Blind I tell you, BLIND, have though no eyes? READ!

[ShaneGR]

I'm following up on my other Big Dawg post with this.

QUESTION: What is Karl Roves biggest weapon?

ANSWER: Bill Clinton

QUESTION: Why is Clinton the Repugs biggest weapon?

ANSWER: Because every time they get in trouble they ALWAYS revert to their ABCs. ABC? Always Bash Clinton.

QUESTION: Now that Clinton has cleverly taken the high road and removed himself from the equation, what do the Repugs have to fall back on?

ANSWER: Nothing, they look like complete morans (hehe) using Clinton as their savior.

QUESTION: Will Iraq-Gate, WMD CIA Novak Gate, and the mounting casualties in Iraq just go away because the Big Dawg has spoken?

ANSWER: Of course not. There is currently an FBI investigation into the CIA, a war between the CIA and the NSC, and numerous hearings on Capitol Hill. This isn't going away by a long shot.

QUESTION: Can the Repugs blame it all on party politics anymore?

ANSWER: No, they cannot. Especially now that Clinton has taken himself out of the context.

QUESTION: Is Clinton a stupid man?

ANSWER: Of course not, wake up and smell the coffee people. This is calculated and VERY cold. He has, with one telephone conversation (Yeah, he was even smart enough to not be filmed saying it) managed to defuse the entire right-wing spin machine. He has exposed them as the bungling frauds that they are for using him as an excuse.


You'll see.

TEXT OF MY EARLIER POST:

And this time he did it so slyly, so underhanded, that he even fooled a pretty good percentage of the people on the left.

Lets examine a few things shall we?

Clinton said, and I'm paraphrasing, "Presidents make mistakes and we should just move on."

Why you may ask would President Clinton do such a thing? First off, think about the term "move on."

When was moveon.org founded? Right in the middle of the Lewinsky scandal! Millions of left-leaning people were saying, "What's the big deal? People make mistakes! Lets move on!"

Did the right-leaning people move on? Oh no, in fact they made it even worse and impeached Clinton on nothing but a blow job. They didn't have the class or the integrity to just move on. They were, quite incredibly, complete whining crybabies who obviously had never done anything remotely kinky in their entire lives!

So now, when Bush is at his most vulnerable the Big Dawg shocks the whole friggin world by saying lets move on, no biggie! What does this mean?

I'll tell you what it means. It means that not only do the Repugs have a weak case, now the only line of defense they have left is to use a CLINTON QUOTE TO DEFEND BUSH. It's absolutely the most hilarious thing EVER. The same people who spent years tearing down Clinton's reputation are now forced to use him as their knight in shining armor! They're rebuilding Clintons image and looking like idiots for doing it at the same time!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... did anyone see Novak get his head chopped off on Crossfire today when he used the Clinton quote?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.........

I can't believe Ann Coulter gets asked about it!!!!

[bpilgrim]

1. move on

please

peace

[WilliamPitt]

2. They'll bash Clinton anyway

Do you think he inocculated himself? If he started walking on water and raising the dead, they'd crucify him anyway.

All he did was kick everyone working on this in the guts. Let him go be clever on his own time.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. My guts are fine.

He's just one man, with his opinion having been stated a bit more publicly than ours would normally be stated.

I honestly don't think much of anything is going away for Chimpington. Nope. The First Idiot's karmic bill has come due and is about to go into collection.

They are Officially Flailing and they are gonna bite The Cosmic Vienna Sausage.

[Jacobin]

13. I'm surprised that you of all people don't see that by

juxtaposing (inferentially) Clinton's "mistake", lying about a blowjob and getting impeached, to Bush's mistake, lying about WMD to start an unprovoked war, he has made the case that impeachment is not just warranted but mandatory.

If Clinton had come out bashing Bush, would anyone have noticed?

Isn't he "praising Caesar?"

Have we become completely tone-death to political subtleties more powerful than cannon?

[WilliamPitt]

16. No, I get it

and my subtle higher brain enjoys the irony. But my blunt-ass lower lizard brain hears him calling all this stuff no big deal. I don't think he single-handedly messed this whole thing up. But despite everyone saying THIS IS IT and BUSH IS SCREWED, I remember 42,109 other times these fuckers have squirmed out of the corner and survived. I cannot abide anything that comes within a parsec of helping them do this.

[bpilgrim]

24. from one liar to another... "it is certainly understandable"

i think it's BRILLIANT :evilgrin:

peace

[Jacobin]

25. WTF would you have had Clinton say?????

I mean really, come on.

Give the speech, the statement and tell me how it would have been hooted and hollered at.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you have EXACTLY in mind the kind of thing he could have said that would have gained some traction.

Give it a shot. I've tried and I couldn't come up with ANYTHING better than what he said. Bill Clinton is one smart Mofo, and his political instincts are unsurpassed. Let it play out before you blast him to hell and back.

(BTW, I don't give a flying fuck and neither did 67% of the public that he and Monica were a "thing", and damnit, they were after him with battle axes and they would have manufactured something else to beat him on the head with if it hadn't been the blow job, and we all know it.)

[WilliamPitt]

31. I would say NOTHING

"I'm sorry, Larry, but historically it is bad form for a former President to criticize a sitting President."

There's your damn statesmanlike comment...with a little "What did he want to say" mystery aura to boot.

[Jacobin]

34. Fair enough

That might have made you happy and it was certainly what the press would report to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....no one reading it.

Read it again. All the talking heads are saying, "from one liar to another, give him a break (wink)".....The liar image is indelibly and permanently inked on Bush^ by HIS OWN SUPPORTERS AND TALKING HEADS.

[WilliamPitt]

35. Hm

I guess I will watch and wait. I love finding out I'm dumb in a situation that turns out for the good. :)

[Jacobin]

38. Not "dumb"

When I first heard what he said, I was pissed. Then I read what he said and pictured that mischevious grin he must have had when he said it, and the ironic tilt of the head....and I started laughing my ass off.

Hell, who knows who's right or wrong. Maybe its wishful thinking on my part.

In two weeks, if this series of Bush cabal crimes finally being reported on is deep sixed in the press, i'll be ready to re-consider.

[bpilgrim]

36. or if he felt COMPELLED to speak and call lary he could have

said how IMPERATIVE it was to find out what happened to the WMD they all talked about before the war before they fall into terrorist hands.

that way he doesn't call him a liar. he sticks to the script and reinforces how IMPORTANT those claims WERE and ARE.

off the top of my head... i am sure i would give it more thought before i picked up the phone to call LK though ;-)

peace

[newsguyatl]

26. LOL @ williampitt

and my subtle higher brain enjoys the irony. But my blunt-ass lower lizard brain hears him calling all this stuff no big deal.

haha, OMG, thank you, i needed that B-)

[ShaneGR]

42. yeah

hehe

[Q]

32. Mr. Pitt actually remembers my 'told ya so' threads...

- Glad to see you've finally come around. Tomorrow we can expect 42,110...mostly because of the absence of checks and balances in our 'new' government.

[aquart]

23. Some have.

I expect them to nobly vote Green.

[diplomats]

15. I guess that includes his wife then

because she's on the Armed Services Committee and is on record supporting an investigation.

[RummyTheDummy]

3. Sgr

It's amazing how quickly people forget that he halted 12 years of Repuke control of the White House isn't it?

I wonder where the party would be without him. Like Paul Tsongas was gonna beat Poppy in 92.

[WilliamPitt]

6. Just because he was President

doesn't mean he is immune from saying (or doing) stupid shit. This is the same guy who laid hands on the intern when he knew every wingnut on the planet was after his ass. There is ample goddam reason to question his judgment

[RummyTheDummy]

12. He's been questioned plenty.....

Unless I was imagining the whole failed land deal turned into a oral sex probe Ken Starr thingy.

[WilliamPitt]

19. ...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the reason he was questioned

was because of his bad fucking judgment.

Hands on intern during the hunting of the President which he was well aware of = apocalyptically bad judgment. Private? Yes. Forgivable? Absolutely. Impeachable? Absurd. Bad judgment on his part? You bet your ass.

[RummyTheDummy]

22. I've never defended his taste for oral sex with interns....

No rational person would.

[Jacobin]

27. Irrational person raising his hand

It was none of our fucking business and remains none of our fucking business how Clinton or any other politician unloads his load.

[WilliamPitt]

29. And I'm not saying you were

I'm saying it showed bad judgment...like his comments yesterday.

[xray s]

18. Another time he kicked Dem's in the guts

http://lab.pava.purdue.edu/pol101/Exercises/Ex70/wpart.html

"President Clinton yesterday tried to pacify furious Democrats by retreating from his remarks earlier this week that he wished he had not raised taxes so much in his 1993 budget plan and said the proposal was the "right thing to do" for the country.

Clinton's effort to assuage Democrats who voted for his budget proposal and felt abandoned by the remarks came in a news conference in which he also said he could reach a budget agreement with Republicans that would balance the budget in seven years. That is the fourth time line for a balanced budget the president has suggested as a possibility, but aides said his principles on how to get there remain the same.

After delivering a broad critique of Republican fiscal proposals, Clinton tried to take back comments he made in a speech to businessmen last Friday in Williamsburg and then in more detail to a fund-raiser in Texas Tuesday night. In both, he said he agreed with critics who said the tax increase on wealthy taxpayers in his 1993 budget was too big, but explained it had to be done to keep Democratic support for the budget because no Republicans would vote for it.

Republicans seized on the original comments with unrestrained joy, holding news conferences across Washington to announce Clinton had finally agreed with them that raising taxes is a bad idea. No Republican voted for the Clinton plan and many congressional Democrats have blamed their defeats on being associated with tax increases. Clinton's new critique of a tax plan he constructed and then pleaded with them to embrace for the survival of his presidency made many of the president's Democratic colleagues seethe."

That brilliant move may have cost us the House and Senate in '94.

It was the reason Bob Kerry called Clinton "an incredibly good liar".

I, for one, would like to see him fade away.

[Maple]

4. Well you may think it's clever

but that's not what the Repubs are saying.

[lcordero]

5. yeah, move on to punish the whole Bush* misadministration

There is NO WAY that I want to foot the bill for the robbery of the US Treasury and an oil war.

[diplomats]

7. And we have the 9/11 report coming out tomorrow

I think a lot of the people who were upset with what he said thought this would help Bush by quashing the issue but the Dems aren't backing down at all. And there are new, even worse revelations coming.

[Cocoa]

8. and what is Karl Rove's wet dream?

for this whole thing to be seen as revenge for the Clinton impeachment.

As soon as people see it in that light, it loses all force.

Now that Clinton himself is being magnanimous with Bush, it will be very difficult to make it look like revenge.

[demgrrrll]

11. Damn good point. n/t

. I want to add on edit I think that is what the person who wrote that his statements gave "cover" to those who will continue the fight, now I understand the "cover " part a little bit better.
You are right, they could turn this into a time to change the tone argument, we don't want to go through this again, etc and I think that might have caught on if he had not stepped aside. Brilliant observation on your part.

[newsguyatl]

28. point well taken

re: Now that Clinton himself is being magnanimous with Bush, it will be very difficult to make it look like revenge.

[caledesi]

9. Man, did I tell you SGR, you are smart!

I knew there had to be a reason Clinton talked that way on LK, but I really didn't know why, except for the fact that he is 3 steps ahead of everyone (that's why the repugs hated him).

He's so f*cking smart. Who are we to question? Does anyone actually think he is trying to "help" *? I don't think so.

Flame me....I am a pyromaniac.

[WilliamPitt]

14. "Who are we to question?"

:wtf:

[ShaneGR]

20. Will, my thoughts

I read your post about Kerry and thought you to be extremely capable in the ability to objectively view the situation. Mark my words, in one weeks time you will see the calculated brilliance of Clinton's comments yesterday. If I'm wrong, you can write a book entitled, "SGR2, moron."

[WilliamPitt]

33. DagamarK's comments above

capture the real subtlety in play here very well:

"The 9/11 report comes out tomorrow, and blames Clinton partially. No kidding......

It says they had intelligence about one of the hijackers in early 2000. That's Clinton's turf.

Clinton is covering his own sweet ass 24 hours before the onslaught of BLAME for 9/11 comes at him.

And he will say, again, "presidents make mistakes." but he will be talking about himself.

I love and loved Clinton. I have never 'dogged' him (or shagged him, for that matter! Ack!)

And I don't believe for a minute that he is responsible for 9/11. Bush and the cabal are....they had GOOD intelligence that it was coming down the pike.

But the SPIN will be AT Clinton and intelligence in early 2000"

[Q]

37. Let's cut to the chase and have him write that book right now.

- Look...it was neither 'calculated' or 'brilliant'. At the very most it will cause a brief stir and then be overwhelmed by the next great breaking news story.

- But the Neocons will be able to forever quote Clinton as a Bush* 'supporter' and someone who stood up for him when he was under attack by the very party that Clinton was suppose to represent.

- Or maybe it's you that doesn't understand the 'third way'?

[ShaneGR]

39. That's a good theory

Nice thinking, though I think the 911 report is going to HAMMER the FBI & CIA a LOT more.

[KG]

17. another example of your 'GENIOUS'?

(snicker)

[ShaneGR]

40. I see you've pulled out your dictionary

Feel smart now?

[DagmarK]

21. The 9/11 report is due out tomorrow. It implicates Clinton partially......

No kidding......

It says they had intelligence about one of the hijackers in early 2000. That's Clinton's turf.

Clinton is covering his own sweet ass 24 hours before the onslaught of BLAME for 9/11 comes at him.

And he will say, again, "presidents make mistakes." but he will be talking about himself.

I love and loved Clinton. I have never 'dogged' him (or shagged him, for that matter! Ack!)

And I don't believe for a minute that he is responsible for 9/11. Bush and the cabal are....they had GOOD intelligence that it was coming down the pike.

But the SPIN will be AT Clinton and intelligence in early 2000

[ShaneGR]

41. 9/11 report is out now, doesn't blame Clinton

Blames FBI

[ScreamingMeemie]

30. No, not blind, just not looking through rose colored glasses, as some

people seem to being doing here today.

Clinton did nothing for the Democrats last night. It isn't part of some grand scheme. In my mind it was, is and always will be a major F*ck up.

To believe it was anything else,like I said on another thread, is like the Freepers blindly-yes I said blindly-believing their Master isn't a frigging liar.

Don't give the lurking freepers on this board reason to believe we're dumb dumbs...

Sorry for the harshness, but come off it already.