Lieberman touts Fox News' ratings; blasts Democratic party's inclusiveness

[pruner]

Debating Democrats Outfoxed

Presidential candidate Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) has always been a fighter for the oppressed and disadvantaged -- in this case, himself. "It was not right to deny me an opportunity to be part of today's debate," he said in a statement released before Monday's Democratic debate in Iowa.

Apparently Lieberman had sent regrets to the debate hosts, figuring he would be campaigning in New Hampshire that day. But then a key Medicare vote in the Senate forced him to stay in Washington, and he said he would like to participate in the Iowa debate via satellite, which fellow Sens. John F. Kerry (Mass.) and John Edwards (N.C.) were already planning to do. The Democratic National Committee, citing technical reasons, said no to late-entrant Lieberman.

Lieberman, like so many before him, took his complaints about the Democrats to Fox News. "I always thought the Democratic Party was the party of inclusion, but they excluded me tonight," he said on Hannity & Colmes. "But I got the last word because I'm on your much more highly viewed show."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22009-2003Nov29.html (2nd item)

[Liberal Veteran]

1. What a fucking cockroach....

...I swear I despise him.

[pinkpops]

4. show some respect

for cockroaches

[Liberal Veteran]

8. Yeah, your right...My apologies to cockroaches for the comparison.

nt

[evil_orange_cat]

11. agreed

lieberman's a bit of a tool... I love the comparisons that he's making between himself and John McCain. Yeah, a Pro-Life, pro-gun, republican from the heartland has a lot in common with a New England democrat.

ABB(AnyoneButBush)... but preferably not lieberman... :D

[ibegurpard]

2. Great Joe! Tout FAUX "News."

The propaganda organ of the RNC. And people wonder why he gets nailed for being Republican-lite. :eyes:

[ShaneGR]

3. lol, that should really help his campaign

Who the hell is running that campaign anyways? Do they think Democratic Primary voters are watching Hannity and Colmes?

BTW, didn't Lieberman pull out of Iowa? So if he can't make it to the debate, why should they give him a screen?

[tritsofme]

23. Didnt Clark pull out of Iowa too? nt

[ShaneGR]

36. Yes, but he actually showed up to the debate

Holy Joe wanted to do his via video-conferencing while Clark was actually there in person.

[tritsofme]

59. But if youre going to say that since he pulled out he should be excluded

then be consistent.

Kerry and Edwards did the video-phone deal too, I dont particualarly support Lieberman, but it seems unfair to exclude him, and include people that arent even showing up in national polls.

[tjdee]

74. sgr2 is slightly incorrect. Lieberman refused the invitation to the debate

Clark pulled out of Iowa, but accepted the invitation to the debate.
Lieberman REFUSED the invitation, and then changed his mind and wanted to get the same deal as Kerry and Edwards, who did NOT refuse the invitation.

I think he should have been let in....but he shouldn't have changed his mind.

[Hieronymus]

5. I didn't like him before,

but now I despise him.
Cockroach is too good a term to describe him.:wtf:

[carrowsboy]

6. not a cockroach...

...more like a cocksucker

pardon my french

[xchrom]

39. he's nothing that nice!

[CheshireCat]

7. I thought he was bad

but now I see that he is despicable.

What was he hoping to accomplish? is he flirting with the Republican Party now?

Sure Joe, go on Fox and give the Democratic Party hell. That will help you get the nomination!

Geesh, what a moran!

[Ksec]

9. lol yea Ill bet he jumped in the polls

badmouthing his own party . Him and Zell should get married and have little slackjawed mealymouthed backstabbin babies. :)

[glarius]

10. I never trust anyone who smiles incessantly (like Lieberman) n/t

[madrchsod]

12. i`m sure the next email

i get from the rnc will feature his statements-they love thier "little joe"

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Zell Miller Junior!

SOB! :mad:

[jiacinto]

31. They are not the same

That's a misconeption that continues to be advanced around here.

[Catfish]

60. No they aren't the same but

Lieberman sure reminds me of Zell more and more. When I read Lieberman's remarks, first person I thought of was Zell. If Lieberman thinks he can win the nomination by whoring it on Fox, he should continue that strategy. He had a problem with the people controlling who would be in the debate and he turned it into an attack on the entire Democratic Party and he did it on Fox. I think that was divisive and stupid.

[jiacinto]

64. I agree

I'm not voting for him, but the Senator has been attacked unfairly and been misrepsented here for years.

[Catfish]

68. I haven't been here long

so could you give me a short version of the unfair attacks? I started off with a positive opinion about him when he was chosen as VP but it has gone downhill since then.

[jiacinto]

70. Okay

1) He is exactly like Zell Miller
2) He voted for John Ashcroft
3) He is more loyal to Israel than America
4) Lieberman (R-Likud) or (R-Israel)

Stay here long enough and you'll see that here.

[Raenelle]

71. Zell Miller-Lite

[PROGRESSIVE1]

14. Lieberman now has NO CHANCE of getting the nommination!

He should be challenged in 06' in the Dem Primary!

[billbuckhead]

16. I accidentally mentioned Lieberman to my mom tonite. I never talked

about Joe with her before. There was always something more important to talk about than Joe Lieberman. I can't ever remember talking about Lieberman before with her but tonite we stumbled on talking about Lieberman and she said: "I never have liked that guy". Lately, I never meet anyone who likes Lieberman, from left to right, from poor to rich, from redneck to NPR listeners. from albino to ebony, nobody likes this guy Lieberman. I championed his cause when Gore picked him, but when he lost that debate with Cheney, I began to mistrust Joe. I swear he threw that debate. in retrospect, it seemed like he was auditioning for a job at Halliburton or Carlyle. A shameful performance.

[Faygo Kid]

15. Lieberman and Colmes: Zell Miller wannabes

How can ANYONE take Lieberman seriously? As far as Alan Colmes, no one does, so forget it. Typical jerks who have gotten us into this mess. Oh well, they are both rich - and Lieberman will make a fortune after his Senate term as a shill for the pharmaceutical or insurance industries.

[jiacinto]

30. Lieberman is no Zell Miller

Their voting records are miles apart. That's another misconception.

I used to get the data daily here and post it to fight the ignorance that exists toward Lieberman. However, I won't bother as the dislike for Lieberman stems from reasons that have nothing to do with his politics.

[virtualobserver]

45. it stems from his sucking up to Bush

and now sucking up to fox.

Democrats excluded him because they are "not inclusive"?

Lieberman is such a fool.

[jiacinto]

58. I'm not voting for him

But I will defend him against the unfair character assasination that he is subjected to here daily.

[Catfish]

62. Agreed n/t

[Catfish]

66. I dislike Lieberman

because of his politics. Could you explain to me what reasons you think people dislike him, other than his politics? I really don't know.

[jiacinto]

69. Easy

1. He is a religious Jew (some people hate that aspect)

2. He is pro-Israel.

What's ironic is that Edwards, Kerry, and Gephardt all voted for the IWR and support Israel. But it's always Lieberman who gets singled out the most.

[Zero Division]

17. Promised...not...to...attack...any...Dem....candidates....arghhh!

This ain't easy folks! Think I'll go back and flagellate :spank: myself for a while before I break down. :evilgrin:

[Liberal Veteran]

19. It's okay...it's not like he was a real candidate..

So flame on!

[Carolina]

20. he's not a Dem,

he's repuke lite. So the gloves are off.

[jiacinto]

32. He is no Zell Miller

That's another ignorant statement here. Have you ever bothered to go to Project Vote Smart?

[Military Brat]

47. Speaking of Project Vote Smart ...

http://www.vote-smart.org Great site! Thanks for mentioning it.

About Joe L., however, morale is an important issue with Democrats, we have such a big mountain to climb in front of us. Joe is not helping the cause, he's helping the Repubs. They listen to him squawk and say "Sore Loserman" all over again. He makes the Dems look like whiners. After all, he ostensibly represents our party, does he not?

Joe really really needs some good media training, because he is inept at portraying himself as a champion of the Democratic cause. I say my prayer as "Anybody but bush, but please God, not Lieberman."

[Carolina]

49. whoopee

he sure voted like a Democrat on Medicare last week, didn't he? Just as he rolled over for Cheney to rub his belly during the their 2000 debate. I guess his voting record is why he sure resonates with Democrats now ... NOT. He's a whiney wimpocrat and repuke-lite and if you can't see that by how conducts himself, then you're the ignorant one.

[jiacinto]

54. I'm not voting for him

But most of the wildest accusations against him here are less than truthful and misleading. They are. That's the truth.

I've seen him attacked unfairly for two years.

[Ardee]

61. I am almost never in agreement with Carlos

but I am on this one......I wish you all would examine Joe's voting record and note that he has been on the right side (not a pun)more often than many democrats.

What he was thinking here is beyond my comprehension though......

[jiacinto]

63. That's not true

But then again, when it comes to you, Ardee, you love to join in the chracater assisnation of Lieberman.

I would tell you why I think you hate Lieberman, but the rules prevent me from calling you an ....-......

[IndianaGreen]

67. I suggest you go to LBN and read what Holy Joe just said

Holy Joe is now calling for Holy War and for closing ranks behind Bush:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=246133

[Carolina]

18. and to top it off

the weasly little bastard didn't even vote on the Medicare bill.
So let's see: he bashes the party he hopes to lead via the propaganda network of the GOP. Then, so he can have it both ways, can talk out of both sides of his mouth about Medicare, he doesn't bother to vote.

He's toast and he knows it, so just as Zell, his narcissism seeks attention the only way he can get it: running to FOX and crying shame on the Democrats. Screw him. I always thought Al Gore blew it by selecting his smarmy ass. Now I have no doubt.

Loathsome Lieberman, I'm starting to react to him the same way I react to Bush ... mute button and novel combos of swear words.

[buff2]

21. Zell Miller Jr.

Why don't all these republicrats get out of the democratic party and join the repukes where they belong? I've had enough of these traitorous assholes.

[jiacinto]

29. I am not voting for Lieberman

but you comment is ignorant. Lieberman does not vote like a Republican. He isn't Barbara Lee, but that doesn't make him a Republican either.

I don't approve of his behavior, but there is a lot of ignorance here at DU when it comes to Lieberman.

[Carolina]

51. you need to quit calling people and

and their statements ignorant. Quite frankly the people at DU are an intelligent and well-read group. And these forums are for information and OPINION. You could kindly point out Lieberman's PAST voting record
as being more Democratic than his current behavior and more recent votes suggest without resorting to name-calling.

Moreover, go back and look over Zell Miller's past. Read his speech at the 1992 Democratic Convention. Yes, there are parallels between Zell and Joe!

[jiacinto]

57. No there aren't

Liberman isn't endorsing Bush. That's the first thing. Secondly Lieberman is nowhere as conservative as Bush is.

And yes I am calling you ignorant. Anyone who has bothered to look at his history would disagree with you.

I probably will catch hell for this, but many DUers are not intelligent and well-read. Some of the posts here here are dumb and ignorant, especially when it does come to Lieberman.

[pansypoo53219]

22. wow,

he really has a knack to turn off more voters every day.

[raysr]

24. Would Gore have ....

done better w/o Joe pruner? (RE:idiotic thread)

[enki23]

25. bye joe

i'd give you the traditional warning, but i'm sorta rooting for the door.

[spindoctor]

26. Doesn't anybody have anything nice to say about Lieberman?

...I didn't think so.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

27. I have something nice to say about Lieberman

He will never be president.

[Melodybe]

28. Even my grandmother hates Joe Lieberman!

She says everytime she has to hear his whiney little voice she wants to scream. My grandparents rule! I think that she has a crush on Clark cause she has said a few times that he has pretty eyes, but she has sent money to both Clark and Dean. Anyhoo, she fucking hates Lieberman and she is a very sweet little tiny grandma.

[JohnKleeb]

33. so does mine

I think shes undecided but leans Kerry.

[The Zanti Regent]

50. The world would be better off without him.

and that's the NICEST thing I can think of for that worhtless bastard!

[Rex]

34. Interesting...he knows that Fakenews is RW

so he goes off and cries to them about the DNC. He shows his true colors.

[VOX]

35. Exactly. He's a "tattletale." What a *loser.*

Holy Joe is the pits, and the sooner he drops out, the better off we'll all be.

[Cronus Protagonist]

37. Come on now, people. Joe is a great Democrat

...for me to POOP ON!

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[whirlygigspin]

38. Why do these DINO's spend all their time sucking up to the pukes?

For the life of me, I can't understand it at all.

They want to be accepted by the pukes? what? invited to parties?
I hear the DLC types pissing all over themselves worrying about not being popular in the south or with the millitary and look for candidates that would possibly appeal to republicans.

Hello? you are democrats, these people by and large hate you.
They won't vote for you, they don't like you and they think you smell

The DLC is like some mentally challenged stalker who keeps asking the tall blond for a date even though she tells him she thinks he's ugly, she hate's him, she says he smells and beats him up when he won't get a clue...and back he comes for more!

Here's some free advise from me to the DLC and all those wonderful people who are now seizing Sorros cash with wild abandon:

"Try courting the ugly girl in the corner who looks up to you instead of endlessly wasting all your time hoping the tall blond with the silicone boob implants driving the red corvette will maybe change her mind and fall for your noble character"

It might serve us all better in the end.

[fujiyama]

40. While I don't believe.

Joe will bolt the party, and at this point i sure as hell hope he's figured out there's no way in hell he'll win the nomination, he may have other things to look forward to...

Maybe he's looking to have a cabinet position in the next Bush administration. It seems somewhat unlikely but hey it's a possibility.

I see no other reason to kiss up to RWers so much.

It's odd because his vote record isn't all that bad. It's better than several others that escape such wrath -- I'd say it's better than Fienstien, Landreiu, and just bout every southern democrat (his vote record is somewhat similar to Edwards, and hey Lieberman did have the guts to vote AGAINST te partial birth bill unlike Edwards). It's not even all that differnt from Hillary's record (and I can't imagine the same amount of bashing for Hillary)...

So, Joe's made a major fool of himself. He's not a bad senator, though it certainly isn't as good as Kerry, Fiengold (well he stands alone considering he voted againt the Patriot Act), Boxer, etc etc.

[ozymandius]

44. Gore must be scratching his head right now.

Saying, "What the hell was I thinking?"

To think about Lieberman's recent performance is painful and embarrassing. He cast a voice vote for $87 Billion to be sent to Iraq. He did not vote on the Medicare issue. Disgusting!

[jiacinto]

65. Feingold isn't perfect either

He voted for Ashcroft, while Lieberman didn't.

[matcom]

41. I said it from the start

ABB

ABL

PERIOD

[trumad]

42. Hey Carlos...

All of Joe's supposed good will goes up in smoke with comments like he made to Faux.... You can't deny that?

[matcom]

46. hey Trumad!

i'm not Carlos :)

[trumad]

73. I know Mat....

I was speaking to er...Carlos...LOL

And I think folks here on DU treat him the way he should be treated...as a finger in the air coward politician!

[jiacinto]

55. I'm not voting for him

But it is still obvious that people distort his record and treat him unfairly here.

[ozymandius]

43. This event will make the demise of his campaign even sweeter.

His retreat from the race will feel like recovering from a bad cold, overcoming a bout of diarrhea. When he is gone, what a load off our collective minds he will be that his barbed comments will lessen their injury to the party he pretends to love.

[Carolina]

52. exactly

I really enjoyed the last debate (except Kerry's behavior toward Dean about the moral issue of Medicare and then he didn't even vote?!) and later realized that part of the reason was I didn't have to hear Holy Joe's sanctimony.

I'm glad he wasn't there and glad he's going down so I won't have to hear him (cause I sure as hell never watch FOX). I always thought Al Gore blew it by selecting Joe. Between that selection and his tin ear about rapid media response and toward's Clinton's advice (see jeffrey Toobin's book), the election became stealable.

Love your wording: when he's gone ... his barbed comments will lessen their injury to the party he pretends to love.

The barbed pretender!

[ikojo]

48. What a schmuck! Why don't he and Zell Miller

just switch parties and get it over with.

Of course it was a technical reason because TECHNICALLY Lieberman is a Republican and it was DEMOCRATIC presidential debate after all.

[liberalcapitalist]

53. come on, now! Joe is no Repub

"One of the reasons Joe is this dog's best man is that I can count on him to be there to protect our beaches, our forests, our parks, and all the places that are part of my natural habitat. Although his global warming bill didn't pass, I am proud of the way he refused to roll over and play dead and worked his tail off for a principle he deeply believes in. He is a fighter, and I know he'll keep at this until we cap those greenhouse gases and do what's necessary to protect the planet for litters to come."

-- Word from "Fenway Timbers," a damn dog.

[Scott Lee]

75. No. He's worse.

A DINO who is now either so arrogant or demented that he slinks over to Faux Snooze and gives them head so he can whine about the debates he was "excluded" from.

What a complete and total scumbag.

[liberalcapitalist]

77. b.s. he's not nearly as bad as you guys make him out to be

#9 with a bullet on my list of candidates, but far superior to ANY AND ALL REPUBLICANS, including the beloved John McCaine. Look at his voting record! He has already come out in support of the nominee!

The bullshit thread here SEVERELY takes him out of context, Ann Coulter style. Joe got screwed and he has a right to be upset.

I disagree with Joe on many issues, I lament the fact that his presence on the Gore ticket put Bush in office, and as I said, he's unquestionably #9 on my list, but I DO admire him for his integrity. You guys are way off base for slamming him like you do.

[IndianaGreen]

56. Lieberman calls for Holy War in Iraq, in a story posted in LBN

You won't believe what Holy Joe is saying now:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=246133#246146

Tell me that Holy Joe doesn't sound like the late Meir Kahane.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

72. Joe sounded like..

..he had been sitting down in front of Fox News for the last three years. This man is certainly not a Democrat. Well maybe he is, if you consider Zell Miller a Democrat as well.

[Ksec]

76. Joes a schmuck nt