Freepers rejoice at Nader news, visit DU to enjoy our pain

[NewYorkerfromMass]

I don't need to repeat their comments but you can look at one of several threads here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1032009/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1032372/posts

But I actually did find something good posted there:

[WhosNext]

1. This is like a bad dream

This can't be happening.

[Patriot_Spear]

5. Nader's shot his wad- He's done; stick a fork in him.

File him in the 'fool me once...' category. All that's left is smoke and mirrors.

He will be a non-issue next November; bank on it.

[WhosNext]

17. I hope so, hey maybe Nader's running will make Dean seem more centrist?

I've gotta find some good in this.

[Patriot_Spear]

18. You Betcha. n/t

[bearfartinthewoods]

55. no one will vote for him this time, will they?

i can't belive he'll get many votes.

[el_gato]

2. i'm not concerned but that cartoon is funny

and it just shows me the freepers know the truth about somethings but can only acknowlege it in a backhanded way, which proves to me they are nothing but a bunch of bootlickers.

[On the Road]

3. Let 'em Rejoice

Nader will NOT be factor this time any more than Pat Buchanan was in 2000. Please, more overconfidence among Republicans. They're setting themselves up for a fall.

[Patriot_Spear]

8. Exactly.

Stay at home Freeps- NAder's got it covered. You can relax. Heh-heh.

[Skidmore]

4. So, someone tell which ticket this

jerk is running on. I thought the Greens indicated that they weren't going to select him as a candidate this time.

[_NorCal_D_]

6. Terrible.

:(

[Don_G]

7. The Ones That Are Left?

Rim Job over at the "Free" Republic has been banning everyone that dosen't toe the ShrubC propaganda line. According to Alexes, their traffic has dropped off dramatically and heading south.

But I don't care. They're being milked out of more than a quarter-a-million per year to fuel their greed.

Let them devour each other.

[Patriot_Spear]

13. That's right. The ones who found out how he 's robbing the kitty...

They were getting sandbagged and he was making out like a bandit- LMAO.

Buncha' suckers.

[Don_G]

20. And Stifling Dissent

Check this out: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=29562

[jsw_81]

67. The great irony of Free Republic

Way back in 1999, the vast, vast majority of freepers hated Bush and were lined up behind lunatics like Alan Keyes, Gary Bauer, and Pat Buchanan. I know because I was an active freeper at the time (albeit a moderate/liberal Republican supporting John McCain). RimJob even went so far as to post literally dozens of documents about Bush's cocaine habit and AWOL problems, and begged his fellow freeps to stop the GOP establishment from annointing Bush.

But when Bush got the nomination they all lined up behind him and have been kissing his ass ever since. Especially RimJob. They even have a daily "pray for President Bush" thread and a "daily dose of Dubya" thread where everyone can drool over recent pics of our "brave, strong commander in chief." :eyes:

What a difference four years makes.

[drfemoe]

84. uh . that's the plan

as soon as the dems get our nominee.. no more bashing.

[Cocoa]

9. I wouldn't worry about it

what did he get in 2000, something like 3-5%. This time he won't crack 1% in any state. All zeroes, a total non-factor.

[Terwilliger]

10. and you're advertising that fact?

maybe you should eliminate your massage-a-Freeper's-ego thread

[_NorCal_D_]

15. The freepers are definitely happy:

Post 7: Where do I send my donation?

Post 5: Money for nothing and the Greens votes thrown away for free!

You can't beat it!

Post 4: The good news just keeps on coming. Go Ralphie -- and thanks for 2000, BTW.

Post 31: Think I'll wander over to DU and see if they've heard the news yet. :-D

Post 12: I just got my wish for Christmas. Thanks Ralph!

:grr::grr:

[Patriot_Spear]

19. I'm reposting the FR comments on the Green Boards...

Let them know who they're working for...

[_NorCal_D_]

22. Good idea.

I particularly like this freep picture:

:(

http://www.gp.org/committees/forums/phpBB2/index.php

[oasis]

30. that's a dandy (n/t)

[Tinoire]

23. Playing the Freeper's game instead of focusing on the real enemy?

That's what you're doing- inadvertently providing their entertainment and helping them splinter the Left.

[Patriot_Spear]

26. Not so- They should who know they're helping...

The truth hurts, I know... But they're not helping progressives.

[Terwilliger]

29. the "truth" is that the Dems are losing

what are you going to do about it? Bitch and complain about Ralph Nader while Dianne Feinstein and John Kerry hand victories to George W. Bush?

[Patriot_Spear]

31. Whatever. Your GreenOP Party is nothing to me.

If I was ever tempted to support a Green before, I'd NEVER do it now, on principal alone.

I'm not going down this road with you Teri- we both know where we stand.

[Terwilliger]

I am going down this road with you Patri, because your position is without

merit or substance, and it's a perpetual dismissal of the real problems the Democratic party has

[lifelong_Dem]

46. Did you see Dean on Hardball?

He spoke about how the increasing power of corporations is becoming a bigger and bigger problem in America - an issue near and dear to the hearts of many Greens, as I understand it.

[Terwilliger]

48. you must not have seen the thread

I believe George Bush said something about "compassionate conservatism" and "creating a new spirit" etc. etc. That means now what it did before.

[lifelong_Dem]

63. So you dismiss what Dean said?

With no foundation?

[Terwilliger]

64. I didn't dismiss Dean

are you projecting?

I don't think much of Dean's assertions, though, especially given all his mouth problems. For me, Dean can only prove himself by his actions. He can say he's against corporate excesses all day without actually having to do something about it.

[lifelong_Dem]

74. And how exactly can he do something about it

given that he holds no elected office at the moment?

[Terwilliger]

80. whoa...wasn't that one of the arguments against Nader and the Greens?

Nice to see you travel around in your self-made circles, l_D

[lifelong_Dem]

85. I have no idea what you're talking about. Please answer the question.

What do you expect Dean to DO about corporate power, given that he holds no elected office?

[11 Bravo]

75. The only road I care about is Pennsylvania Avenue.

And the only reason 1600 is currently occupied by * is the egomania of Ralph Nader.

[Terwilliger]

81. that's what you partisan Dems say over and over again

that's for sure

[bearfartinthewoods]

60. i'd skip the post about the little dog in the car, if i was you....

[Skittles]

33. oh, stop it

if anyone is doing that, it is that f***wit Nader

[_NorCal_D_]

68. I would never

go to www.gp.org to browbeat Greens. Instead I would ask or should I say beg for unity. :(

[Terwilliger]

28. you think that's bad??

You ought to see what they say about Bill Clinton and Al Gore!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. To them Ralph is the gift that keeps on giving

Several members of the Green party leadership recognize that even if it is not true, it is the perception.

[Terwilliger]

32. and perception is reality

Bill Clinton was a lying scumbag adulterous pervert...that was the perception. Does that make him a continuing pox on the Democratic party?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

43. In some ways yes.

It gets debated here everyday.

[Terwilliger]

59. really!

I dont remember anyone claiming that Bill Clinton was working for the Republican party!

[AntiCoup2K4]

56. According to some theories, yes....

...for example, the theory that he and Hillary are trying to sabotage Dean (or any other potential frontrunner) to ensure a Junior win in 2004 and allow an easy win for Hillary in 2008.

If there were ever enough actual evidence to support such allegations, I would be the first to go on record and cordially invite Bill and Hillary to fuck themselves. And I already have no use for McAuliffe as it is.

[Terwilliger]

61. interesting response

so where's the proof of such allegations on Ralph Nader?

[stevedeshazer]

65. The only one floating that turd

is Dick Morris. He's been on every radical right talk show you can think of trying to sell his pathetic book with this little canard.

[Ficus]

11. Nader could be good

if Dean wins the nom. It'd make him look centrist when the country thinks he's untra-left.

[WhosNext]

14. Hey, not a bad point.

[eissa]

12. A word of caution to the Greens

bush remains in office for a second term :scared:

[Terwilliger]

25. A word of caution to the Democrats

Nader is only as much a problem as you allow him to be

The sources of a 2004 Dem loss have nothing to do with Nader and the Greens

[unfrigginreal]

35. You sure about that Terwilliger?

If a Dem started pushing some of the Greens concerns wouldn't they be accused of doing it to pander for votes? How does a Dem get a Green vote other than by running a Green?

[Terwilliger]

40. Hmmm....I dunno...lessee...STANDING BY A LIBERAL POSITION

that would be a WONDERFUL start!

[unfrigginreal]

44. Would they be believed? n/t

[Terwilliger]

52. Democrats? probably not

everybody knows they're pandering compromisers

[_NorCal_D_]

70. Perhaps you perceive compromise.

I would argue that it's impossible to please everyone with such a big tent.

[Terwilliger]

79. perhaps there's too much compromise

to make these folks seem like they're in another party

[NewYorkerfromMass]

38. Terwilliger, I finally concede Gore should never have let it get close

enough to steal. But I think it was mainly the problems of Gore as a candidate/man than his policies. People just didn't like him personally. Kind of like what Kerry is going through now.

[Terwilliger]

41. That's part of it

I still think Gore was micro-managed by the DLC, so he never had a chance to gain a wider acceptance. But Nader criticized the party because of what Gore represented. Even if Kerry were a more charismatic type, he'd still be pushing the centrist policies that have usurped the party over the last 15 years or more. That needs to be addressed, or the idea that the Democratic party is still moving to the right will not be dispelled.

[MadHound]

45. A word of caution to all of you ABBs

ABB simply means we lower the speed at which we are approaching the cliff edge. It doesn't mean that we are going to change the direction we are heading. There is still the edge of a cliff ahead

Geronimo!

[htuttle]

47. Very True...

But careful drivers slow down before they make a U-Turn, to avoid flipping over.

(way to push a metaphor, eh? Thank you -- Thank you very much...)

[Droopy]

16. They're awfully cocky over there at FR aren't they?

Well let's just see what we can do about that. It will be nice to visit there when old Dubya gets kicked out on his can next year.

[wuushew]

21. They just don't get so many things

They are not even denying that Ralph is a tool of the GOP, idiots!

To: areafiftyone


First time I've ever gone to the DUmmie site. What a crappy system. Thank you Jim and John Rob!!!

FMCDH


24 posted on 12/02/2003 9:35 AM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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[Zomby Woof]

27. I'm kind of glad

This will remind the nostalgic folks that it was never roses and honey in GD once, and hey, I am sick of the Dean whoring anyway. We need new Nader threads. :evilgrin:

[Terwilliger]

36. you just like the conflict

confrontation whore! ;-)

[Zomby Woof]

76. damn straight tootin'!

Drink up DU!!!! :bounce:

[_NorCal_D_]

82. Priceless!

I just might borrow that! :evilgrin: :bounce:

[Iverson]

34. not enough Nader-bashing today?

Hey, go with your strengths.

[htuttle]

37. And like Pavlov's f*cking dog, DU reacts at the sound of Nader's name...

I'm on a few Green party mailing lists. I just did a search of my archives, and the word 'Nader' hasn't been used on them for almost 12 months, and that was in relation to something else entirely. If he runs, it's going to be as an independent, and will be electorally inconsequential. If the Greens nominate anyone for President, it probably be someone like Camejo who's actually put some work into building the Green party, instead of a media gadfly who had to be talked into running in the first place.

Look at who is saying what on all the 'OMG! It's NADER!' threads -- half of them are just 'day tourists' from FR. They are obviously trying to use the Greens as a wedge issue for the Democrats...once again.

Keep your powder dry -- save it for the real fight. Time is short, and we can't afford to create a lot of internal animosity over this sort of crap.

[Blitz]

57. Given Camejo's impressive performance in the recall election

And Schwarzenegger's victory, if Camejo runs, California could suddenly become very interesting. The candidates didn't spend much time or money on California in 2000 because it was assumed that it would go Dem. That might change in 2004.

[shrike]

39. So much for the dead baathists

I'm referring to the FR post where he ticked off all the reasons to be happy: Nader, dead baathists (in Samorra). Guess he ignored the follow-up about the missing dead bodies, civilians (not baathists) killed, etc.

He must have also missed the Challenger, Gray & Christmas report this morning: no real job growth until 2008.

[Kahuna]

42. Nader is a certifiable loon. He will have as much impact..

as buchannan had in '00.

[Terwilliger]

50. well, your buddies are certainly animated considering the minimal impact

like a tempest in a teapot

[_NorCal_D_]

71. We can only hope.

:( :shrug: :(

[donotpassgo]

49. Run Roy Moore, Run...

Evil Homos and God Haters want to Sodomize and destroy the nation and put you in prison for believing in Jesus.

Only Roy Moore can take back America.

[AntiCoup2K4]

58. Buchanan/Moore '04!!

Pat's got the free time now :evilgrin:

[PatrickS]

51. Freepers are happy about this...

'Nuff said!

[Terwilliger]

53. Freepers are happy with Howard Dean

they're also happy when Bill Clinton comes up...nuff said!

[0007]

54. I could almost guess what the freeps are doing on this one,

jumping up and down and claiming God takes care of his own.

[info being]

62. You people are pathetic

Nader did not announce he's running. He has a domain and a site under construction? So what?

Do a little research and thinking before you react.

[Q]

66. I dislike Nader and I'll never vote Green...

...but I have to say these Nader threads are distracting us from the real issues.

- Have you noticed that Bush* is NOT being taken to task for 'someone' in his administration betraying a CIA agent? Have you noticed that he has not been made to 'suffer in any way for lying us into the Iraq war? Have you noticed that he's obstructing the investigations into 9-11?

- It's time to focus on the real problems or face the reality of four more years of George*.

[Terwilliger]

69. distracting who?

it's party leaders and politicos who can raise issues and address talking points....when we see ANY of that, maybe Nader will be irrelevant this time

[knight_of_the_star]

72. He WILL NOT

Get the Green Party to nominate him this time. We want Bush OUT.

[Silverhair]

73. It all works on a percentage. Yes, Nader will pull part of our base.

Maybe only 1%, but we can't afford to lose ANY percent of our base. Yes, he hurts us.

This has been a really good week for the freepers.

[bluestateguy]

77. Nader

If Dean is nominated the Nader vote will drop to 1% or below. The Libertarian vote should cancel that out, as I expect it to go higher in 2004 due to this Administration's fiscal orgasms.

[Forkboy]

78. so...who gives a shit about the freepers?

[drfemoe]

83. I don't know when I have laughed so HARD

OMG .gasp.gasp ..
DU may have our share of ragpipes, but geeziz at least most DUers have something 'intelligent' to say.

.....
LOL! After showering off the DU slime, I can report there's good humor reading their posts on this subject. They're melting down like a steaming pile of dog doo being annihilated by a violent rainstorm. Sorry for the bad visual. It's the best analogy I could think of after my "session" of yard cleanup in melting snow today. Love the dogs but not their leavings.
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To: Sofa King

I know right-wingers who voted Nader in 2K. They hated Gore, and viewed Bush as liberal.

......

I would die of boredom if I were a freeper.