What Do Code Words, "A Christian Man" Mean?

[UTUSN]

Over the past couple or 3 years, every so often, a wingnut caller tells LIMBOsevic or C-Span or whomever that they are THRILLED with Shrub specifically because he is "a Christian man." Usually it's a woman caller sounding like she's having an orgasm.

Now, we here all KNOW that Shrub is literally a personified dirty joke. Recently there was a news item quoting Carlyle co-founder RUBENSTEIN as having terminated Shrub's non-performance there because he never contributed beyond telling dirty jokes at quarterly meetings. We KNOW he's a liar, a screw-up, and a greedy parasite.

What about this person would make others claim that he is "a Christian man" --------or what do they really mean by those words?

[Blue_Chill]

1. Neo-Christian

It's basically the belief that God wants you to lie, cheat, and steal your way thru life as long as you hate homosexuals, feminists, Pro-choicers, and hate at least one race other then your own.

So when you look at it that way can you blame them for stating "he is a christian"?

[Liberator_Rev]

41. Amen, Brother !

Couldn't have it said it better myself.

[molly]

2. IMHO - Chrisitian Man = Man like Jesus

a man that ONLY does good - has no EVIL in mind and/or body?

on edit - my husband taped the TV mini series "Hitler" and we watched it yesterday. I shivered - change the names and the dates....a must see for anyone considering * is a good person.

[UTUSN]

3. And This Relates to Shrub...How???? n/t

[molly]

6. Didn't you want a definition of what THEY think is a

Christian man. They are dillusional.

[JHB]

11. By sheer wishful-thinking fantasy...

...aided and abetted by the Pharisee Right, which rates "correct" public displays of piety uber alles.

[supernova]

5. That's the ideal, I guess

But I really with the RR would stop advertising how much they *don't* live up to that.

[Bucky__Badger]

4. In this context,

I believe "a christian man" means one who claims to be born-again and thus holds dear the values of the religious right, as represented by folks like Robertson, Falwell, and the like. In other words, a "family values republican."

As an added benefit, this christian man has, in his mind and the minds of other members of the religious right, been forgiven and absolved of any responsibility relating to past transgressions, such as snorting coke, driving drunk, or going awol on his national guard unit. It's really very convenient. You can do whatever you want until age (x), then be born again and have it all wiped clean.

Just my reading of the phrase.

[Zero Gravitas]

9. in other words

it means "bigot" ? just like those signs for "American owned" motels you see sometmes (meaning its run by white people not (for instance) Indian immigrants).

[lastliberalintexas]

42. Do you still hear the phrase states rights anymore?

In many parts of the South anyway, "good Christian" has replaced "states rights" as the call to arms. One reason is that their fight has expanded the number of fronts beyond more than just African-Americans. The new phrase can also encompass their hatred of non-submissive women, gays and lesbians, other minorities and even liberals. Much easier to have one phrase to describe all this, no?

And this is a stereotype of the people who are repub supporters. It is NOT meant to describe Christians in general, esp since I am one myself.

[Ekaterina]

23. that he

was born the first time is tragic enough for me.
:-)

[Galley_Queen]

36. SNORT!

ROTFLMAO! You got me with that one!

No doubt :evilgrin:

[Terwilliger]

7. A narrow perspective on a proper American Christian man

with wife and family and dogs and goes to church and "Born Again" and steadfast...

you know, the white Christian-centric wet dream

[tnlefty]

8. here's another one for you to ponder that I don't understand

I heard a woman from Union City, TN, call in to c-span one morning last week and she made the following (paraphrased) proclamation:

For all of you christians out there, you'll know what I mean, Bush is a knower. He knows things we aren't supposed to know....

WTF? These people scare the shit out of me.

[JVS]

19. I think I can answer that one

I've been to a few Pentecostal services and one of the things that struck me as odd was the practice of church-members giving testimonials. A parishoner will testify as to how making the lord a priority in their life has had a positive impact. For instance I once heard "I just want to thank Jesus for saving me from my old ways. I used to have to have to walk to the store 3 blocks away because if I went to the close one I'd go by the liquor store and have to buy some spirits. But since I've accepted Jesus I haven't had a drink." and that kind of stuff. Knower probably means 'one who knows what it is like to have diverged from the righteous path'

[chadm]

21. let's not forget about...

the apocolypse or whatever it is that is supposed to end the world by 2008. People living in misery just want something exciting to happen, like the coming of Jesus...anything to escape their misery. And of course Jesus won't come until the Anti-Christ has...oh never mind.

[Ekaterina]

24. damn

I thought it was 2012. Shit, knock 4 years off the mortgage payments and sign me up for a frontrow seat.

(Do you think this "rapture" they're planning will cause a major flummox in traffic and basic service?)

hee hee hee - osrry, these fruitcakes just get me going :-)

[tnlefty]

44. snickering.....

Testimonials are a breeze compared to the speaking in tongues, yelling, doing backflips on the pews, and the snake handlers and poison drinkers!

[SharonAnn]

46. Nah, I think it's probably one those "end times" thingies

like Tim LaHaye's "Left Behind" books and all that stuff.

Doesn't that scare you?

BTW, one of my friends here is a retired minister. He went to Divinity school with Bob Jones but took a very different path. Anyway, he's been educating me somewhat about this stuff. He told me a story about a church he interviewed with (is that the right term?) years ago where he was asked if he was a "post-millenialist" or a "pre-millenialist". Apparently that was really important to the congregation as part of their beliefs. He said he answered that he was a "pan-millenialist". When they asked what that was he explained that he thought things would pretty much work out OK in the end.

[Khephra]

10. They simply mean

"Not a Democrat"

A lot of people on the Right think the Democratic Party is filled with Jews, Atheists, and Pagans (members of any other faith than Christianity, not the Wiccan kind).

[Demobrat]

12. Maybe they really believe it.

To me a Christian is somebody who lives by the golden rule. In the case of W, who has made "do unto others BEFORE they do unto you the rule of law, of course this doesn't apply, so to me he is no Christian. But Christian has become a code word for "person who hates and looks down on everybody who is not just like them", so I assume that that is what people mean when they call W a Christian man.

[Tigermoose]

13. My description of the Christian Man

"The biological male is but half of the Christian man. One is shepherded by chemical stimuli, the other Christ. One is but an evolved ape, the other but half of what he is to become."

IMHO, Bush is an ape who has learned to parrot rhetoric. He is a Pharisee. He is words and no substance, but unfortunately many Christians fail to look at the fruit of the tree to see if it is good. But, we live in a confusing time full of propaganda and the expert manipulation of rhetoric and spin, so please do not judge them too harshly -- or at all, because first we should all make sure our own views are perfect before lashing out at the inadequacies of others.

[pnb]

14. I don't know

Perhaps it means a man who is Christian?

[revcarol]

15. A 'Christian man' only beats his wife

with a stick no thicker than the thumb.

So tired of Christian being defined by a political agenda designed to repress, distort,and kill.

[Raenelle]

16. Christian = Republican. Christian man = someone who holds

Republican values. Christianity is a subset of Republicanism.
Whether they mean it or not, whether they know it or not, fundie Christian Churches function as Republican party fronts.

So, since the Republican party philosophy is "Hooray for me and screw you," Christianity has now been distorted to fit that philosophy. And since there are only two types of Republicans--the mean and the ignorant--well, the essence of a Christian man isn't something to be bragging on.

[robertarctor]

17. In three words:

"Gott mit uns."

[Az]

18. Promise Keepers

Its pretty straight code for the PK attitude of what a man should be.

[catmandu57]

33. Side note on promise keepers

They come to Kansas City every summer, in years past they rented out Arrowhead stadium which holds around 84,000. This year, they're doing their hatefest at Kemper arena which will seat 17,000.

[slackmaster]

20. Different perspective from a single (divorced) guy

When a woman says "I'm looking for a Christian man" she means she wants to have kids.

[EAMcClure]

22. What is a Christian Man?

This question reminds me of "Animal Farm": Some Christians are more Christian than others. I have no doubt that Bill Clinton was a practicing Christian... The only non-denominational Christian Presidents that I know of were John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson went so far as to edit the Gospels to weed out the "non-Christ" bits.

Bush is a Christian man to these people because he is a Born-Again Christian. That simple. He is excused for all sin because he has thrown his sin up into the air, and Christ will forgive all. This is the cloak of righteousness Bush always wears. In the end, Christ has forgiven him because he has trusted his immortal soul to Christ's care. If the born again Christian community does not turn a blind eye to Bush's mistakes, they are being un-Christian in their terms. This is the same teflon that Reagan wore.

Conversely, the born again community will not tolerate those who have not entrusted their immortal soul to Christ. Trust me, this community will believe everything bad said about you if you have not taken the fateful step to proclaim Christ as the only begotten son of God, whose blood will cleanse all sin.

Of course, Bush is not Christian. Bush is a worshipper of power and death. Bush revels in the Satanic. But many who belong to the born again community harbor the same predilections towards death... just look at the rapture... that they use a sexual term to define their exaltation while the sinners are burned and tortured for eternity is indicative of a pathological mindset.

Reccomended reading: "The Mass Psychology of Fascism," by Wilhelm Reich.

Eric

[ChickMagic]

26. Don't forget sanctification

Baptists and Methodists (some of them) believe that you can, through righteous living, achieve their version of enlightenment - sanctification. Basically, that means than you are incapable of sin. You can commit the most heinous acts imaginable, but if you're sanctified, you haven't sinned. I'm sure Chimpy's buddy Robertson (or Franklin Graham) told him he was sanctified.

Most honest Christians don't believe that you can achieve sanctification on earth - that's reserved for the hereafter. However, some find it politically expedient to claim sanctification here on earth for obvious reasons.

[Texican]

27. No Loyalt y to US

He will not take his oath to the Constitution seriously. He will only work to bring about some nutball superstitious plan. In other words, to hell with the US. He has been doing it ever since he took his lie of office.

[ChickMagic]

28. Do you think he believes what he says?

I mentioned sanctification in my previous post; Do you think he actually believes what he says because since he's sanctified he can supposedly no longer sin? THe little creep thinks that God talks to him, after all, so has he talked himself in believing all this claptrap?

[EAMcClure]

32. Sanctification is the "Divine Right of Kings"

Sanctification is an atavistic concept. Bush is not necessarily proclaiming himelf Pharaoh (compare Pharaoh to Fuhrer), but he is abusing cultural blind spots to his advantage.

Bush is not only a President, but a precedent. The most successful GOP Presidents in terms of the wielding of power, have been Reagan and Bush. Both of whom were born again and treated as sanctified.

There is a significant percentage of our population that believes these two men were emissaries of Christ's mission on Earth. They will trust them to the end, because to lose trust in them is to lose faith in Christ. There is no rational way to penetrate this blind spot.

The heartland cultivates this authoritarian/patriarchal/fanatic mindset in the family as a cultural unit. Children are reared at birth to devote themselves to their mother and fear their father.

Eric

[ChickMagic]

38. It seems that Chimpster thinks he is sanctified

Thank you, BTW, for the info about the Divine Right of Kings. Chimpy thinks God installed him in the WH in the person of Jeb and Scalia, he's said that he doesn't have to answer questions because he is "president" (he only gets to ask them), God talks to him directly (he's the prophet of the US of A), and I believe that he believes no matter what lies he tells, or atrocities he commits, he's still golden in the eyes of God because of his sanctification. Unfortunately, his rabid followers seem to believe the same thing.

OT: Robertson is praying for the demise or removal of 3 Supremes. Wasn't he praising those same Supremes when they installed Chimpy? I know, I know - hypocrisy rules.

[ewagner]

30. Good Post

Thanks.

[FlaGranny]

37. The devout born-again Christians I know,

including family members and some friends are extremely gullible when someone tells them they are born again. They'll totally believe those words, even when they normally have a healthy skepticism about almost everything else. It seems to be a mental defect that will not allow them to believe the words can be a lie. If you want to con a Christian, "I'm born again" are the right words to begin your spiel.

[southpaw]

25. Consider this...

If every American Citizen were presented with the following task:


Two people:

Bill Clinton and Pat Robertson.

One is a political extremist, the other is politically moderate. Which description best fits which person?


Do you doubt for one second that the majority would see Robertson as the moderate and Clinton as the extremist?

The people who love * because he is a "Christian man" see Pat Robertson in much the same light.

Unfortunately, spouting scripture and invoking God and sonny Jesus at every opportunity goes a long way with certain folk.

[opihimoimoi]

29. The Shrub cannot be what the Pysops guys want him to be

He is a liar, cheats and steals, therefore a very poor christian.

come, its time for group :puke:

[Pallas180]

31. means hes FAlwell's puppet.

:evilgrin:

[Corgigal]

34. Spooky story

how one man who was close to our family used the terms Christian Man and GOD fearing.
We had a foreign exchange student living with us for the school year. The Christian Man and his wife and child loved to come over to our house. Since the child was about the same age as ours we enjoyed the visits.
After awhile , slowly but surely this Christian Man started to show his true colors. The whole time he was with us, including the first time he actually went out with his child for Halloween, he was aiming for our foreign exchange student.

So when I hear those words, I think Con. They want you to believe, you can trust me because I believe in the Lord which is fine but when you have a need to announce you're a "Christian Man" you're trying to sell me something.

[SharonAnn]

49. What do you mean "aiming for"?

To seduce sexually, to seduce into his "religion", what?

I need more clues. Thanks. Sorry, but I'm a bit obtuse.

[wuushew]

35. More fuel for the fire

[Uzybone]

39. A "christian man" is a man

who talks well about Christ often but does nothing in his actions that resemble Christ in anyway.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

40. To a fundamentalist, "Christian"

means "fundamentalist," period.

[Lexingtonian]

43. The meaning is-

What the women mean is "the sort of man who would accept a dolt like me".

What the men labelled in this way are: the patriarchalists, materialists, opportunists, traditionalists, and nature theists, at bottom all non-Christians or pre-Christians.

[SharonAnn]

45. Well, * is a Christian Man so I guess he exemplifies what they are

and that's downright scary!

[maxanne]

47. in this case

It means he's a racist, a bigot, and a misogynist - who won't get caught getting a blow job from some bimbo in a blue dress. Who will speak piously and will break every commandment while doing so.

[Sweetpea]

48. Al Sharpton being a Christian man shouldn't have a problem

then......ha ha ha.....