting votes

gave us bush. To me, given Brazille's comments on the
boob tube telling the other eight to quit, there is no
difference.

[AnnitaR]

4. Can't even describe how bad it's annoying me!

Not ONE vote has been cast and the race is over?!?!

Sure, Dean is the "front-runner" I don't dispute that at this point. However, to basically tell us all that he's our nominee is ticking me off. To discount Clark's (and maybe even Geps) campaign at this point is premature.

I also don't think this is good for Dean either. Perceived arrogance never bodes well for a candidate.

[dfong63]

11. if you find this so objectionable, then go count the threads where

... where Clark supporters declare over and over that "DEAN CAN'T WIN" and "ONLY CLARK CAN WIN". why is their continual "calling the race" against Dean any worse than some pundit calling the race *for* Dean???

[SahaleArm]

12. Hey pot meet kettle *nm*

[dfong63]

5. big hint: some of those "theys" that are calling the race,

... are NOT Dean supporters to begin with, and would be happy to be proved "wrong". they're hedging their bets - if Dean wins, they can say "I told you so"; or if their divisive "predictions" contribute to Dean's downfall, or weaken dems in general - nothing would make them happier.

[alexwcovington]

6. Good point...

damn subversives...

[SahaleArm]

9. Too much TV news causes brain rot...

[dfong63]

7. also, it's funny to hear Clark supporters get indignant about this,

... since they've been "calling" the race AGAINST Dean since day one, chanting over and over again that "Dean can't win", and "only Clark can win".

[JohnKleeb]

10. I dont like the meme I've seen with the Clark ones either

believe me, that has annoyed me just as much as the Dean ones.

[dfong63]

15. yeah, i for one think it's still a race.

Clark can't be counted out yet, for sure. and even if one or more of the candidates CAN be counted out - declaring that fact is a sure-fire way to piss off their supporters. oh wait a minute - could that be the real intention? :)

[JohnKleeb]

17. I dont like it when anyone does it

let they be for Dean or Clark. How about you win a primary, then brag in my face sigh. Sorry its just this brought out my inner anger at people for basically telling me to run along basically.

[poskonig]

32. You got that right.

The Clarkies' "help is on the way" crap has been somewhat insulting from day one, though I don't make voting decisions based on annoying DUers. :+

[TexasEditor]

13. Some lame posts here.

Dean has the momentum... his organization, his volunteers, everything. None of the other candidates -- noble as they may be -- has a shot at beating Bush. He earned Gore's endorsement.

As someone who supports Al Gore, our last elected President, I've been waiting to see who would become the leader.

Stick to your ideals, but remember... we've got to get that idiot out of the White House.

[JohnKleeb]

16. There hasnt been a single primary yet

After you win some, then you can gloat. Damn right I am gonna stick to my ideals and try to get the sob out of the white house.

[Padraig18]

21. As a Dean supporter...

I'm not indignant, but I think it's rather silly to be calling it for Dean just yet. While there's little doubt now that Dean is the clear frontrunner and the candidate with the most momentum, not a single vote has been cast. Should Dean win both IA and NH convincingly, and then win SC, I would at that point say that his momentum has approached unstopable.

[JohnKleeb]

23. Yeah after you WIN primaries then you can gloat

Until then if you gloat I will kick your ass ;), kidding I am peaceful........if you dont push me lol, thanks for understanding this padrig, thats a good endorsement by Gore but is it sealed, god no its not sealed.

[MercutioATC]

25. Agreed. I'm not indignant, but it's way too early.

I've never said that Dean has it in the bag, nor have I said that another candidate has NO chance. At this stage, there is no way to call it decisively.

[mikehiggins]

24. Not too early

Just a little mistaken, is all.

What happens if Dean does not completely "blow out" NH?

Any legitimate showing by Clark will rock the Dean juggernaut because of the year long advantage in campaigning, the overly hyped bank account and, now, the high pressure endorsements racked up by the Governor.

Add to that the recent press shutdown of even mentions of Clark's name and the dismissal of his chances on all of the cable networks.

If Clark comes in third, after all of that, the image of Dean's momentum will be up for review. If Clark comes in second, even a distant second, in the face of all that, it wlll be interesting, to say the least.

Of course, the difference between the real primaries and the media primary is that in a real primary, people vote. In the media primary, people talk. Its a big difference.

[sujan]

26. Kucinich will win the nomination and the presidency

Oh yes, he will....

Muhahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

[sendero]

27. I wouldn't worry...

... too much about what this or that pundit says.

The mass-challenged lady has not sung yet. I've been annoyed from the start at folks who claim to have a crystal ball, to wit "he can't beat Bush*" or "he only has the base, the swing won't go for him" or "he's too close to the military".

All you have to do is look at the past to see that one simple little event can change a race completely and utterly.

Is Dean the front-runner? Of course. Is the nomination his? Probably, but folks who think they can call a political race are about like the ones who think they can call the outcome of a sporting event. Lots of them wind up in GA :)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

28. I'm a Dean supporter, but still indignant

because it is dangerous to be called the winner before any primaries have come. Some people will think that Dean is the one who is saying this, and will be turned off. Some Dean people will stop working hard, and that will be bad, too. No, its still a race, and will be until after quite a few primaries have come and gone. I just hope Dean's forces keep up the momentum and don't slack off, and that people aren't turned off by what the media says.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. Yes. Bad, arrogant and presumptive move on their part. n/t

[Ksec]

30. media is great at choosing who we vote for

Look how they villified Kucinich before people even had a chance to look at him. Now the corporate run media are pushing Dean because they know he cant beat Bush. I dont understand how you people dont see this?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

31. a little? A LOT! It's like Florida all over again.

Fortunately there's still time to change things.

[CWebster]

33. Yes, Dean should renounce Gore's endorsement

and tell everybody that he hasn't got a shot.

:eyes:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

35. Gore is the culprit here

not Dean.

[CWebster]

37. Don't be fucking ridiculous.

Gore has every right to support or endorse whoever he chooses. The volume of this whining is pathetic.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

39. No. At this juncture Gore's endorsement is pathetic and ridiculous

If he had done this 8 or 9 months ago it would have shown courage.
At this point in time it's just bandwagon jumping and disappointing to anyone who looked up to Gore as a leader.

[Padraig18]

40. Another point of view:

This could also be Al Gore's way of 'clueing' certain elements within the party to how important he believes early unity to be, given the daunting task that's ahead of us next November--- defeating *.

[Hep]

41. Why bother?

You knew this was going to happen. Dean gets a big endorsement. People who hate Dean STILL hate Dean. This is a surprise?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

46. Sorry but so close to the primary

it's a huge turnoff. The timing was horrible.

[roguevalley]

47. Gore should have waited. He should have shown respect for all nine of

them by allowing the process to happen. If its so damned
inevitable that Dean is going to win, then let him. Right
now it brings back memories of Florida.

Gore isn't an ordinary man making an endorsement. The fact
that it is a formal endorsement means the transfer of power
and support.

All the former presidents and vice presidents should sit
on their mouths for a while. Everyone who is sick of bush
in this country will vote against him. To have the choice
of who that is decided before even one vote is cast is
nothing short of bush and the court all over again. You can
polish that cow flop all you want with spin but it still
will smell.

That is what bothers most of us. Not that Dean has advantages.
He had them yesterday too. What bothers me is the statements
and such that its over, the others need to go and we should all
get behind Dean. Right now, I don't think I can. I can't tell
you how aggravated and disappointed I am with this.

I forgot just how bad the despair of 2000 felt until today.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

48. Well said.

It's hard to refute what you say.

[meow mix]

50. tow the line

see how anytime any has a concern, and they voice it.. you call them whiner?
haha
sounds just like rush. really lame.

[HFishbine]

45. The Media is the culprit, not Gore

It's more of the same from the corporate media. I don't like it anymore than when they painted the war as inevitable, and I'm a Dean supporter.

The enemy on this issue is, once again, the myopic self-serving media.

[mmonk]

34. Yes

but the candidates, more so.

[Le Taz Hot]

36. As a Dean supporter,

yes. Did Gore's endorsement help the Dean campaign tremendously? Yep. Did it kill anyone else's? Probably Lieberman's but then again, Lieberman's campaign has never really taken off.

I can't get over all this doom-and-gloom around here. Since when do we let the pundits do our thinking? Come on, people, get a grip and get back to work! We STILL need a Democrat in the White House.

[Loonman]

38. What, like Kucinich or Sharpton is going to come from behind?

As if.

Dean didn't even need a Gore endorsement to help get the nomination.

[goobergunch]

42. It is too early IMHO (n/t)

[tnlefty]

43. Yep and I support Dean

I think that it is too early.

[LuminousX]

49. There is no winning without voting

All that has happened is Dean's campaign picked up a Power-Up, but that doesn't win the game. (I've been playing too many video games lately)

[librechik]

51. No -- the Pukes have a huge advantage cuz they already know

who their candidate is. The advertising and lit is all written! Let's get ours in place ASAP!

This will tick off a lot of people, and since it will be "unofficial" there will be trouble. Chin up, didn't most of us promise ABB? And wouldn't about 8 of the candidates have to go at some point?

I approve of this "selection" because of Dean's organization. Among all the candidates Dean's web machine gives us an edge, nobody can beat it, even Bush!

I promised to support whoever the candidate turns out to be. We seem to have reached a concensus, as unfair as it is. It seems to be Dean, though I will wait awhile to donate. Maybe. It depends on what happens.

Politics is scary and abusive. If I'm going to get raped, I want to get it over quick. But it definitely matters who is raping me. <g>

no flames!

[alexwcovington]

52. kick