What if Rush "really" found Jesus and became a Liberal?

[Bandit]

Could we forgive him? I believe in virtually everything Jesus said about how to live one's life. At least everything that isn't directly religious. I believe completely in forgiveness but I am not sure I could find it in my heart to ever forgive Rush for all the pain he has caused. I feel bad I even feel this way but the only man on the face of the earth I actually feel hatred for is Rush Limbough and I doubt I could ever forgive him. Maybe with time but...............

[JailBush]

1. Sure, if he wants to EARN forgiveness.

If Rush starts blasting George W. Bush, I'll consider taking back some of the things I've said about him. But I won't support him if becomes totally partisan and doesn't blast corrupt Democrats. I want a square shooter who tells it like it is.

[southerngirlwriter]

2. As a sincere Christian....

....I believe I have to forgive everyone. I have forgiven two people who committed sexual assault against me, and one person who murdered someone I loved.

It wasn't easy. It sucked. It took time, soul-searching, prayer, and professional counseling.

But I have honestly forgiven them. I have been in the same room with two of these people a couple of times, and there's no undercurrent of hatred. There's no need to hold myself back from choking them. It's okay.

The best definition of forgiveness I've ever heard is, "I give up my right to get even with you."

Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who tresspass against us.

It hurts. But it's necessary to be truly free, and for Christians, to truly walk in obedience to Jesus.

So, yes, I could forgive Rush.

[Terwilliger]

3. his only reconciliation would be to speak against all the crap he's spewed

for 12 years...when he gets with the program he'll get some respect

[jpgray]

4. You speak for me (nt)

[Beaker]

5. I'd be more concened about all those airborne swine filling the skies...

Besides, I think that Satan has a "No Return" policy written into contracts...and rush sold his soul a long time ago.

[Bandit]

7. Not to mention the monkeys

:evilgrin:

[mlawson]

6. He would have to have a bodyguard, against the RW!!! n/t

[MoonAndSun]

8. I would not believe anything that came out of the pigboy's lips

absolutely not!

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. I'm not sure Rush has a soul to be saved, but it might be interesting ....

...to see what happens if he joins Narcotics Anonymous or any similar 12 step groups. Not a member of any of them myself, but it's my understanding that one of the key "steps" in recovery is making amends to those who have hurt through the course of your addiction. Well, in Limpdick's case, that's about 300 million people he's gotta ask to forgive him.

As far as Christian repentance goes, remember what Jesus always said to those who asked Him for forgiveness.... Go and sin no more. That being the case, if Rush truly repented of his sins and dropped his daily hate propaganda show, and his account was cleared with God, then who would I be to judge the man?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

10. I've seen things like that happen

Back in graduate school, I knew a libertarian (of the aristocratic "let 'em eat cake" variety) who became a liberal after her conversion to Christianity.

[knight_of_the_star]

11. I wouldn't

until all his Karma caught up with him. And considering the amount of vitriol he's spewed, that is going to take a while.

[eleny]

12. He'd have to ask for forgiveness first

And that's just for starters.

[Cheswick2.0]

13. If I were positive his conversion and remorse were genuine

and if he made amends I would forgive him. I don't see it happening though and I don't think his recovery will be complete because of his inability to face what he is. He still thinks he had a little problem with legal perscription drugs and hurt no one. He doesn't understand why he is being investigated for money laundering. He is pathetic.

[supernova]

14. Exactly Cheswick

I would have to forgive him based on whether or not he would be sincere in his desire for reconcilliation with the rest of us mere mortals.

But, 12-steppin ain't easy, especially that part about making amends with people you have hurt. Good luck with that, Rush.

[Cheswick2.0]

17. Sadly I don't see any evidence that he has considered the people he hurt.

I doubt he has ever considered the friends and family he hurt, much less the pharmacists who were robbed and possibly killed so he could get his drugs on the street. Sad, sad sad!

[supernova]

18. Or the possibly ruined MD reps

of trying to obtain multiple scripts from different docs. Docs themselves can be jailed for knowingly over-proscribing level 2 meds like Oxy.

[salinen]

16. You mean instead of

holding up liquor stores for a fix? No. Forgiveness is for people who have caused offenses to very few, for a short while, and mostly to themselves. Some should never be forgiven (my opinion)

- hitler
- stalin
- pol pot
- gacy
- mengele
- *
- my mother-in-law

[Cheswick2.0]

22. salinen... anyone who truly repents (old word but useful)

should be forgiven in my book. Rush is a total asshole but he isn't Stalin or even your mother in law.
I think where you are getting hung up is in being able to believe he was genuine in his remorse. But that is okay, I understand. I just do not have that choice. I have begged forgiveness for mistakes I made. I was granted forgiveness. How can I do any less for someone else?

I am not a pushover. I have an abuser in my life who has asked my forgivness but shown no remorse or even understanding of what he did to me. What he means when he says "forgive me" is that he can't stand to have anyone understand he is not the charming Saint he likes to portray himself as. He is not sorry he hurt me or my children. When he can come to me and tell me what he did was wrong and why then I will forgive him. In the meantime I pray for him and his growth as a human being.

[yellowcanine]

15. What if Dubya starts telling the truth?

We can speculate about all kinds of improbable scenarios.

Fox News takes its lips off Bush's butt.
Tom Delay decides to play by the rules.
The Bush EPA decides to base its decisions on real science.
Jerry Falwell decides to follow the teachings of Jesus....

You get the idea.

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. It would probably be similar to Paul's conversion in Damascus

I know some on this board have commented that Paul stole Christianity and twisted it to his own ends, and a case could be made for that. Actually, Peter and the other Apostles were very suspicious of him at the time, since Paul's previous job description wasn't that far from Rush's , minus the airwaves. Destroy Christianity. Stop these traitorous freaks who dare to believe in something that deviates from Pharisee Judaism

Replace Christianity with Liberalism and Pharisee Judaism with Right Wing Conservatism and you have very similar stories (DISCLAIMER: no slam against Judaism overall intended - just the historical Pharisees, who were the "religious right" of the era)

And a sudden conversion of Limbaugh to Liberalism would probably be treated with the same suspicion for the same reason. As I said, 2000 years later, some are still suspicious of Paul. As I said in the other post above, I would have to see evidence of some genuine repentance before I would believe Rush.

On the other hand, look at Wesley Clark. His Republican background is far from a secret, but he's gaining wide acceptance from many as a "born again Democrat" and could very well be the next President or Vice President of the United States.

Anyway, I'll stop my random ramblings on the subject now :evilgrin:

[calimary]

25. Holy Smokes what a great post! (Pardon the pun!)

I've believed for a long long time that the republi-CONS are indeed latter-day Pharisees. It's sad to see how far we have NOT come in 2,000 years. I bet there would be legions of people who wouldn't trust him. I also suspect there would be many who would forgive. Can't get too far away from the teachings of that guy who's nicknamed "The Prince of Peace."

As for me, I know I'm supposed to forgive, too. I know that's what the teachings of everybody worthwhile from Christ to the Tao say to do. I sure try to follow. But it's hard. It'd be REALLY hard in Rush's case. I'd hope I could get beyond it all. But those who point out that a key part of the 12-step program is making reparations to those you've hurt - I think that would be nearly impossible for him to confront, no less admit to. I'm sguessing that, in his own mind, he thinks he's doing something really righteous. So having done great injury to hundreds of millions of Americans whose minds were twisted directly by him and/or were adversely affected by those who took on his beliefs... I dunno...

[JohnLocke]

20. Well, if he truly repented...

..Hey, we forgave Brock.

[AlFrankenFan]

21. Hell would freeze over

But I can't forgive people. I've forgiven my father once, but as human nature dictates, he only lied again and hurt me even more. Could never forgive him, not for all he's done. Rush doesn't deserve my respect.

[karlschneider]

23. If he had an epiphany like David Brock, I'd give it some thought.

...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. If $400,000.00 of oxycontin couldn't do it, I doubt Jesus could.

Being a liberal requires a soul. Rush is noticably deficient in that area.

[alcuno]

26. Let him seek forgiveness from God, because he's not getting it from me.

And as a Catholic, I believe he'd need to do a whole lot of penance. Forgiveness is in God's hand, not mine.

[dani]

27. He seems like too much of a zombie

From what I've read about Rush and his private life, he just doesn't seem to have personification or the capacity for affinity or compassion. He seems like a hollow half-man.