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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:04 PM
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HOW IT ALL WENT DOWN: DETAILED REPORT OF BUSH'S SECRET TRIP
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:05 PM
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1. LOL..OMG!! They're pissed..LOL
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:16 PM
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4. Thanks for the post
freepers are just disgusting and brainwashed.:eyes:
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:07 PM
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2. Don't Shout
We get the point.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:35 PM
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9. I didn't capitalize the letters..
that's how it was posted at the site.
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zls44 Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:38 PM
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10. How about the ARTICLE! Especially the no calls part
Telling them not to call.

To the White House Press Corps, DU, everybody now!

One!

Two!

Three!

Wa-CHOO! (whip noise)
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:47 PM
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18. Drudge SHOUTING in a headline doesn't change the DU GD rules, afaik.
2. The subject line of a discussion thread and the entire text of the message which starts the thread may not include profanity, excessive capitalization, or excessive punctuation. Inflammatory rhetoric should also be avoided.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:12 PM
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3. Again I ask, what's with the picture of AF1 flying into the setting sun?
He landed in darkness, and took off two hours later in darkness.
Using that picture without a disclaimer is pure propaganda disguised as journalism.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:21 PM
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5. what does it matter?
people will be delighted at this romantic display of "their president" taking this great risk to actually go to Iraq and serve the troops a plate of turkey dinner and actually have the courage to stay there, in the airport, for two and a half hours!!

The comments posted on another site from the troops there are sickening. Complete adoration of their "president", coward AWOL commander in chief for this total photo op staged event, according to Drudge. And we are supposed to support these troops? Howcome? They love Bush--we do not--and so how come I am expected to support these troops? I do not support Bush and his invasion of Iraq with lies that killed thousands--why should I support troops that support him?
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:29 PM
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6. I support the troops regardless of who they support.
I feel bad for them, because they don't deserve to be caught in the middle of this. Many of them are young, and many are afraid. Assimilation is key to grooming an enlisted soldier. They don't have the opportunity to see Bush's BS on a daily basis the way we do.
Many honestly believe that they are protecting us by being there, because that is what they are told. They beleive it because their minds tell them to in order to make sense of the violence around them.
They are told lies to keep them motivated. And they lie to themselves to remain motivated. I don't blame the troops, even those that support him.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:41 PM
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14. Are these embeciles?
You mean to tell me they don't know or see what's going on there? They haven't been there since 2000 when the election was stolen. They've had plenty of time to know what's been going on. I think it's been a long time since anyone would believe they're protecting us. I guess they're all blind also so they don't see, and mute so they don't talk.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:47 PM
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19. So, no matter what they say, no matter how much they adore
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 08:49 PM by Marianne
Bush, that means we all must "support the troops"? It does not make sense to me at all. I would love to support the troops, but if they keep supporting Bush, and his pre emptive invasions, in a lovey dovey type admiration for their AWOL commander in chief, how can I? How can anyone who is opposed to Bush, support these troops while we keep reading the fantastic accolades to Bush being given to him by these troops?

I will not, no matter how heartless it makes me seem. If the troops support Bush, I cannot support the troops. Why should I?
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 09:00 PM
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21. I didn't say you have to support them, but I do support them
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 09:01 PM by Nailzberg
They have very little access to the good information. Hell, it's hard to get good journalism stateside, let alone on a military base in Iraq.
They're thousands of miles away from their homes and families, and they feel alone. They would have the same reaction if Bono dropped by to see them on Thanksgiving.
When I say I support the troops, I'm saying I pray they all return here safe and sound. I've seen too many threads where DUers have suggested that the piling up of body bags is a good thing.

Yes, Bush has highjacked this country and has misused out military. But I''m not gonna start saying that there are troops we need to support and troops we shouldn't care about. I, for one, am going to focus my energy on the guy that sent them there.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:34 PM
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8. You can write the editor
who took that pix..From what I just heard, another jet passed AF1, British Airways, and radioed him asking if it was AF1 being the middle of the nite..The pilot responded w/ "no, it's the Gulf Stream"!
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:34 PM
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7. They conquer, we divide
Once again the made for TV Administration bumps their rating points up 3-5%.

We're busy arguing over why Howard Dean didn't go to Vietnam or why Clark dared talk about the Military Industrial Complex. Trust me, Ken Lay is laughing at us.
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carpe diem Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:39 PM
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11. best argument yet for General Clark as nomine!!
I was just watching the President's "surprise" visit
to the troops in Iraq.  The reaction from the troops and the
media coverage of it shows exactly where the battle for the
White House is going to be fought next year.  Those images are
going to replace the "flight suit" photo-op as THE
ad to be played over and over again throughout the campaign. 
It's not going to be about jobs, not health care, not the
economy, not even medicare or prescription drugs (even though
we have given them a big stick to beat us over the head
with... and they will). 

 The war on terrorism and national security are going to be
the battleground for this election and there is not one thing
that we can do about it.  It is not going to be possible,
while the country is at war, and we have over 100,000 troops
on the ground in a shooting gallery, to change or redefine the
argument.  "It's the economy, stupid" or some
similar catchy phrase will not be able to withstand the kinds
of images we just saw of George Bush in Iraq.  And the media
will co-operate fully in getting these images out there for
the White House.  This was perfectly played pr: slow news day,
most Americans are at home watching t.v.  This is going to be
replayed HUNDREDS of times and all the pundits and talking
heads are going to be harping about this for the next several
days, weeks, possibly even longer.  They will get much mileage
out of this.

 This is why we have to nominate someone like Wesley Clark. 
This is going to be an incredibly difficult election for the
Democrats to win, I don't care who we nominate.  However,
unless we want to go ahead and concede the 2004 election and
probably every congressional race for the next 4 yrs., we HAVE
to put forward someone who can fight George Bush in the area
where he is perceived to be the strongest.  With all due
respect to Howard Dean and the other folks running, they
cannot go up against what we just saw on television and beat
George Bush.  You will see that video and others like it
throughout the Republican convention in September of next
year, anniversary of 9/11 and so on.  A quarter of a billion
dollars to fill the airwaves with those images in the weeks
and months just before election day.  

 With Wes Clark, there is certainly no guarantee of anything. 
We could still lose the election "big time".  But,
if the democratic party cannot see that a four-star general w/
34 yrs of military leadership under his belt under his belt,
is THE BEST CHANCE we have to go up against an incumbent
WARTIME president and have a real shot at winning, we deserve
to lose and lose badly.  We have to get over ourselves just a
little and look at the bigger, longer-term picture beyond our
particular pet issues and concerns.  We need some order and
discipline and a willingness to compromise and sacrifice a
little bit here and there if we want to have a real chance at
reclaiming the political landscape from those currently in
power.

 I am not someone who usually gets into politics and following
campaigns beyond voting.  But this year, not until General
Clark got into the race did I think that we had a chance in
hell of winning this election.  I have donated money to a
political campaign for the first time in my life.  I follow
this race like the future of the republic depends on it.  And
for the first time in my life, I truly believe that it does. 
What frustrates me most is that I can see this so clearly but
I don't think that enough people who consider themselves
Democrats see it to keep us from nominating someone who is
going to get his ass handed to him in the general election.
It's not going to be the specifics of a particular policy or
the details of some issue paper.  It's going to be who can
make people feel safe and who can touch people's hearts.  Even
I was moved when I saw the coverage of Bush's visit, and I
CANNOT STAND HIM!!   

 Some people thought General Clark's tv ad was kind of sappy,
and I admit I was one, but that kind of stuff moves people and
inspires them.  That is what we need to be able to do if we
are going to have any chance at winning this thing.  I hope,
if nothing else, the result of today's pr coup by the White
House, is that the Democrats realize that we have to have a
nominee who can actually go toe to toe against a wartime
president and it is NOT Howard Dean or any of the others.  If
we blow the opportunity to put Wes Clark on the ballot this
year, we deserve what we get.

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carpe diem Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:41 PM
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13. best argument yet for General Clark as nominee!!
sorry, that's NOMINEE!!
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:50 PM
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20. Wrong
The only people that give a flip over the "war on terror", are the people that bought into the bullshit fear, sold by whistle ass et al.

If I were a betting person, I would bet a million dollars that the biggest voter turnout group will be seniors. And they ain't gonna vote for whistle ass and his fucked up economy and Medicare scam bill.

Jobs and healthcare will be the two biggest issues in 2004.

Not whistle ass' phony fear mongering.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:40 PM
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12. I wish we could trade Bush for the troops
Leave Bush there and bring the troops back.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:42 PM
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15. I concur..n/t
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zls44 Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:45 PM
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16. Thats the point
I like Howard Dean as my second choice, but I honestly believe that he cannot win.

Its easy to say that you think he can win because of what he stands for, the percieved best chance for the true left.

But the fact is that a candidate cannot win in modern times without making some sort of appeal to the beliefs of the other side, horrible as they may be. You don't have to totally support them, but show some sign of compromise.

That's why I'm supporting Kerry, that and his experience.

That said, if Dean got the nod, you couldn't keep me from the polls and the streets to support him.

And that goes for every candidate except Lieberman. I'd need some prodding to think about it.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:46 PM
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17. How it all went down at that other site with a 2 hour tease
They had advance notice as for the drama to build up

It began with a thread called "President Bush is eating in my undisclosed location"

11/27/2003 7:37 AM PST
President Bush secretly landed an hour ago and is currently eating Thanksgiving dinner at my undisclosed location. Anticipate a press release after he takes off.

---

Eating dinner at 10:37 am est? So Bush is in England? Ireland?

and it goes on with the teases until
posted on 11/27/2003 9:20 AM PST
Way cool...just announced on Fox.

and then explodes into 1362 posts.


I wonder what the story behind that was!!


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1029949/posts
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 09:19 PM
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22. Locking
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 09:20 PM by TSIAS
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