Did Dubya really go down on his Knees and come up cured of alcoholism?

[sam sarrha]

Does anyone out there have any information on the subject. Speaking as a 30 veteran of trying to stop drinking and 5 years actual successful experience staying sober since ... I find it difficult to believe that he had NO assistance in intervention other than God's intervention. I understand that story would probably gives him more actual 'character' than his entire life expressed before that alleged event...but is it true? :shrug:

[Malva Zebrina]

1. nothing he says can be believed

he has shown that over and over. We know him now after threeyears--he is a liar. I have no doubt that he still drinks.

[TNOE]

2. Sure - Dubya

only needed the 1 step - he skipped the other 11.

[lindashaw]

3. Did you read the "dry drunk" piece?

http://www.counterpunch.org/wormer1011.html

[caledesi]

6. The real story -

On his 40th birthday, he and the family were skiing and he got stinkin' drunk and Laura said that she would be leaving with the girls if he didn't stop drinking.

[bearfartinthewoods]

32. maybe he just stopped like Dean did?

or was god required to turn Dean away from the bottle too?

i used to drink too much. i quit. i went to meetings for a little while but didn't really like it. i drink now, responsibly like most people and i did it without god or AA.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. I stopped drinking the day that I buried my mom in 1996...

...and she had been a major closet alcoholic most of her life. She was fully functioning adult during the day to the point where none of her friends or co-workers suspected that she was even close to having a problem. Little did they know what she was like when she wasn't out in public.

I drank a toast to her life that day in 1996, and haven't had a drink since. I did it cold turkey without AA, God, or anyone else's support. And it was very, very hard to do, just like kicking any addiction.

I'll tell you something else, too. If you cut back on your drinking and were successful in doing so, then you were never an alcoholic. IMHO, you really have no clue what an alcoholic deals with on a daily basis, and you should stop making comments as if you do.

Having seen an alcoholic up close and personal, I would bet a pile of money on Bunnypants continuing to drink whatever he can get his hands on. In public, he has all of the classic signs of an alcoholic in dire need of his next drink. IMHO, Dean doesn't exhibit any of those signs.

[terrya]

4. All I know was that Billy Graham supposedly intervened.

After Bush's alleged confrontation with his father, Barbara Bush supposedly called family friend Graham to intervene. Graham did, and again supposedly, Bush was on his way to being born again and conquering his drinking. Bush gave (again, supposedly) up his drinking cold turkey.

I don't have the facts about alcoholism, but the whole story about Bush sounds very fishy.

[Warpy]

5. He just substituted one drug for another

Marx didn't call it "the opiate of the masses" for nothing.

[Bertha Venation]

11. Hear, hear. eom

[SlavesandBulldozers]

13. actually

marx never said that.

[Warpy]

17. http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/300700.html

[SlavesandBulldozers]

34. that line is attributed to Marx, but was edited in I believe

Karl Marx was neither a determinist nor a vulgar materialist and never said that religion was "the opium of the people." What he did say, in his Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right, was that it was at once the expression of inhuman conditions and the protest against them: "the heart of a heartless world; the sigh of the oppressed creature; the spirit of a spiritless situation." Secular criticism, he said, had endeavored to "pluck the flowers from the chain, not in order that man shall wear the chain without consolation but so that he can break the chain and cull the living flower." It was only in this context and with these metaphors that he described religion as an opiate, and even then not as we would now define a mind-dulling (or mind-expanding) 'controlled substance,' but rather as an analgesic on the Victorian model.


http://users.rcn.com/peterk.enteract/Daedalus.html

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. Secular Humanist Kick (nt)

[MaineDem]

7. I read a NEWSWEEK article

It said his drinking buddy, Don Evans (now Commerce Sec, I believe) got * to stop drinking by taking him to church. * was never a regular church-goer prior to that.

I'm really suspicious about this. It seems to me that he's taken to religion as another addiction. I'm not 100% convinced that he's stopped drinking. I hope he was able to beat that addiction but I don't know.

[TNOE]

10. I recall Clinton going to church quite often

as the media was waiting for him when he exited - I've only seen Bush go to church on special occasions...... something that makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

[SharonAnn]

37. and Evans said that they studied the Gospel of Mark or Matthew

but when asked about it didn't know what was in the Gospel. Kindof shoots down that little factoid.

See Al Franken's book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.

[hlthe2b]

8. Yes...so powerful are the porcelain gods....

that Dubya was cured to be a dry drunk whose anger and frustration allows him to "rule" with decisiveness and to refuse to ever admit he is wrong...

Yes, we should all look on Dubya with great awe.....:mad:

[Khephra]

9. It CAN happen through religion

For example: Bill W had a religous conversion that lead him into founding AA.

And, it happened that way to me, to a lesser extent. However, I must add, that I've done heavy psychotherapy and AA (didn't like the cultish attitude of AA) before I had that moment of clarity.

Do I think it happened that way for Dubya? Not from the signs I've seen.

[Virgil]

16. He did not quit drinking at 40

There is a well circulated video of Bu$h at a wedding where he is drunk when he speaks of an election year. I am sure someone has it bookmarked as it is my intention to bookmark it the next time I see it. At DEAwatch where there is a lot of inside knowledge they speak of his drinking at Camp David and his drinking buddy Gephart. DEAwatch has some good insights- http://members.aol.com/deawatch/daily.htm

[joycep]

12. I have known a couple of people this did happen to

But they were quite humble about their experience and did not take any credit for it. It did not happen that way with me but that's ok, too. I have not found it necessary to take a drink in 31 years but I did AA.

[Khephra]

15. My main problem with AA

Is it replaced actual living for some people.

That and I always left meetings wanting a drink more than I did when I went in there. I believe in the whole "One day at a time" bit, but I do better just not thinking about drinking every single damn day of my life. I made peace with myself and others, learned how to be real fucking humble, and am now past my third year of not drinking.

[joycep]

31. Good for you Khephra

Whatever works and all that stuff!!!

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

14. Personally, I think he drinks on weekends because

I have noticed from photos and TV that he has appeared to be hung-over and coincidentally it often happened to be a Monday. I have noticed a tired, bloated, reddish-eyed look about him at certain times.

[JI7]

18. he isn't cured, he still drinks and does other drugs

there is evidence of him being drunk in a video taken at a wedding. and this video was AFTER he claimed he had stopped drinking. he also uses other drugs as many noticed during his sniffing at the debates. the whore media covered it up by making a big thing out of al gore sighing which was perfectly normal as bush kept rambling without actually saying anything when it was his turn to speak. and there was a press conference he gave where he was on something. and if you remember the pretzel incident, that most likely involved some drugs also.

[Drifter]

20. The fact that he continues to drink ...

non-alcoholic (misleading name) beer (in public) indicates he is far from sober. Sober Alcoholics do not drink NA beer.

Cheers
Drifter

[Khephra]

22. I totally agree with that statement

To be able to recover (however you do it), one has to remove the chemicals from your system. Near Beer doesn't do that.

[opihimoimoi]

26. TOO fuckin LATE.. Brain is comped with huge gaps , er, holes, in it

reducing his thinking capacity by 78.43 percent.

Notice how he reads his speeches, and his delivery. The speeches are all written in simplistic 4th grade short sentences. It is read that way. He cannot, will not, or, is unable to, make changes or embellish the speech.

The poor thing is a poor thing. Sad and pathetic. yet ironic. We champion the Capitalist System. Brings out the BEST, the Most efficent, the Most compelling, the Best way for the Long Term, the Short Term too, and yet, we have a dolt in office Who is clearly lacking....?

:shrug:

[LuminousX]

21. Ask an alcoholic if he can drink a 'near beer'

the answer is quite clearly... no.

Bush isn't cured. He is suppressing his addiction. Admirable on one hand, but tragic on the other. Instead of admitting his problem and dealing with it head on, he hides from it.

[TNOE]

23. He's made the rest of America NEED to get drunk

and stay drunk half the time - I'm not sure him quitting was a good thing.

[MinnFats]

24. I believe he now uses prescription drugs...

....
remember, his father was whacked on halcyon fairly often.


look at his behavior at certain press conferences and other public appearances.....he is just whacked, and people with lots of experience in chem dep have told me the same thing....odd phrasing and syntax, saying one phrase ....so....very....slowly...and the next at a feverish clip, mispronouncing words (well, that may be hereditary) and just this kind of stoned gait and posture....

...i think he's taking serious tranquilizers or, like his buddy Rush, painkillers.....course, if a doc prescribes it, it's got to be OK, right?


did bush hire Dr. Nick after Elvis died or something?

[cosmicdot]

25. ... and, he knows about business because he was one ... and ...

and, he's a compassionate conservative ... and, he's qualified to be president because he was made to look like he was a manager for a baseball team ... and, had gone to Mexico so was a foreign policy specialist and ... etc.

it played well where it was meant to

[opihimoimoi]

28. LOLO voters will listen to lolo brainwashing shit and will vote lolo

resulting in lolo leaders giving us lolo decisions. Its a LOLO Life we live in.

We are unable to stem the LOLO Tide?? Damn!

Come, we go drink.

[sam sarrha]

27. Did he quit drinking about the he got the "BONUS" 12.6 million from the

other Team Investers, for all "help" he gave..being he only got a little over 2 million...on a $680,000 investment over about 10 years. I see the "Gift" a bribe with maybe conditions he sober up and run for Gov, then Prez...a bribe/or reward to sober up.. then it became a <legal??> campain contribution..? check out.. www.bushwatch.net/bushwater.htm .

[graywarrior]

29. Alcohol: Cunning, baffling, powerful

He is not dealing with his entire dysfunctional, messed up family who also has the disease, full blown! I've got no right to say whether he is an alcoholic or not, but he sure acts like an untreated one. I know, I've been there. It takes work to recover from that disease.
I know a recovering FBI guy who told me there are great meetings at the capital building. Maybe he should go.

[Scott Lee]

30. Oh he went down on his knees alright....

and came up with corporate you-know-what all over his mouth.

[soothsayer]

33. yeah, if there wuz a line of cocaine on the floor

i'd believe he got on his knees...

[TXvote]

35. Don't Forget Who Put Him ON His Knees

There are rumors that Biff would drink and beat Laura. This was a time when the local cops were likely to be sure the little lady was "alright" and NOT arrest the husband because it would all blow over when the sun came up. Only the neighbors know for sure and they are not talking.

In fact, it is heavily rumored in the Austin service industry that Biff still loves a strong belt and a bit 'o' blow as well as a barely of age lap dance. Though none of them are willing to go public with any of this. Fear of this man is justifiably real BTW.

Word is that Laura told him, you touch another drop and I will divorce your sorry ass. Then Barbara, the brains in the org (trust me) told her baby boy, you get divorced and I will kick your ass. ANd daddy probably told him he better get with the program.

With women like that telling you to hit your knees you are likely to stay there for a while. Not surprising either that he chose a religion notorious for forgiveness. A spanking enjoyed by many, known here as Saturday night sinners, Sunday morning salvation. You can be sure that Biff has never made a personal decision to do anything harder than pull up his pants.

Peace,
Teresa
www.votervirgin.com

[tinanator]

38. ask victor ashe

maybe he knows?

[arewethereyet]

39. why is that so hard to believe ?

seems like a tiny miracle relative to raising the dead, water into wine loaves and fishes etc.

I'm not saying that you need to believe it but you might at least allow that its possible.