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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:06 AM
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Poll question: Will Kerry Apologize?
Will Kerry apologize or not or will he just apologize for the use of profanity?
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:08 AM
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1. Apologize for what?
It isn't Kerry's fault that George W. Bush called a reporter an as*hole during Campaign 2000.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 07:17 AM
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14. If anyone ought to apologize, it is Bush!
Bush is the one that should apologize for lying about WMD and for getting so many people killed for nothing.

I wish Kerry would say "fuck" more often in conjuction with Bush's name!
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:10 AM
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2. By Webster's Definition
He didn't use profanity.

Words are not inherently profane.

Profane: 1 : to treat (something sacred) with abuse, irreverence, or contempt : DESECRATE
2 : to debase by a wrong, unworthy, or vulgar use


He did not treat something sacred with abuse, irreverence or contemp.

He did not use "Fuck" in a wrong, unworthy, or vulgar use.

No Need to Apologize for something he didn't do.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:22 AM
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3. I hope he doesn't.
His comment was right on.

Julie
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:28 AM
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4. What did Kerry say?
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:30 AM
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5. He said


FUCK
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:32 AM
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6. More specifically
Concerning Iraq, he said,

"Did I expect George Bush to fuck it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did."

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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:33 AM
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8. I see, his quote was spot on
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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:37 AM
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34. "Fuck" is fine on a message boad like this.
NOT on the campaign trail for PRESIDENT. Am I supposed to tell my kids that they should admire a man who spews profanity when he knows he's on camera? An off-the record curse word caught by the mikes then the candidate thinks nobody's looking is okay - it even humanizes him. Using it when you know you're on tape corasens the dialogue. It's an embarrassment. I have always liked Kerry, and I'm pretty disappointed in him. Isn't this the guy who said "Dean is imploding all the time"? Who's imploding now?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:54 AM
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38. Bush's Iraq adventure is the worst thing I have ever seen in my life
It's the worst thing that's happened to this country and its reputation. Hold nothing back.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:31 PM
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43. Spews ?
Now that is really a dirty word.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:32 AM
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7. It what way?
Did he say "Fuck you!"? or just said "fuck", or was it "Bush is a fucking moron." or in some other way, I want the quote in context to get a full idea of what he said and what he would be apologizing for exactly if he did.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:34 AM
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9. Maybe
He'll either say he should have been more cautious with his words or say there just isn't any other word to describe how badly Bush failed. I'm leaning towards apology, but wishing he wouldn't. Mostly because I'm tired of living in this pompous little society while a foulness much worse than the word fuck permeates. Whichever, it's out there and was great fun for a weekend.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 06:59 AM
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11. He has no reason to appologize.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 07:14 AM
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13. It's a foul word
People usually apologize for using a foul word in an inappropriate setting. It isn't appropriate in an interview.

Except I don't think there's another word to really describe the disaster Bush has caused with our friends, the UN, the American people and mostly, of course, Iraq.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 06:58 AM
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10. no
for what, telling the truth. I'm betting most folks have used that exact word to describe what bush* is doing in Iraq among other things.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 07:01 AM
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12. Kerry's already said that the Bushies should occupy themsevles
with more important issues
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 07:22 AM
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15. he already issued a statement in which he said he would NOT
apologize.
I don't have a link but I'm sure someone else can provide one.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:04 AM
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16. For what? He didn't do anything wrong
I totally agree with what he said.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:06 AM
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17. He made a comeback to Monkey Business
Said they could have wrote the Pulitzer for Fiction :D.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:14 AM
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18. Not a Kerry fan...
... but I hope he sticks to his guns here. He did nothing wrong. It's time for Americans to grow the fuck up.

If "profanity" isn't appropriate to describe this horror, in what context it would be appropriate?

The more the WH tries to make an issue of this non-event, the happier I get. Best political advertising money can't buy :evilgrin:
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:48 AM
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19. Absolutely NOT!
Edited on Mon Dec-08-03 08:50 AM by MarianJack
Politically, it could be the worst thing for a candidate to do when he is now trying to get the attention of a party membership that is DESPERATE for somebody to stand up to the F*** up in chief.

Also, he needs to continue pointing out that the bushies need to clean up their own mess.

We, as a party need to communicate to the rethuglicans that we're willing to use some of the negative things about their boy if they get nasty with our boy(or girl if CMB gets the nod!). I believe that bush sr.'s infidelities and the possible Clinton use of them were the reason why they didn't attack Clinton as a cheating spouse in '92. We have to borrow a page from '92 and show them that we're willing to get as nasty as they are and to allow no negative attack go unanswered for more than 12 hours, less if possible!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:53 AM
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20. Don't we have free speech? Or is that just for Rethugs?
As long as one's not swearing around children or people sensitive to such expressions (although the grandmas I know say "Fuck you, Bush!" when they see his smirking wug on TV), most people are familiar with the term. It's the ideal word when describing what Bush's policies have done to America.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 08:56 AM
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21. Octa, other Kerry supporters, I heard Kerry responded to it saying what
I quoted him as saying.
They could win a Pulitizer for fiction I agree.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 09:11 AM
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24. Thanks, John!
Much obliged! Kerry shows he's well-read. Seeing how he doesn't read newspapers, Bush probably doesn't know what the Pulitzer Prize is. Then again, Kerry did lay the wood down on Bush for failing to read much. The papers didn't think it newsworthy.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 09:33 AM
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28. yeah
There was a thread about it.
Mr. Rove whats a Pulitizer prize, he's probably asking that if he got told the news.
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 09:02 AM
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22. He should apologize-
For not possessing the ability (that most common Americans did) to see through one of the worst liars to ever disgrace public office, especially when it came to matters of potential war.

There are middle-schoolers who saw through Bush's Iraq ruse from day one...yet somehow Kerry couldn't? That's scary.

Even scarier is the fact that he has amazing powers of unobservation, yet feels he deserves an even higher office.

How about apologizing for not screaming bloody murder once it was made public knowledge that Bush led the Senate on with false Niger claims in order to secure their votes???

He should apologize for all of that...will he?





:::hark, the sound of crickets chirping:::
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 09:06 AM
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23. Under no circumstances should he apologize
when bush apologizes to us and the world for killing people - no, I still don't want Kerry to apologoze. Now Card is defending "Saint George" "King George" "Titled George" "Entitled George" bush is nothing but sleaze
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 09:12 AM
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25. He Voiced the Outrage People Keep Asking About
Occasionally there are threads around here asking where's the outrage. KERRY showed some outrage. There it is. It's right there.

His Fraudulency, Shrub, don't LIKE disrespect-----except when he's the one drunkenly calling Al HUNT an asshole in front of wife and kids.

That said, the media whores will raise a chorus of "Tut-tut, lack of decorum, intemperance, desperation, tut-tut..." And they very well could make this into a WELLSTONE Memorial thing.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 09:25 AM
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26. Hell no!
He spoke the truth...Everyone on the planet has either said the word or thought the word. Now I paraphrase Lewis Black: "By the tenets of the Catholic Church if you thought it, you SAID it, asshole!"

Buck Fush
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 09:32 AM
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27. Why should Kerry apoloigize for Bush's fuckups?
I mean seriously, first they blamed his fuckups on Clinton('s penis), now they blame him fucking up in Iraq on Kerry!

When will the fuckup take responsibility for his own actions?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 09:33 AM
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29. No
this controversy will not hurt him with Democratic voters who believe that Bush did fuck up on Iraq, but, imo, so did the senators who voted to give him the authorization to wage war. It was apparent to me that Bush wanted nothing more than to go to war and never took seriously what weaponds inspectors were telling us--that they couldn't find WMD.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:03 AM
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30. No fucking way!
Enough with apologizing.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:11 AM
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31. Why the fuck should he apologize
This is the lamest waste of energy.
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Zolok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:21 AM
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32. No apology no peace in our time...
I'm shocked about this, most DU'ers have been critical of JK's alleged pussyfootin' around. At last he speaks plainly about a matter of common sense and suddenly everyone is up in arms about bad language that gets tossed around freely in every discussion group herein.

I say he should swear some more....a few god-damns and a couple of hell-n-damnations would sound jes' fine by me!

www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:23 AM
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33. Sorry, but apologizing is just not done in politics. . .
it is often interpreted as a sign of weakness.

:evilfrown:
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:46 AM
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35. Maybe he should apologize
for not getting angry earlier than he did. He's right, bush did fuck this up, as he has screwed up almost everything else. Tell 'em Kerry! bush is a fuckup and it's time it was brought to peoples attention. Never apologize!
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:52 AM
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36. No. and why is this an issue?
I just don't get it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 10:53 AM
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37. We should never apologize to Repugs
false displays of outrage is a manipulation tactic used by Repug bullies to keep our guys in line.

ya think the Kerry critics are really that sensitive? (just like the Dean critics re: confiderate flag)

Politicians have said much much worse "clean" things. * needs to apologize for fucking up the economy.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:05 AM
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39. Fuck da White House
HELL NO! Kerry shouldn't have to apologize for jack crapola. An apology should NOT be in order for these scumbags! Let's review:

Do they apologize for all the soldiers KILLED for a war for OIL?
Do they apologize for the LIES about Iraq having WMD's?
Do they apologize for not doing a DAMN thing to prevent 9/11?
Do they apologize for the deficit?
Do they apologize for the piss poor eCONomy?
Do they apologize for the no-bid contracts?
Do they apologize for Bushitler not going to soldiers' funnerals?
Do they apologize for the Pentagon not allowing picture taken of flag-drapped coffins of the soldiers?
Do they apologize for the Patriot Act robbing everyone of basic civil liberties?
Do they apologize for that piece of crap Medicare bill?
Do they apologize for stealing the 2000 election?
Do they apologize for doing all they can to union bust?
Do they apologize for sealing Raygun, Bush I, Clinton AND DUMBya's presidential papers?
Do they apologize for the highest unemployement rate in DECADES?
Do they apologize for the worst job grow SINCE HOOVER?
Do they apologize for Rick Santorum and Strom Turmond and JeSSe Helms?
Do they apologize for kill countless Iraqi and Afgan civilians?
Do they apologize for trying to redistict every last state they can try to?
Do they apologize for recalling Davis "cuz he couldn't balance the California budget"? (I guess it's NOT ok to recall Bush for HIS defict.)
Do they apologize for trying to get rid of affirmative action at U of Mich., A clear cut example of Bushitler and co. playing the race card?
Do they apologize for trying to put Raygun on the dime?
Do they apologize for not putting Kennyboy Lay in jail, as well as the other CEO scum who ripped off countless people's pentions and stocks?
Do they freakin' apologize for ANYTHING?!?!?!?!?

If you selected anything but "NO!" for every question, you need to go back to Freeperville. Every last one of you in the White House: Kiss my ass!

I think Buzzflash.com summed it up best in this headline: "The F***ed Up White House Pink Underpants Prissies: Bush Cartel "Offended" by Kerry Profanity. Didn't Bush Say "F*** Saddam" in Front of Condi? Oh, Those Bush Cartel Hypocrites Just are Too F***ing Much!"

Lu Cifer, F. the damn White House until we put a Democrat in! End of story!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:08 AM
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40. I certainly hope not.... and I don't even particularly like Kerry
I think he is digging his own grave, but no way should he apologize. Why should he apologize to bush for saying he fucked everything up?
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:15 PM
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41. No and he shouldn't, bush* should apologize for his incompetence!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:29 PM
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42. He better not
it was the best thing he's said yet :)
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:32 PM
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44. Fuck no.
I hope not.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:33 PM
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45. Hate to say it. But I predict he will cave.
He has shown more resistance to the opposition of late, and I hope he holds his ground.

If he apologizes he might as well end his campaign at the same press conference.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:34 PM
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46. Why should he?
All he did was speak the truth in plain language.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 12:40 PM
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47. He'd better not!
If he does, I'll lose all respect for him.
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