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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:15 PM
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KERRY would beat Bush like a drum!
John F. Kerry is the Democrat most likely to beat George W. Bush in November 2004. A few reasons Why:

1. Kerry is not corrupted by money or power. He has plenty of both and he is still his own man, fighting for policies that benefit ALL Americans, even at the expense of the wealthy.

2. Kerry is unafraid of dangerous and hard work. He volunteered for Vietnam, not the Texas Air National Guard, and received three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for heroism in combat.

3. Kerry wants to take out Bush Crime Family as much as ANYONE on DU or anywhere. He has stated he would prosecute high-end criminality with an honest attorney general. A good place to start is determining responsibility for 9-11. Can you say, “Saudi Arabia” W?

4. Kerry has a track record of going after the BFEE — from October Surprise to Iran-Contra to Ollie North & CIA Drug Running to BCCI to Iraq-Gate — while in the US Senate. It's all relevant. GOOGLE "Richard Perle" "Adnan Khashoggi" and "Seymour Hersh" for just one recent outrage.

5. Kerry is able to do it, willing to do it and in a position to do to prosecute the BFEE. He knows Who's Who, What's What, and Where the skeletons are buried. As a Massachusetts state attorney, he went after Mafia big wigs, so he knows how to go after criminal conspiracies. You want to ensure that America is protected from another Selection 2000? Vote for John Kerry.

6. Kerry would know what to do as President and as Commander-in-Chief, from Day One. He's proven himself to be a courageous and intelligent combat commander . As a Senator, he's experienced in foreign policy, domestic policy, the workings of government from the Pentagon to Project Head Start. Regarding domestic policy, Kerry is a Liberal with an 18-year Senate track record to prove it.

7. Most importantly: John F. Kerry is the last real Liberal who’s had a chance to win the Presidency since Bobby Kennedy who has the “Credentials” needed to attract voters from the middle and, thus, win the Presidency. Who knows what he can do, given the chance to serve as President.

Those are just a few reasons why Kerry would clobber the sociopathic moron and unelected frauds currently squatting in the White House. I think the majority of all voters would feel the same way if they knew the truth.

Go John Kerry!

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:16 PM
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1. agree
kerry is my candidate.
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tpub Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:18 PM
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2. Yup!
Go Kerry!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:27 AM
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46. Bush Organized Crime Family Fears John Kerry
John Kerry went after the Iran-Contra drug smugglers. Hmm. No wonder Poppy claimed to be "Out of the Loop."

OLLIE NORTH AND DRUGS

By Dennis Bernstein and Howard Levine
From The Texas Observer


EXCERPT...

Though Castillo had been reporting his findings all along, to no avail, a December 1988 report prepared by the Congressional Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations (the Kerry Committee) confirmed Castillo's allegations and concluded: "There was substantial evidence of drug smuggling through the war zones on the part of the individual Contras, Contra pilots, mercenaries who worked with the Contras, and the Contra supporters throughout the region."

The committee, chaired by Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, also found that on March 16, 1987, a plane owned by known drug smugglers was seized by U.S. customs officers after dumping what appeared to be a load of drugs off the Florida coast: "Law enforcement personnel also found an address book aboard the plane, containing among other references the telephone numbers of some Contra officials and the Virginia telephone number of Robert Owen, Oliver North's courier," the committee reported. And on July 28, 1988, DEA agents testifying before Kerry's committee said it was North's idea in 1985 to give the Contras $1.5 million in drug money being used by DEA informant Barry Seal in a sting operation aimed at the drug cartels.

If that wasn't enough to compel investigators to pursue North himself as a drug dealer, Castillo provided them with what should have been the clincher. In a February 14, 1989, memo to Robert Stia, the country attache in Guatemala, Castillo laid out in
minute detail the structure of the Ilopango operation and identified more than two dozen known drug smugglers who
frequented Hangars 4 and 5.

Huge quantities of drugs and guns were being smuggled through Ilopango by mercenary pilots hired by North, Castillo wrote. "Now, all these contract pilots were documented traffickers, Class I cocaine violators that were being hired by the CIA and the Contras," the memo stated. "And the U.S. embassy in El Salvador was giving visas to these people even though they were documented in our computers as being narcotics traffickers."

CONTINUED...

http://www.flashpoints.net/oNorth&Drugs.html

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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:20 PM
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3. Kerry just might pull it off.
He's gotta beat back Dean first. If he can do that, he'll take the WH.
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ChrisNYC Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:21 PM
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4. Thank you
For actually posting why you like Kerry and not why you hate someone else. Wish there was more of that around here.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:50 PM
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18. You're welcome, ChrisNYC!
I appreciate your kind reply. All the Democratic candidates make better presidents than the neo-fascist stooge who thinks Americans are subjects, not citizens. Please excuse me if, here on DU and in person, I vent why I feel some of the Democratic candidates are better than the others.

Kerry (and to a lesser degree Bob Graham and Richard Gephardt, and to a much lesser degree Dennis Kucinich) has experience going after the Bush Organized Crime Family. I've wanted to put their conspiracy of a Secret Government out of power since I learned about what happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:22 PM
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5. he's got my vote
if Dean doesn't win the nomination and Kerry does.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:52 PM
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19. Hey Julie! I DID vote for Jennifer!
Thanks, Julie. And if Dean wins the nom, I'll vote for him and get everyone I can do to likewise.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:24 AM
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35. kick
He's got my vote if Dean doesn't win the primary, and Kerry does.
:dem:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:31 PM
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6. Yeah and don't forget...

Clark or Biden would wipe the floor with Shrub, should they ever make up their minds.

Possible memorable debate moments:

Kerry: "Mr President, unlike you, I know firsthand the horrors of war, and I regret that I voted for that war on the basis of the lies you told Congress and the American people."

Clark: "Mr. President, are you implying I know less than you about national security?"

Biden: "Mr. President, are you implying I know less than you about anything?"







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tpub Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:36 PM
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7. can we have a debate today, please?
I really can't wait any longer! Even I could beat Bush in a debate...
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:51 PM
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51. here's the line I'd like to hear Kerry say
about his vote on the Iraq resolution:

Kerry: "Mr President, unlike you, I know firsthand the horrors of war, and while I don't regret my vote on the Iraq resolution, because I do believe that if Saddam Hussein and Iraq posed an imminent threat to this country, we should use our military to protect our citizens, I do regret that I voted for a resolution that would give YOU the right to use military force against Iraq because you are the most irresponsible President this country has ever seen."

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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:43 PM
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8. Kerry Supportred the Invasion of IRAQ !
Kerry voted to give Chimpie those Kmaynder'n Cheef war powers-
-a blank check
I think Kerry needs to get 'checked'-

If 3 million people protested the war worldwide Feb 15 2003
just tell me why didn't Kerry 'figure 'it out??

No way folks am I supporting a war supporter
--plain and simple--

there are several anti war candidates that
I would support.
for ex:D Dean is against all this un-necessary killing.

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW !!!!
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the_sam Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:52 PM
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9. Yeah, but arguably...
It was because he was misled into thinkin Iraq was much more of a threat than it really was.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 06:31 PM
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25. well how come I knew ?
should I run?
maybe I am more informed than Kerry eh?
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 06:39 PM
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28. Hey - maybe you had already made up your mind not based
on any info or logic - any war is a bad war - heh?
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:41 AM
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32. WRong !
me and 3 million people were just basing our stance
"not based on any info or logic"
???????
That's right 3 million peole marched on feb 15 2003
sure--we just hate "all" wars--no basis--
even if it's our team fighting evil'round the globe like batman !!
Seriously, Invading Foreign Countries is not what we oughta be doing.
This was all based on false claims and misinformation.
Oil-Greed-deception

ALL Lies!!
Wake up!!
Everbody knew !!
WHERE WERE YOU ??
Watching Arron Brown on CNN???

All you late comers have to realize that
"most people" saw right thru this crap from the git.
Kerry was way dumb on this issue.
Please try and inform yourself
Listen to KGO Bernie Ward M-F 10pm pacific
Http://www.kgo.com
Then come back and tell me who knew what when.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:53 AM
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38. My representative in Congress knew
Even before I voted against the resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq, which Congress approved in October 2002, there was plenty of evidence available to anyone who was paying attention that the Administration was misrepresenting the danger posed by Iraq.

I raised red flags about the Administration's arguments prior to the
congressional vote (see: http://defazio.house.gov/iraq.shtml). For example, even if Iraq had active chemical, biological, or nuclear programs, Iraq did not have a delivery system capable of threatening the United States. Iraq's missiles could barely hit its immediate neighbors. Regrettably, the majority of my colleagues chose to ignore the holes in the Administration's arguments and voted to authorize the first ever preventive war.

Pete DeFazio


Apparently, Kerry was not paying attentiion.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:55 PM
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10. Kerry Would Do OK
Although for some reason the press doesn't like him much. (Bad to be a wealthy Democrat, good to be a wealthy Republican? I don't get it.) So we'll have to watch out for that.

I think many Democrats would do well against Bush: Dean and Graham are standouts, I think.
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tpub Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:58 PM
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11. war/press
The war thing has been hashed and rehashed around here, so I won't get into that. But as for the press, I know you'll see a lot more of Kerry in the media after he actually begins to campaign in the fall.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:02 PM
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12. Agreed
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 02:03 PM by HFishbine
I'm liking Dean, but everything you say is true. I'll see where things stand when my primary roles around, but Kerry could get my vote.

You might find it interesting that I had a min-flame war with a republican where the worst he could say about Kerry was, "ask him why we can't build windmills on the east coast. It's because they'll block the view from his wife's mansion."

Brought up Kerry's war record and linked to Bush's "military record" in reply. I haven't heard back...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 04:31 PM
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23. Nixon put Kerry on the "Enemies List"
Your republican respondent may be interested in learning that GOP notables like Richard Nixon and Charles Colson were afraid of John Kerry. From the Globe series:


With antiwar role, high visibility

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff, 6/17/2003

April 28, 1971, 4:33 p.m. President Richard M. Nixon takes a call from his counsel, Charles Colson.

"This fellow Kerry that they had on last week," Colson tells the president, referring to a television appearance by John F. Kerry, a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

"Yeah," Nixon responds.

"He turns out to be really quite a phony," Colson says.

"Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?" Nixon says.

Yes, Colson says in a gossiping vein, telling the president that Kerry stayed at the home of a Georgetown socialite while other protesters slept on the mall.

"He was in Vietnam a total of four months," Colson scoffs, without mentioning that Kerry earned three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star, and a Bronze Star, and had also been on an earlier tour. "He's politically ambitious and just looking for an issue."

"Yeah."

"He came back a hawk and became a dove when he saw the political opportunities," Colson says.

SNIP...

Day after day, according to the tapes and memos, Nixon aides worried that Kerry was a unique, charismatic leader who could undermine support for the war. Other veteran protesters were easier targets, with their long hair, their use of a Viet Cong flag, and in some cases, their calls for overthrowing the US government. Kerry, by contrast, was a neat, well-spoken, highly decorated veteran who seemed to be a clone of former President John F. Kennedy, right down to the military service on a patrol boat.

The White House feared him like no other protester.

Colson, in a secret memo, revealed he had a mission to target Kerry: "Destroy the young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader."

CONTINUED...

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061703.shtml
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the_sam Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:05 PM
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13. He is most likely to beat Bush, but...
He's not what I would call an ideal candidate.

1. Kerry is not corrupted by money or power. He has plenty of both and he is still his own man, fighting for policies that benefit ALL Americans, even at the expense of the wealthy.

Demonstrably not true. First of all, Kerry was born into wealth. He still is wealthy. He is part of this country's ruling class, and won't jeapordize his own class interests. He goes to the same parties, sends his kids to the same schools, etc. as people who just are not very interested in the well-being of working families.

Currently, Kerry has gotten not very much from unions, peace, environmental, or social justice groups. Instead, he's taking money from securities and investment firms, real estate, and the entertainment industries.

Kerry is pro-NAFTA, pro-WTO, pro-FTAA, etc.

2. Kerry is unafraid of dangerous and hard work. He volunteered for Vietnam, not the Texas Air National Guard, and received three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for heroism in combat.

Yes, and that's a big reason why he can beat Bush.


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DavidNY Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:28 PM
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14. Kerry's environmental record is actually very good
I don't know whether Kerry-- or anyone else-- has gotten much _money_ from environmental groups just yet, but he's definitely going to get a lot of support from them if nominated, and with good reason. Kerry's average League of Conservation Voters rating over the last three Congresses is more than 95% (see http://www.capwiz.com/lcv/bio/keyvotes/?id=298&congress=1072&lvl=C ).
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tpub Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:42 PM
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16. welcome, DavidNY!
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DavidNY Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:35 PM
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49. Thanks for the warm welcome...
I'd actually never seen one of those arm-waving smilies before.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:40 PM
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15. There are no "Ideal Candidates"
Everyone out there has some baggage, and can't possibly be all things to all people.

The point is to dump the President-like Object, preferably with a good choice of our own, and whether or not Kerry is my first choice, he does have a damn good chance of beating Shrub and would probably do OK in the job. Certainly better than the pantload we have now. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to vote for him in the general election.

Is Kerry the one to support in the primaries? I'd say he's in the top three so far. We still don't know about Clark or Biden, which will drastically change the picture.





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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 04:01 AM
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40. That's a good point
There will never be a canidate that is 100% clean, free of demons. Likewise, there will never be a canidate that 100% of the entire left/ Democratic party like.
Kerry is the best choice. He's getting my support in the primaries, but if Dean gets it, so be it. ABB.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:43 PM
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17. Kerry is rich, but he wasn't born that way. I
Sure, Mrs. Heinz probably padded the portfolio in the pre-nup. But Kerry was born into a modest, MC home; his dad in the WW2 Army Air Corps. The family is reported to have once had lots of bread, but inheritance laws at the time meant it got dissipated PDQ.

Regarding Kerry being his own man and "taking money from securities and investment firms, real estate, and the entertainment industries": Kerry has accepted individual contributions from people in those industries. He has NEVER ACCEPTED CORPORATE PAC MONEY. Check out opensecrets:

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/summary.asp?ID=N00000245

Regarding his votes on NAFTA, WTO, FTAA: They tick me off more than anything except the Iraq war vote. IMO these votes were made to protect his "political viability," to borrow a phrase.

Regarding sending his kids to private school. Yeh. I imagine to avoid the DC school system, the children were sent to private schools. That's more a factor of fear of criminality in terms of safety and education that Republican policies have created since Reagan. According to the neo-cons, the public schools are the devil's breeding ground because they teach the masses to THINK.

That's why Kerry, as a Senator, has been one of the staunchest defenders of public education — From Head Start to grades K-12 and through college, backing grants, scholarships, New GI Bill and other That's what makes Kerry the real Liberal in this race.

Thanks for your kind reply, the_sam. I agree, in part. And what we don't agree on, I might have learned and remembered something thanks to you.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 06:32 PM
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26. yep he married money
!!
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 06:38 PM
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27. So f'n what? He's got his own
jealous?
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Aaron Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:17 AM
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34. I thought he went to a private swiss boarding school or something?
Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 02:56 PM
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20. Kerry will make a better President than Bush
But that's all I can say in his favor! Hell, even Lieberman would make a better President than Bush.

Nixon would make a better President than Bush!

Is that going to be our campaign slogan in 2004?

Kerry: better than Bush, and as good as Nixon!

Try getting a lot of independent and disillusioned voters to the polls on that rallying cry and see what happens.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:56 PM
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22. Is Reagan As Good As Bush
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:12 PM
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21. I met Kerry before the last presidential election
at a "Biden Seminar". Joe has 2 seminars each year inviting people from the political arena as guest speakers. For example, he's had Richard Holbrooke - brilliant guy - and Bill Richardson - firmest handshake I ever experienced.

Kerry was magnetic. I was impressed by his intelligence, his energy and his charisma - oh and also his sense of humor. He wasn't running, but I wished he would.

LynneSin - I'm sitting here looking at a picture from the flyer of Jack Markell with Christopher Dodd.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 04:46 PM
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24. You're in good company. Look who Kerry's sailing with...
JFK is a real, living link to Camelot and the first JFK.



John Kerry, left, sails with President John F. Kennedy
aboard the 62-foot Coast Guard yawl Manitou in
Narragansett Bay on Aug. 26, 1962.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:23 AM
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42. Kerry is indeed, the real deal--Presidential timber, all 6'4"
Watching Kerry on C-span on two separate occasions--in a small group setting with Veterans and then again in Iowa with Senator Harkin on his Heartland Tour townhall meeting, it was obvious that Kerry connected well with both the Veterans and the Iowa Democrats, answering their questions with eloquence, humor and grace.

Kerry showed much sensitivity to the concerns of the Veterans, and showed remarkable patience with an overwrought veteran who buttonholed him after the Iowa townhall session.

It was obvious to anyone watching that Kerry has the character, the intelligence, the integrity, the toughness, and yes--the real compassion for his fellow man--that W sorely lacks.

Regime Change in '04. Vote John F. Kerry!





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Dr. Mullion Blasto Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:59 PM
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52. Dean -down-to-earth . Kerry - distant and aloof.
I used to think Kerry would be my candidate until I get a better look at him (seems pompous) and, of course, his vote for the war totally turned me off.
The story about the "alternate" medals being tossed was very telling about his character. I think the Repubs would love to run against him and his "anti-war" past.
If he does or doesn't come from money (Swiss boarding school) he has the stink of the super rich about him that I think will prevent him from ever being able to communicate with the "common" people, i.e. "Joe Sixpack."
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reedthompson Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 06:45 PM
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29. Kerry has no chance vs Bush. Clark is THE ONE!
Why anybody thinks John freakin' Kerry has a chance against Bush is beyond me. He has way too much baggage. Kerry is hated. Howard Dean? Can you say "The George McGovern of 2004"? Besides, Dean isn't enough of an alpha male to beat Bush (unfortunately it does matter).

Wesley Clark is THE ONE AND ONLY CHOICE to go against Bush in 2004. WHY CAN'T EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU SEE THIS?!?!?!? It is beyond obvious. Bush would have ZERO chance against Clark. The guy is untouchable. Any other candidate will be attacked as unpatriotic for not supporting Bush's efforts in Iraq. How are you going to call a 4 star General unpatriotic?!?!? And rest assured, Clark is VERY PROGRESSIVE on social and fiscal issues. He is pro-choice, pro-union, pro-affirmative action, pro-universal health care, pro-environment.

A vote for any other Democratic candidate would be a foolishly wasted one.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE people! OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

WESLEY CLARK 2004!!!

Reed Thompson
Seattle, Washington
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:45 AM
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33. Clark is a good man.
The good general has served his country honorably in uniform, there is no doubt about that. Only the best of the best graduate Number One from West Point. If he should be the Democratic nominee, I will support him fully and gladly.

With all DU respect to the general, who recently worked for everybody's Arkansas moneyman Jackson Stephens, John Kerry makes a better political leader. As you may know, Kerry is an accomplished combat veteran, but, unlike the general, chose a career in politics rather than the military.

In addition to being squeaky clean himself, Kerry also is experienced in handling criminal investigations, a skill set that will be much appreciated when rounding up the guilty and traitorious in a REAL 9-11 INVESTIGATION.

As far as being hated goes, not beyond the supporters of certain political rivals. From what I remember, national approval numbers on Kerry are around 66-percent, which is astronomical for a national poltical figure.

Last but not least: A hearty welcome to DU, Reed Thompson! If you want to convince me about Wes Clark, please give it your best shot! I expect and look forward to it!



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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:10 PM
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54. I would go for a Kerry/Clark ticket
maybe that's what the good General is waiting for?
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bigwoody Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 06:50 PM
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30. Kerry/Clark beat Smirk and Frown like the draft dodging pussies they are
:spank:
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swinney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 07:20 PM
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31. john kerry is tough tough
He has intelligence like clinton
He has knowledge in details like clinton
He will counterattack in spades.
He will take no guff from reporters, talk show hosts, or Bushlites.
He is rich.
He has governmental experience in domestic and foreign affairs.

He does not mind saying
"I served,where were you?"

KERRY IS CAPABLE.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:27 AM
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36. Not for Kerry offically but hes emerging as a back up
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:41 AM
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37. No candidate will beat Bush like a drum
and I put Dean in that no candidate list. Barring a third party challenge in the middle or on the right this will be a very close race if we win. Even with Perot, Clinton only won by 6 points (43 to 37 to 19). I would love a Democratic landslide but no way no how. Clinton's win would translate to a 53 to 47 win which would be better than any Democrat save FDR and LBJ. I think we won't do that well now. My guess is a Carter type win 51 to 49 or a Kennedy type 49 to 49 to 2. Those aren't beating anyone like a drum.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:43 AM
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41. Thanks for the info, disc. You may be right...
Sure, Dean and Kerry might have a harder time of it. My point is Kerry would do a better job — I believe considerably better. And if Kerry can get his message out — without it being tainted by his "friends" on DU and elsewhere — the American people of all political stripes and from all regions of the country will step up and vote for John Kerry.

Historically, the DEMs have had a hard time of making their case. But my cobwebbed neurons shine that Clinton was damaged goods in '92 and '96. Remember, Poppy Bush's strategery was to blow up Bill as a draft-dodging, pot-smoking, Russia-travelling, Jennifer Flowers jumping weasel. In '96 they added Hillary manipulated to the mix. It worked pretty good for everybody except that sub-50-percent Democratic base.

Remember in '92: The candidate Poppy Bush feared then was Bob Kerrey, the other homonymic Vietnam Veteran Hero Senator who won the Medal of Honor and lost part of his leg as a USN Seal CO. Kerrey, like Cuomo, hemmed and hawed before deciding to throw his hat in the ring. By the time Bob Kerrey got some steam built up, most of the DEM money folk had locked in on Clinton. No money, no TV. No commercials, nobody cared.

So what's different about this Kerry? This guy doesn't have Bill's "baggage." He's got a record of doing the right thing. And people like him. He's got deep pockets and has what it takes to get them filled. That 19-percent that went to Perot will like the idea of someone who's "Big Picture." The GOP base will like the idea of someone who's served the nation as a true hero and as an honest broker.

Please know I really appreciate you reasoned replies, dsc. As always, you've given me new stuff to consider. I'll try not to go into spin-cycle automatically. Thanks, DU Friend dsc!

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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 03:14 AM
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39. Octafish......
......I think that you just pointed out the winning formula......I only hope that he is willing to appt. a few of his fellow contenders to policy level positions.......I believe that he will.....That was a very good summation of Kerrys strengths......I hope that the Iraqi resolution will not sway too many away from him.......I'm in agreement that starting from day one Kerry will begin dismantelling and investigating the Fascist Bush Cabal.....Politics at the executive level is a mix of all things good as well as bad within our system......Kerry has the record to demonstarte his abilities......You are correct in stating the similarities to Bobby Kennedy......
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:26 AM
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43. Is Kerry going to *bore* people into voting Democratic?
Okay, okay, that was over the top....

:)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:16 AM
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44. Thanks for pointing out a common misperception, poskonig.
Don't worry about shots over the top or below the belt. If they're aimed at Bushler, even better.

Here's my 2 ¢ worth: Thanks to years of Reagan and Poppy and now Smirko, many Americans can only pay attention for the length of time a beer commercial with two fighting silicone-implantees in wet T-shirts runs. That is a problem, of sorts, that must be overcome.

Especially Kerry supporters, who must discuss the candidate with some people who have heard Kerry is boring because he can speak at length and in detail. Of course, when they get a chance to hear Kerry's message, those with attention spans longer than a Super Bowl commercial will discover exactly what Kerry thinks and plans to do about the issues of the day and where he intends on leading the nation.

Perhaps we can put our noggins together and help him phrase things in a catchy, sound-bite friendly way. First thing I'd suggest is getting endorsements from those two fighting silicone-implanted fighters in wet T-shirts. I get dibs on volunteering for that assignment.
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:31 AM
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48. The few times I've seen Kerry, he's anything but boring.
I would even call him charismatic. His stump speeches leave a lot to be desired, but when he's talking off the cuff, he's captivating.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:19 AM
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45. Kerry/Clark in 2004!!!
:thumbsup:
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Trek234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:29 AM
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47. Hmmm
"1. Kerry is not corrupted by money or power. He has plenty of both and he is still his own man, fighting for policies that benefit ALL Americans, even at the expense of the wealthy."

If he is going to run for president this statement won't be true for very long. (and I'm giving it to you that it is)

"2. Kerry is unafraid of dangerous and hard work. He volunteered for Vietnam, not the Texas Air National Guard, and received three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for heroism in combat."

This is a moot issue. Bush has NOTHING on military experience. Therefore any dem candidate that didn't desert has a one up on him.

"3. Kerry wants to take out Bush Crime Family as much as ANYONE on DU or anywhere. He has stated he would prosecute high-end criminality with an honest attorney general. A good place to start is determining responsibility for 9-11. Can you say, “Saudi Arabia” W?"

Ohhhh good! So now we can look forward to a war with Saudi Arabia and a draft? Gee I sure hope the republicans don't bring that up.

"4. Kerry has a track record of going after the BFEE — from October Surprise to Iran-Contra to Ollie North & CIA Drug Running to BCCI to Iraq-Gate — while in the US Senate. It's all relevant. GOOGLE "Richard Perle" "Adnan Khashoggi" and "Seymour Hersh" for just one recent outrage."

This is nothing spectacular. If he actually accomplished anything (which he did not or the BFEE would not be in power right now) then it would be worth something.

"5. Kerry is able to do it, willing to do it and in a position to do to prosecute the BFEE. He knows Who's Who, What's What, and Where the skeletons are buried. As a Massachusetts state attorney, he went after Mafia big wigs, so he knows how to go after criminal conspiracies. You want to ensure that America is protected from another Selection 2000? Vote for John Kerry."

How is he going to protect against another selection 2000 before he is in power? Yes, I'm sure with all three branches of the federal government in republican hands he will be able to single handidly do so before he is even elected.

"6. Kerry would know what to do as President and as Commander-in-Chief, from Day One. He's proven himself to be a courageous and intelligent combat commander . As a Senator, he's experienced in foreign policy, domestic policy, the workings of government from the Pentagon to Project Head Start. Regarding domestic policy, Kerry is a Liberal with an 18-year Senate track record to prove it."

He'd be another Clinton. Wouldn't be bad.

"7. Most importantly: John F. Kerry is the last real Liberal who’s had a chance to win the Presidency since Bobby Kennedy who has the “Credentials” needed to attract voters from the middle and, thus, win the Presidency. Who knows what he can do, given the chance to serve as President."

A recipe for failure. Middle of the road... Yes, that will get us the white house. Just like it got us the congress in 2002.
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sidwill Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:40 PM
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50. Agreed!
I would love to see a Kerry vs. Bush debate, he would make shrub look like the anti-intellectual, simian mongrel that he is.

I love all the Dem candidates (even holy Joe has been attacking shrub of late) but Kerry has the best chance. He is the Repukes worst nightmare.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 01:07 PM
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53. "KERRY would beat Bush like a drum!"
So would Otis the town drunk if we do things right here. I really like the way all 9 candidates are hitting Bush each in different directions. That alone has to keep Rove off balance. The Dems have everything from a complete dove, to another who is to the right of Bush on war. Has to mess them Repugs up.

Don

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